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C.R.: Well we can't, we don't know where we met him because none of us are familiar with Moscow but the people, you know the representatives of the Sam Adam Associates for Integrity in Intelligence were myself, Ray McGovern, Tom Drake who was a former NSA Whistle Blower himself, and Jess Radick who is an attorney, I think she is in charge of National Security and Human Rights area at the Government Accountability Project and she herself was actually a Department of Justice Whistle Blower in regard to the American Taliban who was deprived of right to counsel.  


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R.K: Our listeners will recognize all of them because they've all been on this radio show

C.R.: Yep and thank you very much - 

R.K.: God bless you

C.R.: by the way.  Our Whistle Blowers have limited mechanisms many times for talking and getting out the, and this is the problem: if we had better mechanisms inside government, if these attorney, inspector general mechanisms for instance, if it actually was viable and worked, Tom Drake's history is a prime example of how it doesn't work because he actually was going through the proper channels and disclosing fraud, waste, and abuse to Inspector Generals, both at the pentagon and the NSA, he actually also was a witness to the 9/11 Commission and the inquiries, the earlier Joint Intelligence inquiries about NSA, gaps, and cover-ups about what they knew before 9/11.  

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Nobody knows any of this of course because guess what, those internal channels, if it is some piece of information that  that they want to keep covered up, they never see the light of day.  People don't even know it, what Thomas Drake told the Joint Intelligence Committee about 9/11 because it was - 

R.K: Well I actually have Thomas coming on the show in another week or two - 

C.R.: Oh great!  Well - 

R.K.: Let's stay focused for now on the visit to Moscow, okay?  We'll get in to other stuff after that -

C.R.: Okay

R.K: but I want to kind of focus the lens here a little sharper.  So you basically arrived in Sheremetyevo Airport in Moscow and you got whisked away somewhere and you don't know where - 

C.R.: We actually were not afraid ourselves; in terms of security, Edward Snowden does have to be careful and there's a lot of reasons for that because even though he's in probably one of the -- if not the safest country, there are still ways.  I mean, the United States has covert agents and certainly they can pay off informants and all kinds of things, so he does have to be careful and use a lot of caution with regards to his travels.  However, we - 

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R.K.: Did he talk about that?  Did he talk about his concerns about his safety?

C.R.: No, not so much.  He, of course has realized this from the start.  This was no surprise to him and he is actually very thankful and grateful for being given one year of temporary; it's not permanent ye,t but he's got this one year of asylum in Russia.  So he's extremely grateful for that and as far as we could see of course he's safe because he is, he's safe in Russia right now.  But - 

R.K: That's good.

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind. Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big) to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project.

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