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Whether or not the President believes in climate change doesn't stop it from impacting every corner of the globe and each and every one of us. Our well-being, our future, and our planet are on the line. Our families and future generations will be the ones paying the price for inaction today. Trump doesn't care. That's why we all NEED to.


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I hope this little article of mine will prove to be somehow informative, to be used as practical strategy at many levels as we approach 2020.


The environmental crises are on going and not even partially subsiding, until we actually do many things to counter the to-date impervious shell of the corporate actions that are causing the Climate Disasters.


This means gutting and revamping several Federal agencies, starting with the Environmental Protection Agency, but that won't happen until after 2020.

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First of all, as a preface question and as a deeply sincere empirical observation: can we please cease and desist in using this pusillanimous mousy term, Climate Change, and call it like it is: "Climate Disaster Deniers"?


Stephen, I know. I have seen it said and I agree, the way so much of the warming news is presented is simply reticent/reserved. Aren't we supposed to be RINGING ALARM BELLS!!

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I ring alarm bells in my own way, as a journalist although my focus is more on the corporate abuses of the FDA, because those are medical and biochemical.


Until as of late, thanks to Bernie's conference, I am increasingly willing to ring these kinds of alarm bells, as well. Have you watched this video from the UK's Guardian?


'Continuation of civilisation is in your hands,' Attenborough tells world leaders and delegates at a UN climate summit: 'If we don't take action the collapse of our civilisations is near.'"



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I know you are are trying hard to ring alarm bells. I appreciate it, thank you. And David Attenborough in this video is doing his best too. He is telling the delegates it is in THEIR HANDS RIGHT NOW!!! DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW!!!

I am afraid that too many of the people who matter most are afraid of alarm bells clanging; alarm bells that to them clang of things like financial sacrifice and backlash from the other side. And there are no doubt those who still honestly, yet ignorantly, think that well, its not settled science ... aye yi yi yi yi.

Time is running out. Actually, I think time has already run out but, no harm continuing to try. It can't hurt.

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What, then, precisely, do you propose as significant further action?

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I'll answer that . . . talking to the climate deniers in terms they understand, will pay attention to, and reverse their loyalties.

Notice I didn't say 'reverse their thinking'. I said 'reverse their loyalties'. Because with most of them, thinking has nothing to do with determining their loyalties. Why is someone a White Sox fan and someone else a Baltimore Orioles fan? Because of deductive reasoning? Logic? Game theory?

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Why is someone a climate denier? Mostly because of the influence of vested corporate interests, in their lives, in their paychecks, and in their education.

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Stephen, have been following you sometime, sometimes observing differences.

You're not in AZ area, are you?

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You've stated the obvious and what forms the premise for what I'm proposing.

"Mostly because of the influence of vested corporate interests, in their lives, in their paychecks, and in their education."

Indeed, those influences in their lives create a loyalty to a world view and to both thought and political leadership, and very little of it is fact-based or arrived at rationally. The "paychecks" are especially pivotal. Which commends us to fashion climate change awareness in terms that those folks will understand and embrace.

We're not at odds here. I'm just taking what we agree on to a slightly different place. If you're interested in hearing more, please message me.

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OK. I guess we are coming to a collective state of consciousness about environment and climate disaster in which the (lack of) thinking is so pernicious, the dialogue breaks down and the corporations win. That is their goal after all.


And then, when we look at other nations, like Brazil ripping up the Amazon and planting Roundup soaked soybeans, so much so that women in those northeast states of Brazil wherein Roundup use is so prevalent, these women have Roundup in their breast milk in 83% of those sampled in maternity wards~~~my god. Sadly, this will be the legacy left to our grandchildren and great grandchildren....unless we work to correct these abuses strongly, as Bernie Sanders is doing consistently.


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This is a keynote address by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., at an EU conference, about Monsanto, Pesticides, and the Environment.



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"I guess we are coming to a collective state of consciousness about environment and climate disaster in which the (lack of) thinking is so pernicious, the dialogue breaks down and the corporations win."

I don't see the inevitability of a victory by the corporations. I see it as a lack of imagination and innovation on our part that we can't right now rebut the arguments of the deniers. Yes, we are currently losing the battle. But that's because we talk past people and don't engage them in terms they understand, using the -- from our point of view -- irrational shorthand most everyday citizens use to process complex issues.

I would recommend you take a copy of your article to the nearest mall, stand in a well-trafficked area, read it aloud and see how many people stop and listen, how many embrace your point of view, how long you last before they call security. Okay ... I'm being a little facetious here. But I'm making what I believe is a valid point. The left on every critical issue -- peace, human rights, the economy, environment, climate change -- constantly makes the same mistake. It uses a library to make a point when a well-crafted bumper sticker will do the job. Who has time to go to the library? Do they still have libraries in the U.S.? Or have they all been turned into casinos?




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I do what I believe to be appropriate, which is to write articles, and then I send them to decision makers, sometimes influencing them and sometimes not.


I have a full time 12 hour a day art gallery, so I won't be heading to the mall to read anything aloud. I might talk with some radio friends, and see about a discussion on the air.


In NM we take the climate and the environment as really important, and both of our Senators are rather serious environmentalist. One, Tom Udall, is the son of Stewart Udall, easily the most environmentalist of any Secretary of the Interior in American History. I had the privilege of knowing him and his wife, Lee, very well. I was influenced strongly by both.


Please watch this video:

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There's nothing in my comments which suggests you need to defend your admirable work and dedication, thus being defensive seems inappropriate.

You posted an article. I also post articles. I see them as invitations for a conversation, hopefully an exchange of ideas and creative thinking which builds constructively on what is offered in the article.

I'm only trying to add some hopefully useful perspective and throw out some ideas which might help our faltering fight for climate justice and rescuing the planet from destruction.

If I'm out of line and you're not interested in new ideas, I apologize for not being docile and mute. I clearly misunderstood the ground rules.

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There was no offense taken. I just clarified why I would not be going to the mall to read my treatises aloud. It is actually a very funny idea. I took it well, and I thank you for your comments. Some of the Facebook Climate Change groups have some really insane people, and even the most venomous here at OEN pale by comparison to the level of vitriol. Why indeed should this subject be so volatile? I truly don't understand.

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I recently had a horrifying experience on FB with an article I posted about Julian Assange. It really brought the crazies out. I feel your pain. Don't take it personally but recognize these people will kill you if given the right opportunity.

As to my "mall idea", I agree it's a funny image. But for me as someone who has deluded himself into thinking I can make a difference, it or something like it is a useful one. A couple years ago, frustrated that people weren't seeing how brilliant and insightful I was with my convoluted ideas, I started applying what I call the "regular guy" test. That is, I imagine being in a mall, at a truckstop, even at a church gathering, confronting everyday people, trying to explain some strategy, approach, my take on an issue. I realized I was blowing a lot of smoke and no one was inhaling -- at least a lot of folks I needed to reach weren't buying my ventriloquist act.

It's sobering and I think helpful to realize that you and I and the others here at OEN -- and the many sites where I get published -- are a tiny, tiny minority, almost a cult, living in a bubble that most people have no clue about or if they did would probably avoid it like they would a post-grad seminar on bloodletting in the Middle Ages. That's not to say that what we have to say and how we think is not relevant, admirable, or valuable. But it's only relevant, admirable, or valuable to US. To most folks, we might as well be speaking in ancient Sumerian. SO ... if I want to communicate with and hopefully engage these good people -- and we do need them for any kind of mass awareness and mass movement -- I need to figure out how to speak in language they can identify with. This means the types of examples, narratives, memes, messages that they think and speak in, not the erudite language of academics, or the in-crowd language of core activism.

I have adapted this lesson to all of my subsequent work. Now everybody hates me. The activists think I've betrayed them and the regular folks think I'm some phony faux-populist, Plato with tattoos and a Harley-Davidson. (Are you smiling?)

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I empathize with and I understand what you are saying, John Rachel, but my modus operandi is really quite different.


I publish articles here on a variety of subjects, and then I share them to relevant Facebook groups, some large and some with very narrow focuses, with sometimes great enthusiastic and encouraging reception, and sometimes torrents of foul expletives and with absolute confusion, as in, for example, saying that campaign contributions are the same as bribes.


I pointed out in that particular group that this 2018 cycle saw me donate a bit to a lot of candidates widely, and what I consider a lot to one. and that at no point did I think that I was influencing, buying, or bribing a candidate.


To no avail, so I concluded that many readers, perhaps even an increasing number of readers, are angry, self absorbed, my way or the high way, and don't confuse me with facts, my mind is already made up.


At this time I clearly recall Will Rogers statement that he was not the member of any organized party, because he was a Democrat.....


I encourage you to drop some of your articles into Facebook groups, and you wont think for ten seconds more that you are in any kind of bubble, idealistic or journalistic or any other kind of bubble.


Check this video out, please:



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"You posted an article. I also post articles. I see them as invitations for a conversation, hopefully an exchange of ideas and creative thinking which builds constructively on what is offered in the article."--John Rachel


Love that thought of looking to share ideas with conversation. Feel like been trying that with large family with no nothing in return, but a little return from others. Who knows where we could go if we could discuss simple solutions in a too complexed world?

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Great analogy! I think it is logic, emotional logic.

Interesting that you equate people's biases, desires, and mostly loyalties to sports. I have thought the same thing. Pick an issue today; abortion, race, global warming, immigration, republicans vs democrats, and almost whatever, people take the side they want to win and even more than that, they want the other side to lose. They treat it like the 7th game of a World Series; Yankees vs Dodgers. They hate one or the either and get their pleasure from seeing the other side lose.

It is like the Supreme Court justice recently nominated to be on the court for life. One side cared some whether or not he was qualified and deserved to sit on the court. But it also gnawed at them to think the other side might get what they want for no good reason. The other side? They would not even consider anything that would disqualify him. They just wanted to stuff it down the other's throats ... Yankees vs Dodgers.

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I don't know. Maybe to each his own. Each maybe can do what each thinks is significant for themselves. Maybe just living out their lives in the best way they can for themselves and their family and others. And like I said before there is nothing wrong in trying to do something. Maybe somebody will figure out a way to break through that unsightly mass of deniers. That might be a start.

I have thought about having a poll: If it has been proven that global warming will end it for all of us in 15 years, would you want to know? (Note, there are a few that know their stuff who think it could be more like 10 or maybe even fewer years.)

I know I am a downer on my saying this a fait accompli end-of-everything issue. But I am convinced it is over. But my being convinced does not mean I am right. And if that is the case, I am not the only one who is not right. I have read what some (how many?) climate scientists and the like have said; its over, we are done...

Meanwhile life goes on all around us with no clue.

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It happens ev'ry day.
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Before it's taken away.
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Hi, Dave, good mornin' and grwetings of season.

I'm sorta hanging on.

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David, I guess youwere thinking of the Roman poet Horace who said in latin

"Carpe diem!"

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Hi Nels! Good to hear from you. You are "sorta" hanging on. Sounds like things could be better; hope they do get better.

"Carpe diem!" :). You read the words I cited. A good song I think.

I know, or I should say knew, the term. But I had to look it up. Carpe diem. Perfect. You are right, that is what I was thinking.

The words I thought fit the discussion really well.

Thanks for refreshing my memory. You should refresh it more often, my memory would appreciate it.

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Here is an interesting look at when Shell admitted that the production of oil and natural gas was leading to global climate change:

click here

Big Oil has, for decades, known the repercussions of its business model.

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Disappointing that the article is entirely about defeating opponents politically and not at all about beating them "at their on game", which I assumed was going to be the presentation of factual arguments. For example, not only are there more than 900 polar bears left but their numbers have more than doubled since the 1960's. While carbon dioxide has steadily risen since the 1960's, global temperatures have sometimes gone down, other times gone up, and over the past 40 years have risen only 0.2 C. So where is this warming that needs to be fought at the price of all modern advances? A brief history of climate change moral panics. click here click here

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Maybe that first sentence in your comment is how YOU see it.


I could have chosen different descriptive words, but the story itself would not have changed. It is a narrative, and one intended to be instructive and strategic, so that people don't sit around and mope about how powerless they thought they were....


I stand corrected on the polar bear population. Not sure where I found the prior amount, but I have inserted what I believe to be an accurate count of the polar bears in the Arctic, and I thank you for bringing the error to my attention.


One video is worth a million words:



Heart-Wrenching Video: Starving Polar Bear on Iceless Land | National Geographic This is what climate change looks like. This starving polar bear was spotted by National Geographic photographer Paul Nicklen on Somerset Island.
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As per request on your bio, it appears you are unfamiliar with the recent IPCC report, backed by over 300 scientists, that has freaked out millions of people who pay attention to these things. Even that is profoundly conservative according to bona fide climatologists who are able and willing to speak their observations and genuine feelings about their work. Anyone halfway attuned to nature and/or watching news from around the world is well aware how far down the road we are. Abrupt climate change has already killed untold tens and probably hundreds of thousands of people and is taking out habitat around the globe at lightning speed. Farmers around the world, who pay attention to climate for a living, know this well and many have given up. Extinction of life on earth is well underway and there are no known solutions to prevent it. Anyone who doesn't realize this gets an F- on their ideas.

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More food for thought click here

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The term "climate crisis", at the very least, would be an honest one.

I'm certainly in favour of pushing aside all the euphemisms we're constantly subjected to every day. George Carlin says it best...

.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc

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Wow, I too depend on comedians who create their effect with hyperbole and exaggerated contrast, to inform my understanding of reality.

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So, what you're saying is you're depending on your own sense of overpowering sarcasm to shield you from understanding the comment. Nice way to understand reality, Don! (As usual.)

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"Wow, I too depend on comedians who create their effect with hyperbole and exaggerated contrast, to inform my understanding of reality."


It is good to know you do but I know DA doesn't. You say you do depend on comedians and their stuff. DA does not depend on that like you do. He knows his stuff from lots of places. Humour done correctly can be so very good at pointing out what is the real deal about many things including what is the real deal about things like the global warming disaster that is well underway. Don, do not confine yourself to the comedian box. You need to open your field of vision and read and listen to what others say and think that do not agree with you. I don't mean to be critical. I am not saying it disrespectfully. But that is what I think.

By the way, I do know you were joking when you said "I too depend ..."

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Thank you for your comment.


The "climate crisis" was ten years ago. I deem it to be more accurately described as a "climate disaster." I published the article as an instructive narrative for those who don't want to sit around and mope in their perceived powerlessness.


Inevitably, those who like to banter semantics around will materialize.



World needs to make near-revolutionary change to avoid imminent climate disaster. Is there hope? Unless we immediately reduce the burning of coal and oil and gas that drive up global temperatures, a new UN report warns the world will suffer tremendous ...
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I definitely agree, even the term "crisis" just doesn't cut it anymore. You'll get no argument from me on that.

And, you're right, there IS a collective sense of powerlessness gripping "ordinary" people (me included, of course). I guess the question is, "Is there a way, in this completely corporately-captured world, to cut our support from those who thrive on causing disaster, or are we, in fact, totally surrounded, to point of no escape?"

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Great video, words do matter. "Near term planetary extinction" is yet more honest.

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"Near Term Planetary Extinction" ~~~~ excellent.


I will, however, prefer to stick with "Disaster," if and when I write about this again.


Normally, my main focus is on the on going biochemical and medical disasters that await the further ruination and manipulation of the FDA by the very corporations it is supposed to regulate.


I think some big breakthroughs are coming in that department, but I don't want to tip my hand in this vital context.


See my article of a few months ago, please:


How Many Innocent and Unsuspecting People in 2019 Will Die Because of the FDA's Revolving Doors?


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How Patent Manipulation by Drug Companies Endangers Lives By exploiting the patent system to keep generic drugs off the market, Big Pharma makes lifesaving medicines unaffordable to many in need. Tahir Amin ...
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It certainly seems more appropriate.

But, like George says, we're constantly adding more syllables, which seems to "soften the blow". ("Shell Shock" became "Battle Fatigue", then "Operational Exhaustion", then arriving at the present "Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder".) :)

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Thanks for the post, DA! I enjoyed laughing for a change!

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Just to start. I think that we need to be aware. But, if you write an article to arm people against deniers,if you exaggerate you undercut your argument. There are not 900 polar bears. ticwwf.org/species/polar-bear/population/ In 2017, tere are 22,000 to 31,000. One population is decreasing, two are increasing, 7 are stable, and the rest are unknown. The article also said if IPCC predictions are correct the loss of sea ice will result in a 30% loss by 2050. And the predictions of the IPCC are what the denier are questioning. Your exaggeration does none any service. Now I'll go read the second paragraph.

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Yes, that was an error. That erroneous number of polar bears came from, my misinterpretation of a current NY Times article (link below). I corrected it after the first comment to that effect.


That came from this article, which referred to 900 polar bears in a particular area, the Arctic Wildlife Refuge:


Drilling in the Arctic: Questions for a Polar Bear Expert

The Trump administration is reversing a longstanding ban on oil exploration on the coastal plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. The area is home to about 900 polar bears, which are already struggling because of climate change. Can they withstand another disruption?


Here: click here


My intent in writing the article still remains. In New Mexico, to have a corporate pleasing climate change denier in power as a Cabinet Secretary, despite his otherwise illustrious credentials, could have become a real disaster.


The key position in our state re: fracking is that of the Commissioner of Public Lands. Fortunately, we have one who just won in a state wide Democrat sweep of all of the top offices, including Governor, Senator, and 3 Congress positions, a Public Lands Commissioner who will never support fracking.

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Maybe this is easier to read:


Drilling in the Arctic: Questions for a Polar Bear Expert


The Trump administration is reversing a longstanding ban on oil exploration on the coastal plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. The area is home to about 900 polar bears, which are already struggling because of climate change. Can they withstand another disruption?


Polar bears fight for survival as sea ice melts Polar bears fight for survival as sea ice melts Subscribe to the Guardian HERE: bitly.com/UvkFpD As winter approaches, polar bears in sub-arctic Canada ...
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You might want to watch this for a broader perspective click here from a serious climatologist, as far as I know the main one studying Arctic ice for over four decades.

As for the World Wildlife Fund, I suggest a closer look, particularly at who their backers are click here

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Dan, Can you elaborate, please? about their backers. Thank you.

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This is a quick copy and paste from the link above:

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Here are some direct quotes to whet your appetite:

  • "Over the years, the WWF has received a total of $120 million from the United States Agency for International Development (USAID)."
  • "Companies pay seven-figure fees for the privilege of using the [WWF] logo [on their products]."
  • "In Sumatra, members of a tribal group reported how troops hired by WWF partner Wilmar had destroyed their houses""
  • "The Dutch section of WWF helped pay for Greenpeace's flagship, the Rainbow Warrior."
  • "Experts estimate that in Africa alone, conservation efforts have created 14 million 'conservation refugees'""
  • "Ruswantu takes affluent eco-tourists on tours of the park on the backs of tamed elephants. The area is off-limits for the locals"'The WWF is in charge here"'"
  • "'Sustainable palm oil, as the WWF promises with its RSPO certificates, is really nonexistent,' [a former WWF employee] says."
  • "[leftist activist target] Monsanto"has donated $100,000 to the WWF over the years""
  • "The [German branch of the WWF] even paid the travel expenses for representatives of the Argentine branch of the WWF, which was long run by a man with ties to the former military junta""

  • -------------------------------
  • This isn't of terrible interest to me, given what I've seen of funding of other "green groups" over the decades, or I'd search the site closer. But I trust this gets to the point. I've been a member of the Sierra Club (used to do their Uinta newsletter back in the seventies), was spokesperson for the Audubon Club, appeared at countless hearings on energy and environment, and fifty years later see the problems as exponentially multiplied. Lived off the grid from 1983 to 1997, built solar airships, built and wrote about solar greenhouses underground, and the list goes on with much in my bio.


    I still applaud even small efforts, but see too large an avalanche, or avalanches, coming at us full bore. Trying hard to keep myself mentally sane, and will post an article on that soon, maybe later today. Dan


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    Al Gore and company inconveniently named it "Global Warming." Deniers, like you, latched on to this term like your blanky, and keep it close with all the fossil-fuel sucking toys that you cannot stand to part with, even if it means disaster. "You can have my oil-sucker when you pry it from my cold dead fingers." "Facts" you say? Here's one. Climate Disaster Deniers are ignorant, because they have chosen to be.

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    "Deniers, like you..."

    Who the hell are you talking to??

    You started a new string, which implies you're responding to the AUTHOR. Stephen Fox is no denier. He's writing ABOUT a denier.

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    David Rempel, not the author.


    Sorry for the confusion.



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    Thank you. That one baffled me, as well.

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    Figured it had to be an "allocation error" of some kind. Schmitt obviously deserves the scorn. Just wanted to make sure you weren't being labeled "guilty by association" by simply writing about him. No surprise that Rempel's his fan-boy.

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    After defeating a rather corrupt and frequently inebriated patron US Senator (Joseph Montoya),Harrison was early on a somewhat likable guy and anyone would have to be awed by his intellectual prowess, but the last time I spoke with him in person was in 1981 when he was still a Senator. But after leaving the Senate, and being paid to step behind a podium and say the stuff he did in various contexts, he was not so likable nor so believable.


    He described walking on the moon as like walking "on an infinite giant trampoline."

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    When Earth becomes a second Venus, they will die with the rest of us.

    Hopefully screaming!

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    Amen to that, but hopefully not in my lifetime. This will be the fierce reality faced by our grandchildren and great grandchildren.

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    The smart money says 10 to 20 years. I have a strong feeling it's coming much sooner.

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    One aspect of the climate disaster getting short shrift including from Sanders is the US military is the biggest user of fossil fuels on the planet.


    If you're not calling out the war machine, you can't be considered serious in addressing climate disaster. We can't let any politician off the hook on this.

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    I agree. Have you written to Bernie about this? Have you considered writing a new article on this worthy subject? OpEd Pieces on the editorial pages of the newspapers in which politician's jurisdiction/district would help. I am swamped with work, but I encourage you to try it. Which Senator is the most egregious in ignoring what you speak of?

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    Lois, I keep forgetting. But you are right. The military is fighting wars on multiple fronts; fronts in the middle east and the front below their feet ... the globe...

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    I agree, Lois. I was a rabid Bernie supporter in the 2016 campaign. And I was appalled when he capitulated at the convention, leaving his delegates shocked, angry, and confused, and never revealed what the specific coup de grace was. If Eisenhower had lost the war in Europe could he have become President? Why would anybody vote for a loser...especially one who capitulated so easily and so completely without exposing the obvious raw power play that defeated him?

    And may I add this: Elizabeth Warren is just as guilty because she remained uncommitted until late and then did what NO REAL PROGRESSIVE would do--she cast her support to Hillary.

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    So I guess you don't like anybody at all for the Democratic nomination, since they have to be perfect, eh, Jerry?

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    Maybe a tad more perfect than Bernie or Liz.

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    I'd like to see much more attention given to getting the power brokers ousted from the Party and a reestablishment of a Party of and for the people.

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    Thanks for your writing.

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    This was a potent article to add to the mix of comments.

    Given that the one-world-government schemers want a radically reduced global population--under total control and surveillance, doesn't this entire argument begin to make sense? Isn't there a big picture emerging?

    Climate collapse=economic collapse=food, water, power collapse.

    Deny it, ignore it, but spend millions preparing for it.

    Bunkers for the big sh*ts.

    Military police/FEMA coffins and camps/dead people/terrified fighting people/armed people/the ultimate divide and conquer.

    Domestic drones for crowd control/5G microwave towers every 500 ft, inspired by DARPA/weather manipulation by HAARP/...ad nauseum.

    ps. NYPD just got 18 new drones. "But they're not going to be weaponized or used for surveillance. Uh-huh.

    Why does the little tiny town next to mine have a military tank in their police yard? Hmm.



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    I try to stay focused on Native American wisdom of living one with Mother Earth our only home. They also had much in common with John Lennon's Imagine a brotherhood of mankind learning to share this melting pot that we all are flying back home on. And always bring up the good green jobs we could get by letting farmers grow hemp, for the paper, plastics, textiles and bio-fuel we could produce from the industrial male hemp plant. That could help end our Middle East imperial wars.

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