Christie's problem is, it looks to me like some of these things have already occurred and that's how the Federal Prosecution and the federal investigation is going to go. They're going to go back and get things you cannot change. They're going to go back and get emails like we've already seen the legislature doing in New Jersey.
They're going to go back and talk to people and investigate their way forward and because they have so many resources, because they have many of the best and brightest and also because nothing can be changed to effect what's already been done, he's got some real issues if there is a single pay-to-play or can even look like pay-to-play instance that he was aware of and if this governor, if this Mayor is telling the truth, he's got some real legal problems.
R.K.: There's also the case of the Hurricane Sandy ad campaign that was not competitively sourced and it looked more like an ad for him and his family.
S.A.: Now this may be a little hyper-technical and I don't want to be too technical on this, but the reason that is important is one of the things, when you're talking about wire fraud and mail fraud, that the government has to prove, is that there was, honest services were not given and one of the ways in which you prove that these were not honest services is, was there a gain to the individual who did the fraud?
Well that's what the Feds are going to try to develop if they're investigation this. Was the use of these ad campaigns, was the use of these pictures of him a benefit to Christie that resulted from the fraud. If so then you can prove up honest services. In Blagojevich one of the ways they did this was they said his wife receives payments from one of the other alleged co-conspirators and that was the personal benefit that the family received. Here they also said in Blagojevich that him trying to get this senate seat was a personal benefit to him because it paid a thousand dollars more than the governor's salary.
If you recall, they said Blagojevich wanted to trade the pointing of a senator for him to get head of HHS, Health and Human Services. If the governor, if the President would appoint him to be Health and Human Services Director he would give the President anybody that the President wanted, in this case it was Valerie Jarrett the spot of appointed Senator. Well the government said and the judge allowed that that was a personal benefit to Blagojevich even though it wasn't money, even though it wasn't campaign funds, even though it wasn't money in his pocket like a traditional bribe, that benefit helped him.
Well here it very well may look like one of the benefits to Christie was that he is trying to run for President. He wants to go out here and do this, the ad campaign shows he and his family in a very positive light, and that was the benefit to cause him to commit these frauds and that's one of the things they're going to have to prove and that's one of the things that you can be certain the government is going to look at.
R.K.: Now, he's got the insulation of a crew of people surrounding him so that he may not have actually had sign off on anything personally. Does that protect him?