Rob Kall : So you start your book with an introduction which is the same as the title, Corporate Psychopaths as Organization Destroyers. What do you mean by organization destroyers?
Clive Boddy : Well just as it sounds basically. What I've done is research the effect they have on other employees, and on the organizations that employ them. By using a psychopathic measure to indentify their presence in organizations, and them looking at companies where they're present compared to where they're not present. And all the key indicators that I've look at so far increase in their presence. So conflict and bullying go up enormously, work load goes up slightly, counterproductive work behavior goes up, because people take revenge against what they see as the bad behavior of the company, in the form of their psychopathic manager.
Employee emotional well being goes down, so they don't feel like they are cared for by the company, and they don't feel as if they fit in there because of the actions of their psychopathic manager again. Perceptions of organizational justice and ethics, and management credibility and trustworthy all go down in their presence because of their orientation is towards themselves rather than towards the company. It's toward themselves rather than towards other employees. And it's towards themselves rather than towards the customers. So the customers get neglected, the employees get neglected, and the company itself gets neglected. That's one way they have a destructive effect on the organization that employees them. So it's a long term series of gradually, increasingly bad organizational outcomes, which ultimately, I think, will probably result in the disintegration of the company.
Rob Kall : And there has been other research, I think it's Kiel , that's done some research on this, that's shown that internal assets, for one, is much less when a psychopath runs the company.
Clive Boddy : I haven't actually heard of that piece of research and I usually try and keep up to date on everything that's published on psychopaths.
Rob Kall : I'm not sure if that's exactly right, but I'm pretty sure that's along the lines of what he came up with, he apparently asked a lot employees to describe characteristics of their bosses, and the ones that had characteristics that made them look like psychopaths, had that result. It kind of makes sense if you're destroying the company, that it's going to make less money or lose money though.
Clive Boddy : It makes perfect sense, I'll have to look up that piece of research, Kyle you say?
Rob Kall : I'll send you the link to it when we're done. And it'll be on the page for the podcast as well.