"So this fellow continued with his conversation. I was incredulous that McFarlane would have ever brought a guy like this or placed any credibility in a guy like this. Just absolutely incredulous, and so was Larry Silberman. This meeting lasted maybe 20 minutes, 25 minutes. So that's it. There's no need to continue this meeting. "
"Larry and I walked out. And I remember Larry saying, "Boy, you better write a memorandum about this. This is really spaceship stuff.' And it, of course, set my opinion very firmly about Bud McFarlane for having brought this person to me in the first place."
Allen described the emissary as "stocky and swarthy, dark-complected," but otherwise "non-descript." Allen added that the man looked like a "person from somewhere on the Mediterranean littoral. How about that?"
Allen said this Egyptian or Iranian "must have given a name at the time, must have." But Allen couldn't recall it. He also said he made no effort to check out the man's position or background before agreeing to the meeting.
"Did you ask McFarlane, who is this guy?" I asked Allen.
"I don't recall having asked him, no," Allen responded.
"I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't say, "Is this guy an Iranian, is he someone you've known for a while?'" I pressed.
"Well, gee, I'm sorry that you don't understand," Allen lashed back. "I really feel badly for you. It's really too bad you don't understand. But that's your problem, not mine."
"But wouldn't you normally ask that kind of background question?"
"Not necessarily," Allen said. "McFarlane wanted me to meet a guy and this guy was going to talk about the hostages. I met plenty of people during that period of time who wanted to talk to me about the hostages. " This was no different from anybody else I would meet on this subject."
"It obviously turned out to be different from most people you've met on the subject," I interjected.
""Oh, it turned out to be because this guy is the centerpiece of some sort of great conspiracy web that has been spun," Allen snapped.
"Well, were there many people who offered to deliver the hostages to Ronald Reagan?" I asked.
"No, this one was particularly different, but I didn't know that before I went to the meeting, you understand."
"Did you ask McFarlane what on earth this guy was going to propose?"