Send a Tweet
Most Popular Choices
Share on Facebook 25 Share on Twitter 2 Printer Friendly Page More Sharing
Exclusive to OpEdNews:
OpEdNews Op Eds    H4'ed 9/4/19

The Pentagon on 9/11: 2019 Brings Closure to the Ongoing Controversy

By       (Page 2 of 2 pages) Become a premium member to see this article and all articles as one long page.     (# of views)   328 comments
Author 511086
Message Wayne Coste
Correcting Previous Flawed Conclusions

Following the presentations given at the Conference, it is unfortunate that some of the most respected authors and documentarians regarding the events of 9/11 have remained silent - neither pointing out errors nor acknowledging the depth of the evidence for a large plane impact. Some of these researchers, including David Ray Griffin, were lauded for their meticulous attention to detail on other aspects of 9/11. Their dismissing a large plane impact at the Pentagon helped derail the quest for a new 9/11 investigation. It is hoped that these researchers and documentarians will have the integrity to correct the stain of their flawed conclusions about the Pentagon from their legacy.

Next Page  1  |  2

 

Must Read 1   Well Said 1   Funny 1  
Rate It | View Ratings

Wayne Coste Social Media Pages: Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in       Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in       Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in       Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in

Licensed Professional Engineer dealing with energy issues. Active in promoting the ethics of the engineering profession by calling on ASCE to retract the papers by Bazant et al they have published (and continue to stand by - in contradiction to (more...)
 

Go To Commenting
The views expressed herein are the sole responsibility of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of this website or its editors.
Writers Guidelines
Contact AuthorContact Author Contact EditorContact Editor Author PageView Authors' Articles
Support OpEdNews

OpEdNews depends upon can't survive without your help.

If you value this article and the work of OpEdNews, please either Donate or Purchase a premium membership.

STAY IN THE KNOW
If you've enjoyed this, sign up for our daily or weekly newsletter to get lots of great progressive content.
Daily Weekly     OpEdNews Newsletter
Name
Email
   (Opens new browser window)
 

Most Popular Articles by this Author:     (View All Most Popular Articles by this Author)

The Pentagon on 9/11: 2019 Brings Closure to the Ongoing Controversy

Answering the 9/11 Consensus Panel Challenge: "Explanation of the Evidence at the Pentagon on 9/11"

Why "Russiagate" Still has Legs; How Misinformation Propagates

Comments Image Post Article Comment and Rate This Article

These discussions are not moderated. We rely on users to police themselves, and flag inappropriate comments and behavior. In accordance with our Guidelines and Policies, we reserve the right to remove any post at any time for any reason, and will restrict access of registered users who repeatedly violate our terms.

  • OpEdNews welcomes lively, CIVIL discourse. Personal attacks and/or hate speech are not tolerated and may result in banning.
  • Comments should relate to the content above. Irrelevant, off-topic comments are a distraction, and will be removed.
  • By submitting this comment, you agree to all OpEdNews rules, guidelines and policies.
          

Comment Here:   



You can enter 2000 characters. To remove limit, please click here.
Please login or register. Afterwards, your comment will be published.
 
Username
Password

Forgot your password? Click here and we will send an email to the address you used when you registered.
First Name
Last Name

I am at least 16 years of age
(make sure username & password are filled in. Note that username must be an email address.)

21 people are discussing this page, with 328 comments  Post Comment

Maxwell

Become a Fan
Author 4952

(Member since Feb 15, 2007), 2 fans, 4144 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


  New Content

But even accepting the large plane impact hypothesis does not explain the nearly impossible flight path--certainly given the skill level demonstrated by the alleged hijacker-pilot. So stipulating the large plane impact does far from bringing "closure".

I prefer to concentrate on the things I can say with near certainty:

1. The nearly symmetrical and essentially instantaneous collapse of one building--let alone three--due solely to asymmetrical structural damage and fires, while maybe not quite impossible, is so improbable as to be essentially impossible--especially given nothing of the kind has ever happened before or since except where pre-planted explosives were involved.

2. A successful to any degree attack on the Washington DC air space and, in particular, headquarters of the world's most powerful military, almost certainly involved people at high levels of the federal government.

Issues like what projectile actually hit the Pentagon and how it was accomplished (Missile? Remote control? Dumb luck?) involve a higher degree of speculation and are less important.

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 5:21:23 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (8+)
Help
 
Indent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Maxwell:   New Content

I agree with the points of evidence that you concentrate on:

The just released report by Dr. Husley about the destruction of WTC7 shows conclusively that the NIST report is fraudulent in its claim about fire and thermal expansion causing the building's destruction.

Your comment about the air "defense" around Washington is also very appropriate because of the fighters being sent out over the Atlantic Ocean -- away fro the Pentagon.

Regarding what hit the Pentagon, the physical damage can only be explained by a large plane impact. I've been asking proponents of other stories for three years for what damage they know of that was caused by explosives. No explosive damage that can't be explained by a momentum impact has been shown to me.

Here is a 30 minute overview.
.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb_5WdUhQgI

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:00:13 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 

911TRUTH

Become a Fan
Author 15356

(Member since Apr 29, 2008), 28 fans, 2694 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


  New Content

All it would take for people to learn that the official story of 9/11 is a work of fiction is to look at the overwhelming evidence with an open mind and a new set of eyes.

But they won't because they don't want to be labeled a 'crazy conspiracy theorist.'

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 5:26:41 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (7+)
Help
 

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


  New Content

Closure?! I don't think so.

For a half-hour after the impact at the Pentagon, the structure stood fairly intact, save for a "hole" that obviously wasn't big enough to push the fuselage of a jet plane through. The majority of the windows didn't even break.

At the same time, there were no large plane components outside the building (such as a wing, a tail section, an engine, bodies).

Are people trying to imply a 757 virtually "slid under" the first floor, completely intact?!? (This, while leaving the lawn virtually untouched?!)

The few plane parts they're trying to say were found don't realistically account for a crash of a large plane. These "plane parts" don't even seem to all belong to one plane or even one type of plane. Like the stuff "found" on Murray Street and "between two buildings", it's all questionable beyond belief where any of it really came from.

It's bizarre that we're supposed to believe, in 4 separate incidents in one day, supposedly involving "commercial jets", that all 4 planes and their passengers and all else just "vanished" on impact, leaving no decipherable debris whatsoever at the points of impact. Not even a visible fragment of a corpse.

No clearly-thinking human being would accept this nonsense.

One of the most obvious things about the Pentagon was that the damage was concentrated at one circular area about 16 feet wide, until a collapse happened a half-hour later.

A large plane couldn't have broken through the undamaged wall, and a large plane wasn't evident outside or anywhere before, during or after the collapse. One of 4 "vanishing planes" that day.

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 5:54:03 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (6+)
Help
 
Indent

nelswight

Become a Fan
Author 2581

(Member since Sep 3, 2006), 515 comments
Not paid member and Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Devil's Advocate:   New Content

i don't know whether I misunderstand, question Mr. Coste's veracity or knowledge,

and don't accept the official tale, but I can't accept the fact that a 757 aircraft

created this scene. I follow your lead once more, D.A. - good thinking.

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 9:40:12 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (7+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to nelswight:   New Content

It's not that I question his knowledge or veracity. But, I certainly will question his motives.

I question anyone's motives for writing something that supports a completely impossible narrative, while offering no real explanation for how it was supposed to be possible at the same time.

The government has put out a lot of incredible nonsense about 9/11, and has never offered anything to actually back up any of its claims (why is that?, I wonder). In other words, the "official story" is more of an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory than what anyone else is offering.

On 9/11, everyone was basically told to discard a number of physical laws, along with logic itself. Simply because they told you to.

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 10:15:50 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (7+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndent

nelswight

Become a Fan
Author 2581

(Member since Sep 3, 2006), 515 comments
Not paid member and Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Devil's Advocate:   New Content

Gosh, D.A., I'm getting some awful sick of trous de cul spitting out so much bull manure beyond the capacity of most of us to swallow. I realize they're spewing

from somewhere else, perhaps a place where financial reward is supplied, or conscience-driven; there had to have been thousands involved.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 11:38:21 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (2+)
Help
 
Indent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Devil's Advocate:   New Content

Regarding the "hole too small" comment, please look at the masthead image (Composite image of the facade) where the first floor wall is missing for about 100 feet. The opening is about 12 feet high and most of the structural parts fit into this opening. Only the top of the plane (near the overhead luggage racks) impacted the second floor at the large opening.

The impact damage is described in a short 30 minute summary video - or a longer series narrated by David Chandler. You can see it at this location:

speakout.org/wayne-coste/

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:06:36 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Wayne Coste:   New Content

Wow! You really are trying to say the whole plane just "slipped inside the building, aren't you?!

You can supply all the video you want. You can't tell me a large plane (such as a 757) would've crawled into that slit - wings, tail, engines and all. That is much of the problem I just finished describing above.

The plane is far bigger than you're giving it credit. Regardless of that "opening", in any crash scenario, most of the plane should've been seen outside the building, in several pieces. Much reality is being ignored here.

For anyone interested, these are the basic dimensions of a 757:

wingspan = 124 ft 10 in
total length = 155 ft 3 in
tail span = 49 ft 11 in
tail height = 44 ft 6 in

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:43:06 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (4+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Devil's Advocate:   New Content

The projection of the plane onto the Pentagon facade can be seen in the photograph below. The location of the left wing is determined by the bent and bowed column 9AA and the location of the right wing is established by the bashed-in columns 18 and 19 on the second floor.


(Image by Unknown Owner) Details DMCA

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 2:14:17 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 

Bob Stuart

Become a Fan
Author 26603

(Member since Nov 19, 2008), 3 fans, 1 articles, 543 comments
Not paid member and Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


  New Content

Those walls were built to withstand heavy artillery. I can't begin to imagine the light structure of an airliner punching a hole in that, and then staying together to suck its heavy engines in after it. Those things are designed to just barely stay on in a heavy landing. It would be a major challenge to even fly an aircraft designed to make one hole, using two wing engines, it would take so much extra structure for those impact forces.

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 7:08:11 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (7+)
Help
 
Indent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Bob Stuart:   New Content

That is one of those "inconvenient" facts that gets tossed out the window all the time on this subject. Very few planes (none of which are commercial jets) could ever hope to "penetrate" a building, let alone stay intact enough to end up inside that building.

We've got all these supposed "experts" trying to tell us that a plane can be both formidable enough to penetrate a building, and delicate enough to completely vaporize at the same time.

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 10:22:31 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (8+)
Help
 
Indent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Bob Stuart:   New Content

Your comments show how much misinformation there is about the event at the Pentagon and the building's design.

The exterior E-Ring wall was actually not very strong. The new windows were "blast resistant" to prevent shattering and glass becoming projectiles that would kill and injure the occupants.

There were held in place by 4" square steel tubes (1/8" thick) and bolted to through the floors. These bolts were the weak link --and once they failed, there was very little to stop the plane from entering the structure.

The construction of this wall is discussed in Chapter 4 of my lecture:
.youtube.com/watch?v=CBWCukkeOWU


Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:14:03 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Wayne Coste:   New Content

Yes, much disinformation all around. Starting with the idea that these planes are strong enough to withstand hitting ANY building at flight speeds*. Continuing with the idea these planes could continue after such an impact to completely penetrate ANY building.

Adding fuel to the fire (no pun intended), is the idea that the plane can then basically vaporize, leaving little or no physical components behind to show for.

*Physical laws state that hitting a building at 500mph would result in the same damage to the plane as hitting a stationary plane with a building traveling at 500mph. Think about it!

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 12:04:11 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (4+)
Help
 

Aleksandar Sarovic

Become a Fan
Author 513600
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since May 24, 2019), 14 articles, 237 comments
Facebook Page Twitter Page Linked In Page Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


  New Content

This is what happened. Hundreds of eyewitness are corrupted liars? There is enough evidence that the plane hit the Pentagon. I cannot get why people still like to believe in nonsense.

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 7:37:39 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
Indent

nelswight

Become a Fan
Author 2581

(Member since Sep 3, 2006), 515 comments
Not paid member and Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Aleksandar Sarovic:   New Content

And, Aleksandar, it seems difficult for me to accept your NONSENSE. Sorry!

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 9:42:52 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (6+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

David Watts

Become a Fan
Author 10429

(Member since Jan 31, 2008), 13 fans, 19 articles, 26 quicklinks, 2249 comments, 27 diaries
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to nelswight:   New Content

Nels, I like the way you think. Keep on thinking. You are very good at it. I have learned a thing or two from you. :)

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 1:01:21 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (4+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

David Watts

Become a Fan
Author 10429

(Member since Jan 31, 2008), 13 fans, 19 articles, 26 quicklinks, 2249 comments, 27 diaries
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to nelswight:   New Content

Nels, Aleksandar did his own investigation into 9/11. Maybe ask him why he came up with no evidence of explosives and explosions in the demolition of the three buildings in NYC despite the fact there is so much evidence that is easy to find. I have asked him before but he did not answer me. Maybe he will answer you. Actually, don't ask him. He will see what I said and maybe he will respond this time.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 1:14:46 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (3+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to David Watts:   New Content

"...maybe he will respond this time."

Well, maybe next time. Ya never know. ;)

Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 5:15:40 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (2+)
Help
 
Indent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Aleksandar Sarovic:   New Content

Show me one credible "eyewitness" that ever attested to seeing an actual airliner crash into the Pentagon. I've seen a few such testimonies, but they all turned out to be proven fraudulent.

The DOD or the FBI could've settled this for everyone 18 years ago, as they surely have video from multiple vantage points (along with what they confiscated from private businesses in the vicinity). So far, all you've got are the infamous "5 frames", which tell you nothing, and certainly don't depict an aircraft of any significant size.

The supposed lack of video, and the fact that they seized everyone else's, is all very telling. If they ever do release any video at this point, they've now had time to create whatever they need to convey whatever narrative they choose anyway.

To accept an improbable story from mainstream news or some government agency, without proper proof, is where the real nonsense starts.

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 9:48:12 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (7+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Devil's Advocate:   New Content

Devil:

All alternatives stories (alternative to a large plane impact) about what happened at the Pentagon require explosives to do the damage. In five years of looking at the building, listening to accounts, reading accounts, studying photos and videos, I cant find any evidence that can only be explained by explosives.

What do you know about damage caused by explosives.

There is lots of detail in the two parking gate security cameras. You may not know, but the speed of the approaching plane can be determined to be approximately 542 mph based on the timing difference and the distance moved between frames.

You can see that analysis in Chapter 11:
.youtube.com/watch?v=SunhDlCMJJc

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:22:25 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Wayne Coste:   New Content

If this was supposed to be a 757, then a ground speed of 542mph would not have been possible. The air is too dense at that level to allow the plane to travel that fast without breaking apart. Another physical law being ignored.

What you don't see in the "5 frames" is a plane. That means these frames don't present anything of any real value. I'm sure the people that put out those frames are having a good laugh at how much imagination is being summoned up by so many, in order to find something useful in them.

The rest of what you're asking seems to imply that I'm advocating for some "explosives only" theory. Nothing I've said even goes there. All I'm saying is a commercial jet (or similar) didn't hit the Pentagon.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 12:23:04 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (4+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Devil's Advocate:   New Content

The security camera images of the plane (FOIA released images are much clearer than the YouTube video-rendered ones) are only one of the physical / photographic pieces of evidence along the approach path. This image shows eight data points that are all consistent with the presences of a large aircraft with the dimensions of a 757


(Image by Unknown Owner) Details DMCA
.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 2:23:51 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

Aleksandar Sarovic

Become a Fan
Author 513600
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since May 24, 2019), 14 articles, 237 comments
Facebook Page Twitter Page Linked In Page Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Devil's Advocate:   New Content

At the bottom of the first post are eyewitnesses. Again they are here http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html

Jeffrey Hill, an ordinary person frustrated by false statements about the destruction of the Pentagon, conducted his own research nine years after the incident. He searched the archive of various newspapers trying to find the eyewitnesses statements. He found many witnesses and interviewed them by unsolicited phone calls in which he asked them to confirm what they saw on 9/11. After that Jeffrey Hill said: "These people did not talk about hypotheticals based on the size of the hole in the Pentagon or the lack of aircraft debris; they related what they saw on 9/11." Jeffrey Hill presented the voice recordings and his analysis above. Unfortunately, recordings do not work anymore but a few years ago I heard all of them and they were 100% real. Those who cheated on you somehow destroyed them. The names are real so you can still find some of them in the phone book and call.

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:48:18 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

David Watts

Become a Fan
Author 10429

(Member since Jan 31, 2008), 13 fans, 19 articles, 26 quicklinks, 2249 comments, 27 diaries
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Devil's Advocate:   New Content

....

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 9:08:17 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndent

David Watts

Become a Fan
Author 10429

(Member since Jan 31, 2008), 13 fans, 19 articles, 26 quicklinks, 2249 comments, 27 diaries
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to David Watts:   New Content

DA, my "...." reply to you was a mistake.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 9:19:52 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (1+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to David Watts:   New Content

Whah? Ya don't like talking to me? :(

But seriously, I did manage to read it all before you took it down, and it all seemed pretty good to me. :)

It'll still fall on deaf ears, though. People are determined to shape all evidence they find to fit the narrative they want to believe. Doesn't matter if that narrative is impossible, as long as it looks possible to arrange the evidence to fit it, apparently.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 9:26:34 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (5+)
Help
 
Indent

Michele Goddard

Become a Fan
Author 513220

(Member since Mar 28, 2019), 3 fans, 17 articles, 124 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Aleksandar Sarovic:   New Content

I've seen documentaries where witnesses said they saw no plane and some one then were told not to talk about what they had seen. One woman who was working in the building that day said she heard what sounded like an explosion and she was very close to the impact and went to see if she could find anyone who needed help. She said she saw the damage up close and saw nothing resembling a plane. I sae this documentary years ago so I cant recall her name but I can find it. And her story isn't unique.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 10:52:59 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (2+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Michele Goddard:   New Content

Michele:

Your comments about the witness is typical -- and never ending. That is why I focused on the physical evidence of the damage in what I presented. Here is the 30 minute summary of the physical evidence for a building.

Witness, just as in any other investigation, tell where to look for the physical evidence.

.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb_5WdUhQgI


Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 12:46:17 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

Aleksandar Sarovic

Become a Fan
Author 513600
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since May 24, 2019), 14 articles, 237 comments
Facebook Page Twitter Page Linked In Page Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Michele Goddard:   New Content

I can not get how come two people who did not see the plane hitting the Pentagon can put doubt on hundreds who saw it. Why?

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 1:36:56 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Aleksandar Sarovic:   New Content

It appears someone needs to prove a plane hit the Pentagon, in order to have witnesses to such a thing. Obviously, something did, but it wasn't a commercial airliner. Certainly, nothing offered here comes remotely close to proving even that.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 9:40:39 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (3+)
Help
 

Lance Ciepiela

Become a Fan
Author 14196
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since Apr 4, 2008), 53 fans, 58 articles, 124 quicklinks, 4470 comments, 214 diaries
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


  New Content

Your 9/11 "Closure" - "may be at hand", only if and when the New York City #USAttorney ("We Will Comply") "empowers" a #FederalGrandJury to consider and examine the #OverwhelmingEvidence that "pre-planted explosives caused the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings." There remains no physical evidence of a 757 Commercial Airliner striking the Pentagon (e.g., "From my close up inspection there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon" -Jaime McIntyre #CNNLive), aside from your cursory claim of hypothetical bolts, rivets, columns, and windows that may somehow got loosened ("Peer Review Critique of Coste-Chandler Overview Video of Pentagon 9/11 Evidence" by Barbara Honegger).

#PrimaryInsideExplosives -
#PrimaryInsideExplosives - 'the real story' at the Pentagon, TwinTowers, and Building 7
(Image by Barbara Honegger)
Details DMCA

#PrimaryInsideExplosives - "the real story" at the #Pentagon, Twin Towers, and Building7 - Barbara Honegger's "Behind the Smoke Curtain".

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 8:36:15 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (5+)
Help
 
Indent

nelswight

Become a Fan
Author 2581

(Member since Sep 3, 2006), 515 comments
Not paid member and Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Lance Ciepiela:   New Content


Bravo, Lance.

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 9:44:57 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (3+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Aleksandar Sarovic:   New Content

Yeah, seen all of those. Nothing credible. In fact, most of those are completely dishonest.

(Of course, what do we expect from things like the BBC and Popular Mechanics?!)

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 9:54:05 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (8+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndent

Aleksandar Sarovic

Become a Fan
Author 513600
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since May 24, 2019), 14 articles, 237 comments
Facebook Page Twitter Page Linked In Page Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Devil's Advocate:   New Content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8


This is a complete analysis of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon together with photos which proves the analysis. Also, a photo presents the plane but it was located behind some kind of a post which means it was not very visible. But the smoke coming from the right plane engine is perfectly visible behind the plane. After a few seconds, the smoke disappears in the wind which proves it was the smoke from the engine of the plane.


If that does not make you change your mind about that, nothing will. Then you prove Mark Twain saying "It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:31:32 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (1+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndent

Michele Goddard

Become a Fan
Author 513220

(Member since Mar 28, 2019), 3 fans, 17 articles, 124 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Aleksandar Sarovic:   New Content

Alexander,


I assume you realize that Integrated C9nsultants Inc. works for the United States Government. They are government contractors. Taking a forensic analysis from a government contractor on an event that many suspect the government was complicit in is like taking Lockheed Martin's assessment that our current planes are "outdated" and we need to buy more planes from them. You can't ignore this conflict of interest.


There are many experts in the field who dispute the gocernment narrative a d who are not at risk of losing contracts if they contradict the government's story.


That being said, I believe in followiing the evidence and there are some points in the video which I will follow up on for verification. Thank you for sharing.


Take Care,


M

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 11:25:34 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (3+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Aleksandar Sarovic

Become a Fan
Author 513600
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since May 24, 2019), 14 articles, 237 comments
Facebook Page Twitter Page Linked In Page Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Michele Goddard:   New Content

The point is one CAN NOT dispute anything in this video and CAN easily dispute everything which does not comply with this video. You are welcome.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 1:41:19 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Michele Goddard

Become a Fan
Author 513220

(Member since Mar 28, 2019), 3 fans, 17 articles, 124 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Aleksandar Sarovic:   New Content

Alexander,

People can and will continue to dispute the narrative for several reasons.

1) The Government has a long established, well documented history of murderous conspiracies and nafarious plots and just as long a history of covering them up for decades. Remember, all the documents from JFK's assasinations have STILL not been released. If the government had a resume, illegal coups, flase flag operations, CIA experiments on innocent civilians and Assassinations would be under the "special skills section "

2) The U.S. government has a mastery of creating propaganda to both silence criticism abd promote their own narrative and with the tools they have available to them now good luck proving a theory. It is easy to call conspiracy theories "unverified" when you destroy and or hide all original evidence to prevent anyone else from first hand forensic examination. (Sorry computer models don't cut it)

3) The most important aspects of an investigation are the preservation of the crime scene, proper evidence documentation, collection and storage and chain of custody. In every questionable government investigation from th JFK assassination to Epstein's alleged suicide the government fails to follow the most basic rules of evidence collection. In fact they make sure that the evidence is destroyed so that no "conspiracy theory" can ever be tested and thus is guaranteed to remain "unfounded"

Here are some examples of how forensic investigations of aircraft are done. There have been planes that crashed in the ocean and created a crime scene over a mile in diameter.

https://www.forensicmag.com/news/2019/03/heres-how-airplane-crash-investigations-work-according-aviation-safety-expert

Pan Am Flight 103

https://images.app.goo.gl/gb9rXfJ6jXi2bE7A6

https://www.thenational.ae/world/how-investigators-unlock-air-crash-secrets-1.453755

TWA Flight 800

https://images.app.goo.gl/MjCMJn5PeqkgbRCC9

Malaysia Airlines

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/oct/13/malaysian-airlines-mh17-wreckage-reconstruction-timelapse-video

Take care,

M


Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 12:09:59 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (3+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Aleksandar Sarovic

Become a Fan
Author 513600
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since May 24, 2019), 14 articles, 237 comments
Facebook Page Twitter Page Linked In Page Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Michele Goddard:   New Content

The rich people have created a permanent conspiracy. Their first intention is to hide their intentions. So whenever people think they know what really happened they are far away from the truth. When the rich people make a conspiracy nobody has a clue about it. Here is how they affected the last four American presidents. https://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Conspiracy-of-the-Worl-by-Aleksandar-Sarovic-Conspiracy_Conspiracy-Theories_Conspiracy-Theory-190527-835.html

Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 11:23:32 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndent

Glers

Become a Fan
Author 506681

(Member since Sep 12, 2016), 51 comments
Not paid member and Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Aleksandar Sarovic:   New Content

I would have to believe there are hundreds if not thousands of close circuit cameras in D.C on 9/11 and all we get is 2 seconds of nothing

According to hundreds of Pilots many from the air force say the turbulence at low altitude and high speed would of made it impossible for the novice Hani Hanjour to make those maneuvers

Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 5:43:11 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Glers:   New Content

Glers:


From what I've observed, more cameras would only lead to more accusations of "faked" videos. The two seconds of "nothing" actually have enough information from the two parking gate security cameras to estimate the speed of the plane crossing the lawn at approximately 542 mph.

.youtube.com/watch?v=SunhDlCMJJc

BTW: The re-rendered YouTube versions of the original FOIA release video have degraded quality. It is the degraded (e.g., "blurry") that Massimo Mazzucco claimed were photo shopped -- because the blurs looked similar to him. If Mazzucco had insisted on the original FOIA quality video, he could not have made that assertion.


Submitted on Saturday, Sep 7, 2019 at 12:13:58 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

Lance Ciepiela

Become a Fan
Author 14196
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since Apr 4, 2008), 53 fans, 58 articles, 124 quicklinks, 4470 comments, 214 diaries
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Aleksandar Sarovic:   New Content

No - can you explain your links and then support them "just a little" otherwise who knows "what your point is"? You replied so quickly to my comment you obviously didn't even "click here or there" to "take the time" for "the full story".

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:25:00 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (3+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndent

Aleksandar Sarovic

Become a Fan
Author 513600
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since May 24, 2019), 14 articles, 237 comments
Facebook Page Twitter Page Linked In Page Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Lance Ciepiela:   New Content

I do not need to read anything about it anymore. I know what happened.

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:51:35 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Aleksandar Sarovic:   New Content

Aleksandar:


You might want to add this link to your collection. I've reviewed thousands of data items to make sense of what happened at the Pentagon.

speakout.org/wayne-coste/

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:37:33 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndent

Aleksandar Sarovic

Become a Fan
Author 513600
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since May 24, 2019), 14 articles, 237 comments
Facebook Page Twitter Page Linked In Page Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Wayne Coste:   New Content

I know that some kind of dispute exists inside 911 Truth about the Pentagon destruction, but generally, 911 Truth was manipulated and financed by the conspirators to put people on a wrong track. I explained everything in my article My Investigation about 911. The conspirators are masters of deception.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 12:00:32 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
Indent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Lance Ciepiela:   New Content

Lance:

Barbara's whole story falls apart when you see that Column 14AAis hanging from the third floor and angled inward in the direction that the plane was traveling. Here is an image of that column from a front-on perspective.


(Image by Unknown Owner) Details DMCA


The image that is in the composite photo of this column that Barbara uses is taken from the southwest from along the plane's path. It's too bad she didn't look closely before jumping to conclusions that are easily show to be wrong.

Submitted on Wednesday, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:33:10 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

Lance Ciepiela

Become a Fan
Author 14196
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since Apr 4, 2008), 53 fans, 58 articles, 124 quicklinks, 4470 comments, 214 diaries
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Wayne Coste:   New Content

Your entire story doesn't have a shred of evidence of an airliner ever striking the Pentagon on 9/11 - you do refer quite often to "columns" in your story line which proves "nothing" but none of your story seems to have any scientific evidence that a commercial airliner came anywhere near or smashed into your "columns" or the building.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 1:26:55 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (3+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Lance Ciepiela:   New Content

Lance:

I talk about the columns because the way that they were damaged provides a record of what caused the damage. The damage to columns 18, 19 and 20 are all in a line consistent with the right wing impacting this area. Can you explain this specific damage by explosives --


(Image by Unknown Owner) Details DMCA
in the context of all the other damage?

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 2:33:37 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndent

Lance Ciepiela

Become a Fan
Author 14196
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since Apr 4, 2008), 53 fans, 58 articles, 124 quicklinks, 4470 comments, 214 diaries
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Wayne Coste:   New Content

Barbara Honegger's "photo" posted "previously" explains "everything" about the "impact hole at the Pentagon" on 9/11 - the "columns" inside "the impact hole" were "not severed" or even hardly damaged by the "pre-planted Pentagon explosives went off" (Barbara Honegger's "Memorandum For the President) and you should have noted in your story line that there was "no plane wreckage" ever found at the Pentagon (e.g., no two titanium aircraft engines ever recovered or seen at the impact hole) "Wings that should have been sheared off by the impact are entirely absent." Yes, perhaps you can revise your story line of disinformation and simple conjecture and try explaining "Why is there not a scratch on the Pentagon lawn (scroll to "The Pentagon") after the crash of a large airliner that supposedly came in on a flat trajectory? Why did the detachable wings and tail section of the plane not sheer off upon impact at 400 mph? Why is the impact hole so small? Why in the 1500 reviewed photos of the accident scene is not one seat, cushion, or piece of luggage visible?"

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 4:43:54 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (3+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Lance Ciepiela:   New Content

I've been making the same points, but nobody ever attempts to answer them. Because they can't answer for all the missing details, while keeping their own theory of "commercial jets" alive. Details that have always been present in every plane crash in history, except the 4 in question on 9/11.

Indeed, those 4 planes, we're told managed to do some pretty incredible things never experienced before or after 9/11. Things that are patently impossible.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 5:01:32 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (7+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Lance Ciepiela:   New Content

Lance:

Again, you have so much mis-understanding of the event. Here is a photo, of column 18 that is not only bashed-in, it is pushed to the south. This is consistent with the right wing pivoting around this point (just after bashing-in column 19 and 20).

So the wings -- attached to the plane with structural members at the rear of the wing to the fuselage -- were carried into the building. The 90 feet of severed columns are sufficient space for this.

Here is column 18 pushed southward. Explosives could not have done this -- but a plane impact could have.


(Image by Unknown Owner) Details DMCA

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 12:33:20 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Lance Ciepiela:   New Content

The plane did hit the ground in front of the Pentagon west wall. Here is a picture of the retaining wall (ground level) that establishes the height of the left engine. The height of the right engine was recorded by the damage to the generator trailer (and fence in front of it).


(Image by Unknown Owner) Details DMCA

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 12:38:23 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 

David Watts

Become a Fan
Author 10429

(Member since Jan 31, 2008), 13 fans, 19 articles, 26 quicklinks, 2249 comments, 27 diaries
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


  New Content

I don't have time for this right now but did this "Conference on the 9/11 Pentagon Evidence" consider any of the following? (I am spitting this out quickly from memory as this is not a good time for me right now.)

1. The analysis of the FDR by Pilotsfor9/11truth.

2. The investigation of the Citizen Investigation Team showing the flight path of the airplane by many eyewitnesses in locations to be certain of the plane's path that show that it was impossible for the airplane to impact where the damage was.

3. The round hole in the wall well inside the Pentagon.

4. The fact that DNA for every single person on board was identified yet most of the plane "vaporized."

5. Any of the very few airplane parts found could have been planted ahead of time. I mean if it was me carrying out the charade, even I would have realized it might be a bit suspicious if there were NO airplane parts found and would have planted a few parts here and there.

6. Ground effect.

7. Does any of the analysis of the damage by the "airplane" show the same damage "caused by the airplane" could NOT have also been caused by a MISSILE.

8. The "only" video being 5 frames even though other video was confiscated by the FBI minutes after the impact from, I think, a Holiday Inn and maybe other locations.

9. I don't care how much faster than design maneuvering speed the "airplane was going," it should have looked like an airplane and not some little white missile-like thing. It should have shown a large vertical stabilizer (tail) but it did not. The color of whatever the object was was white and not even those of American Airlines!

10. I remember seeing something that said all video cameras on the Pentagon were turned off.

11. Maximum structural airspeed of a 757. Granted, a "beefed up" 757 might possibly have been used. But still, it would have been an airplane and could not have taken the flight path they say it did.

That is all that I can come up with off the top of my head right now.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 12:49:43 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (4+)
Help
 
Indent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to David Watts:   New Content

David:

Most of the issues you posted were discussed at the conference.

David Chandler, a retired physics teacher, gave a talk entitled "Evidence for Large Plane Approach to the Pentagon." In tracing the path of the large plane from the vicinity of the Sheraton Hotel to the impact at the Pentagon's west wall, Chandler showed that damage to several impacted objects quantified the actual wingspan of the incoming plane. Matching the dimensions of a Boeing 757-200, the wingspan, location of the engines and indentation onto the diesel generator trailer by the right wing-flap mechanism suggest the impacting plane was similar to the reported American Airlines Flight 77.

Wayne Coste, an engineer, presented "The Trail of Damage at the Pentagon." He discussed the design of the "blast-resistant" E ring wall, a severed tree and other impacted objects. He also reviewed the damage from plane impact onto the fa├žade with an impact sequence illustrating yaw motion of the plane caused by impact with the diesel generator. The momentum allowed heavy plane parts to reach and impact the inner C ring wall creating a ten foot diameter hole. Coste also discussed the effects of the plane's trailing air mass on the distribution of light debris outside the Pentagon.

Warren Stutt, a computer scientist, gave an engaging talk entitled "The Flight Data Recorder." Stutt showed how the Flight Data Recorder (FDR) data support AA Flight 77 impacting the Pentagon. Stutt was able to convey to the audience a basic understanding of his highly technical analysis of the FDR data. Stutt reviewed many of the claims that have been made against the authenticity of the FDR data and showed them to be unfounded.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 2:36:03 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Wayne Coste:   New Content

It's amazing what lengths people will go to, in order to explain that which simply cannot happen. All these "studies" you're citing do the same thing.

The laws of physics don't just "fail". No selective arrangement of evidential material is going to prove otherwise, despite how well it fits into your preferred narrative.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 5:14:16 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (4+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Devil's Advocate:   New Content

Yes, I absolutely agree with you that "The laws of physics don't just 'fail'." That is why the impact damage only fits a large plane impact with the dimensions of a 757.

What specific misstatements did I make in this section? I don't see any misstatements.

.youtube.com/watch?v=fzF5smjFVxc


Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 12:22:00 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
Indent

Aleksandar Sarovic

Become a Fan
Author 513600
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since May 24, 2019), 14 articles, 237 comments
Facebook Page Twitter Page Linked In Page Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to David Watts:   New Content

You are right about being dull, or you are pretending to be dull and earn money here!

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 2:37:30 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

Daniel Geery

Become a Fan
Author 1198

(Member since Jul 9, 2009), 69 fans, 385 articles, 3580 quicklinks, 16784 comments, 180 diaries
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Aleksandar Sarovic:   New Content

He is earning millions from OEN! That's why he writes here, just like the rest of us. Right David?

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 3:58:07 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (3+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndent

Aleksandar Sarovic

Become a Fan
Author 513600
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since May 24, 2019), 14 articles, 237 comments
Facebook Page Twitter Page Linked In Page Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Daniel Geery:   New Content

No, it does not work this way. I was approached by mistake 20 years ago with an offer to earn good money by writing in newsgroups, like soc.culture.something. Today this is much more developed. There is not one big facebook group without paid contributors who support the goals of the rich and earn an extra buck. They are certainly located here as well.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 5:36:35 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndent

Daniel Geery

Become a Fan
Author 1198

(Member since Jul 9, 2009), 69 fans, 385 articles, 3580 quicklinks, 16784 comments, 180 diaries
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Aleksandar Sarovic:   New Content

I followed the 9/11 bs for infinite hours on end, over many months at least. I began to make a model of one of the towers (that I saw being built in the early seventies), and as an inventor, builder, and once a construction worker myself, and had the outline on graph paper. If memory serves, it was going to be four feet tall, and two by two around, or certainly close to that. I studied the internal construction carefully, and easily figured how much fuel that would amount to on that scale, for a passenger plane headed from east to west. That, given the most liberal calculations, amounted to one drop from an eye dropper on that scale.

This is what "took down the towers" at free fall speed, aka zero resistance.

For more on this topic I offer two relevant links: click here and click here

I still have Griffin and co-author's book on my Kindle, but after getting partway in looked into their bios in some depth. No more point in reading after that.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 7:11:19 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (2+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Daniel Geery:   New Content

Griffin may not have had all the answers, and may have even gotten some things wrong, but I still think he was singularly instrumental in getting real conversations started about 9/11. He at least showed that things certainly did not happen the way the government told it.

For the part he did play, I salute him.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 9:25:17 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (6+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Daniel Geery

Become a Fan
Author 1198

(Member since Jul 9, 2009), 69 fans, 385 articles, 3580 quicklinks, 16784 comments, 180 diaries
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Devil's Advocate:   New Content

Fair enough. Praise every effort... Dale Carnegie



Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 9:44:02 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (1+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Daniel Geery:   New Content

We sometimes have to remember what stance DRG took on this. He always made sure to clarify that he never professed to have any of it solved, and that his only real "mission" was to show that the official story was nothing but a lie.

People always threw snipes at Griffin for not offering an alternate narrative (the solution to the mystery), to which he would reply that it wasn't his place to attempt that. He hoped others with better resources and an active interest in the subject would eventually fill in the blanks with the real information.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 10:55:03 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (4+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Daniel Geery:   New Content

Daniel:


I like the Mueler article.

The recently released study by Dr. Husley is very informative about WTC7



Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 4:43:09 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Mike Zimmer

Become a Fan
Author 49916

(Member since Jun 19, 2010), 6 fans, 100 quicklinks, 430 comments
Not paid member and Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Daniel Geery:   New Content

Not at all sure what you did not like about their biographies Dan.

If you mean co-author Elizabeth Woodworth, a personal friend as you may remember, and a frequent colleague in 9/11 Truth activities, I know her as an intelligent and meticulous researcher. I cannot imagine what you found unsettling about her biography.

With regard to Dr. David Ray Griffin, I know him as an author of carefully reasoned books, who is a Professor of Theology, specializing in Process Theology, and a philosopher. I am not a Christian, but I find his position on the values that he feels should underlie Christian behaviour to be admirable. Most people that I have met consider his books to be the gold standard on 9/11 for their carefully reasoned arguments. His arguments may be wrong, in part or perhaps in whole, (this applies to most of us, and to some more than others), but they are well supported.

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 12, 2019 at 7:54:19 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


  New Content

The whole 9/11 event seems to show something interesting in abundance, which few people seem to realize.

For each of the 4 events from that day, there are people trying very hard to prove a "perfect storm" of multiple, extremely strange things happened.

Some of the best minds seem to have fallen into this trap. (Is there a name for the opposite of Occam's Razor?)

Submitted on Thursday, Sep 5, 2019 at 11:27:06 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (3+)
Help
 

Jim Arnold

Become a Fan
Author 6322

(Member since Jun 4, 2007), 27 fans, 33 articles, 3961 comments, 6 diaries
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


  New Content

I don't have the time to go into this now. A small round hole with no evidence of debris from a plane, the confiscation and suppression of video evidence (duh), the fighter protection in the most heavily defended airspace in the world sent out to sea, the failure of anti-aircraft missiles on the roof to even engage a threat from the air, the target area just happening to be the offices where lost billion$ were being investigated and documented.... Yah right.

I can understand the passion of investigators working to establish what really happened, but what motivates someone just to convince others "there's nothing to see here, folks"?

Come back and tell us how all the cameras in the hallways outside Jeffrey Epstein's cell malfunctioned.

Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 1:45:10 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (8+)
Help
 
Indent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Jim Arnold:   New Content


(Image by Unknown Owner) Details DMCA

(Image by Unknown Owner) Details DMCA

(Image by Unknown Owner) Details DMCA

(Image by Unknown Owner) Details DMCA

(Image by Unknown Owner) Details DMCA

(Image by Unknown Owner) Details DMCA

(Image by Unknown Owner) Details DMCA

(Image by Unknown Owner) Details DMCA

(Image by Unknown Owner) Details DMCA

(Image by Unknown Owner) Details DMCA
!!!

(This one needed more than one thumb.)


Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 2:32:46 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (2+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Devil's Advocate:   New Content

Well, that wasn't exactly was I intended to make happen.

Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 2:45:11 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (2+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndent

Jim Arnold

Become a Fan
Author 6322

(Member since Jun 4, 2007), 27 fans, 33 articles, 3961 comments, 6 diaries
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Devil's Advocate:   New Content

Well, I enjoyed it, D.A.!

Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 4:02:31 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (3+)
Help
 
Indent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Jim Arnold:   New Content

Jim:

I absolutely agree with you about, "the fighter protection in the most heavily defended airspace in the world sent out to sea" and "the target area just happening to be the offices where lost billion$ were being investigated and documented"

I've seen nothing to substantiate the presence of this type of a system (before or after 9/11) "the target area just happening to be the offices where lost billion$ were being investigated and documented"


The "small round hole", was on the second floor at the point of impact of the top of the plane. The mass of the plane impacted the first floor and knocked the bolted wall inward across 90 feet of the first floor. You can see that here:
.youtube.com/watch?v=fzF5smjFVxc


Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 4:32:21 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (1+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Wayne Coste:   New Content

You just keep pushing the idea that the entire plane just slipped into the building - wings, tail, engines and all - and don't realize how far removed from reality that would be.

It's actually amazing how this type of thing somehow happened 3 times on that day, and half the country actually believed it each time.

Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 5:00:01 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (7+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Devil's Advocate:   New Content

Devil:


The data contained in the photographic and video evidence in the aftermath of the destruction shows damage that is perfectly consistent with a large plane "slipping into the building - wings, tail, engines and all."


Here is the analysis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzF5smjFVxc

Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 12:37:50 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndent

Devil's Advocate

Become a Fan
Author 500650

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 10 fans, 3188 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Wayne Coste:   New Content

You even repeat the part about "slipping into the building - wings, tail, engines and all", as if there was nothing crazy about that.

Reality cannot be "perfectly consistent" with fantasy. I see lots of "evidence" that is "perfectly consistent" with Superman having damaged my neighbor's roof. Doesn't mean that's what happened.

For a plane to penetrate a building, stay intact, and drag its entire carcass into the building, it would have to be of fantastic construction. Such a plane would have been visible, somewhere, for everyone to see, once the dust had settled. It wouldn't be completely MIA.

"Perfectly consistent" has the same flavour as the "if true,..." used by MSM, or the "highly likely" coming out of the mouths of Teresa May. It attempts to explain that which did happen by offering that which didn't (or can't!) make it happen.

Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 5:27:19 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (2+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Devil's Advocate:   New Content

Devil:


The plane was impacting a thin wall that was held in-place by about 1 bolt (threaded rod) per foot. Strong enough to withstand a truck-bomb (like the design criteria of the Khobar Towers blast).

Compared to a 100 ton mass flying in at the observed 542 mph, one bolt per foot isn't much resistance.

Here is how the E-Ring wall was constructed:
.youtube.com/watch?v=CBWCukkeOWU




Submitted on Saturday, Sep 7, 2019 at 12:21:34 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndent

Aleksandar Sarovic

Become a Fan
Author 513600
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since May 24, 2019), 14 articles, 237 comments
Facebook Page Twitter Page Linked In Page Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Wayne Coste:   New Content

There are some people who will not accept the truth even if they see it with their eyes. As Mark Twain said, "It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." Some of them have accepted the lies as religion and after eighteen years they cannot accept being wrong. Some of them earn money by repeating the mantra even they can see the truth. The conspirators pay them.

Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 11:35:08 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Aleksandar Sarovic:   New Content

I looked at your "My Investigation of 911" and see that you have made some amazing fundamental errors. You assert the destruction of the Twin Towers was a gravity-only collapse after fire and structural damage. You said, "... I have scientifically explained how the skyscrapers crushed down. I believe it is a credible explanation."

But instead of there being a big pile of debris, there is virtually no pile of debris in the lobby area. After the destruction, 13 Survivors looked up and saw blue sky above them. They were not under 105 stories of debris.

Question: Where did the building go?

Answer: Propelled outward in all directions as it was destroyed.

Here is my article that can only lead to the conclusion that the building was NOT a gravity-only collapse:


https://www.911tap.org/557-news-releases/745-the-most-compelling-9-11-story

SO far your analytical skill seem a "bit-off."

Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 12:30:25 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (1+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndent

Aleksandar Sarovic

Become a Fan
Author 513600
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since May 24, 2019), 14 articles, 237 comments
Facebook Page Twitter Page Linked In Page Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Wayne Coste:   New Content

There is a simple explanation of why the debris flew a hundred of meters around and dust all over Manhattan. The construction of the twin towers was very strong and resisted the hit of the upper part of the building for a very short time. The construction reacted by propelling the falling material out and it was perfectly visible in all videos.

The reaction was similar to hitting a hard surface with a hammer. The hummer is pushed back.

Miracle happens. 60 floors vertical pipes also survived in the second destroyed building because the building imploded completely vertically and the reaction of construction pushed it out. The pipes collapsed after the complete destruction of the building because nothing supported them anymore.

The explosives should be planted practically in every column and initiated by the fall of the building which is impossible to perform. Also, the explosives would certainly destroy the pipes and kill these miraculously survived people.

Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 2:01:05 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Lance Ciepiela

Become a Fan
Author 14196
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since Apr 4, 2008), 53 fans, 58 articles, 124 quicklinks, 4470 comments, 214 diaries
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Aleksandar Sarovic:   New Content

Yes, of course, there were no "nineteen hijackers" anywhere in the world who could have come to New York City on 9/11 at exactly 5:20 PM to "pull down" Building 7 in 6.5 seconds - "II. But al-Qaeda operatives could not have obtained the needed access to the buildings to plant the explosives and would not have ensured that the buildings come straight down. The controlled demolition, therefore, had to be the work of insiders". #Building7Collapse #NewStudy. New York Area #FireCommissioners - they were reading the text of a resolution claiming the existence of "overwhelming evidence" that "pre-planted explosives caused the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings." #911TreasonMEMO - #PrimaFacieEvidence "submitted" to House Judiciary Chairman Rep John Conyers (D-MI), who never held an Impeachment Hearing on W Bush and apparently never "notified a federal judge" or congress or held a Hearing that he was "in possession 9/11 treason evidence".

Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 3:05:40 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (2+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Aleksandar Sarovic

Become a Fan
Author 513600
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since May 24, 2019), 14 articles, 237 comments
Facebook Page Twitter Page Linked In Page Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Lance Ciepiela:   New Content

No there is not a shred of evidence that any kind of explosive was used in the destruction of WTC and Pentagon. BTW, they all collapsed by the plane impact, fire, and the weight of the building above. Also any logic why would explosives be used is missing? Where exactly it would be planted? How it would be planted, initiated? What triggered it? The idea was not elaborated even in theory. Total nonsense and mass paranoia.

Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 3:18:27 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Glers

Become a Fan
Author 506681

(Member since Sep 12, 2016), 51 comments
Not paid member and Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Not paid member and Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Aleksandar Sarovic:   New Content

Ridiculous

Submitted on Friday, Sep 6, 2019 at 5:17:29 PM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (3+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Wayne Coste

Become a Fan
Author 511086

(Member since Apr 9, 2018), 1 fan, 3 articles, 129 comments
Facebook page url on login Profile not filled in Twitter page url on login Profile not filled in Linkedin page url on login Profile not filled in Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Aleksandar Sarovic:   New Content

What you've described is a building being destroyed without a hammer. With all the energy being used to hurl the building parts in all directions, there isn't much energy left to destroy the next floor below.

You didn't do any math for your analysis did you?

Here is a paper I wrote about the destruction of the Twin Towers.

soredbysefi.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/54759.pdf


Submitted on Saturday, Sep 7, 2019 at 12:28:27 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help
 
IndentIndentIndentIndentIndentIndent

Aleksandar Sarovic

Become a Fan
Author 513600
Follow Me on Twitter
(Member since May 24, 2019), 14 articles, 237 comments
Facebook Page Twitter Page Linked In Page Instagram page url on login Profile not filled in


Add this Page to Facebook! Submit to Twitter Share on LinkedIn Submit to Reddit


Reply to Wayne Coste:   New Content

I disagree. Firstly, it is impossible to calculate chaos. Then, one cannot say that all the energy was used to hurl the building parts in all directions because it is obvious that a lot of energy from the buildings remained to hammer down the buildings.

The following video clearly presents that the building below the plane impact resisted the collapse of ten floors above, before the energy of the weight stated crushing down floor by floor. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyaZAbdCDxE&t=1771s at 38:23.

The bouncing material around the falling buildings was a result of resistance of floors and columns bellow before they crushed under kinetic pressure. No math can calculate the chaos that happened there in a split of a second. I believe floors acted as a trampoline bouncing back material before collapsed, which made you believe explosive did it.


Submitted on Saturday, Sep 7, 2019 at 2:12:09 AM

Author 0
Add New Comment
Share Comment
Reply To This   Recommend  (0+)
Help