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Rob Kall's Vision: A Transcript of His Interview With Envision This!

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H2: Ahhhh and good [laughs] I was gonna ask you how you would keep up with doing all of that

R: Well I've maintained eh - eh - the conferences in the form of websites that are - are a bit neglected but I have a website, and, where I have lot of content and articles and interviews and things like that that are related to them -

L: What keeps you motivated with the Opednews and the Bottom Up Radio Show?

R: Well every day it's something new. Everyday, I mean we publish about, oh a thousand articles a month and we do that with the help of a wonderful, brilliant team of volunteer editors and every day has new stuff happening, new connections, I'm meeting new people, I'm working in new fields, learning new things, fighting new fights and that's all really exciting. So I wake up every morning looking forward to the day. And that's a wonderful thing. On the radio show I get a chance to interview some of the smartest people in the world and have great conversations with them. So that's wonderful, too.

H2: Isn't that exciting? That's one of the things we really love about doing this show: is that we get to talk to people who have brilliant minds and, not only minds, but really, the passion to do something about it.

R: well I think that's the important combination-- Mind and Passion.

R: Yeah I like that, yeah. True

H1: Yeah mind, passion, and action. What do you mean when you speak speak of Bottoms Up Empowerment?

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R: It's bottom up, bottom up, not bottoms up. Bottoms up is when you have a drink

H1: Oh!

H2: [laughs]

H2: We're not trying to encourage people to become alcoholics!

R: [laughs] So Bottom Up is an approach that takes all the pieces and the basics and builds up towards a whole, as opposed to top-down, which starts with one big idea. So Bottom Up tends to be grass roots and de-centralized without hierarchy, and interdependent, and interconnected, and cooperative. Top down tends to be hierarchical, centralized, and control-oriented. What I've concluded is that for most of the history of the human race, for literally millions of years if you include our predecessors, we - lived in a very bottom up culture. If it way of living-- in tribes or bands and it was only with the onset of the ownership and control of land which came with agriculture and domestication of animals which led to civilization that we shifted to a top down culture that's only been in existence for anywhere between ten and twelve thousand years. So we've got a couple million years of being bottom up people and ten or twelve thousand years, at the most, for some humans, of being top down. And really, most humans, even 500 years ago were still living in bottom up indigenous, tribal cultures. If you think about it ,that's when Columbus came and opened up the New World. All those people in North and South America were indigenous tribal people and there are still thousands of tribes in existence on this planet.

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But it's really only in the last couple of hundred years that the top down culture has predominated as strongly as it has. I think it that, that has been a big experiment and maybe a detour. Now, there's no question that civilization has produced the ability for people to create and do big things like moon-landings and road systems but I also think that in some ways it's gone too far and that's why I am very interested - and I'm always talking when I have my guests on about indigenous tribal culture and indigenous ways of seeing and being because I think we have so much to learn from those people

H2: We have a guest coming up next week who is a shaman from Peru and he's going to be sharing with us some of what he feels the ancient wisdom of his ancestors has to say to modern American people.

R: Sounds like a good show

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