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JACQUELINE LUQMAN: This is another one of those issues where there's a little bit of truth, there's a little bit of fiction, and what is going on with this particular issue? Then Ryan, I want you to answer, are these comments from Biden just gaffes as the media is characterizing them, or are they an indication of something much more serious, not just for Biden but for the Democrats in 2020 in particular?
RYAN COOPER: Yeah, so I mean,, on the Corn Pop thing, I don't have a lot of super insightful stuff to know about it. I mean, poor Corn Pops, apparently he died a few years ago so we can never get the truth of the matter. Maybe somebody will go and try to investigate the local newspapers and so on. I think you're right that it appears to be a classic Biden thing where he takes something that was true, or a couple of different things and mixes them together and make it much more dramatic and interesting. It makes himself seem more of a hero. He did that with the Afghanistan veterans story.
But I guess on the gaffes question, there are a lot of different definitions of a gaffe. You have a gaffe where you just say something stupid, but there's also the Kinsley gaffe where you the truth without by accident. I don't think these comments particularly qualify because what they are is just evidence of someone whose mind appears to be in a parlous state. What it ought to bear on is the question of whether you really want to put up this guy against Trump. Because on the one hand Biden, he might not be able to handle a campaign. I mean, to speak seriously for a moment, this kind of dementia or senility, it can accelerate very quickly. I think a lot of people have seen that happen to their parents or grandparents, and he's a pretty old man.
Then secondly, this also takes away one of the biggest arguments against Trump, which is that he is also slowly losing his mind. And you and you can't really hit him on that to the same degree when you're going to nominate someone who has the same problem.
JACQUELINE LUQMAN: Or at least the same proclivities that look like the same problem. Even if we're talking about something that isn't diagnosed because as smart as we both are, neither one of us are actual doctors. So we can't diagnose these people, but it looks like they both have the same kind of cognition or at least connection challenges.
RYAN COOPER: Yeah. Yeah. I think you can't know for sure and it probably would be near impossible to get an honest diagnosis of this stuff. The power issue is so prevalent, but you can just look with the evidence of your eyes. Whether or not there is a diagnosable medical issue, it's troubling that Biden can't seem to make it through a three-hour debate without starting to just ramble incoherently, and the same thing with Trump. You want someone who, whether or not they have a medical issue in a diagnosable senseYou know, being president is hard and you need to be thinking a lot and thinking well. And to have someone who is just well past their prime, it's just not ideal.
JACQUELINE LUQMAN: So as much fun as we've had talking about Biden's unfortunate comments, this really is a very serious issue for the Democratic Party in 2020 as they continue to focus on him as their frontrunner, at least at this point. So Ryan, thank you so much for joining me to talk about this today.
RYAN COOPER: Thanks for having me.
JACQUELINE LUQMAN: And thank you for watching. This is Jacqueline Luqman with The Real News Network in Baltimore.