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Dennis Kucinich:   They don't carry out their own program.  When President Obama congratulates Secretary Clinton, he's congratulating himself.

 

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Rob Kall:   Yes.  So let's talk then about the policy that she implemented.  It sounds like you weren't that happy with them.

 

Dennis Kucinich:   Well, look. As a member of Congress, I was the foremost spokesperson in challenging U.S. Aggression abroad.  I believe that it unfortunately helped to facilitate strengthening al Qaeda in some places instead of weakening it.  Do you know, that when we knocked off the government of Libya, arms poured into areas south of Libya?  And actually, it's well known that some of those arms helped al Qaeda in the Maghreb attempt to overthrow the Malian government. 

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And so, we have to look at where the policies took us. They expanded the United States' footprint internationally, with arms, with drones; and have continued to, unfortunately, strengthen the position of radical elements, wittingly or unwittingly.  And I have a problem with that.  And I said so in the Congress of the United States, over, and over, and over.  And I was able to get votes called so that Congress had at least an opportunity to weigh in, whether they had a desire or not  to change the policies of the administration.  This is nothing new when I say that I broadly opposed the policies of the Obama administration when it came to international matters.

 

Rob Kall:   OK.  So let's talk about peace, because this is something that you've put so much of your life and heart into.  My impression is that, under an Obama administration, the Peace Movement has been, in many ways, gutted and eviscerated, and made impotent.

 

Dennis Kucinich:   Well, it needed to be visible, and it hasn't been.  In March of 2003, before the invasion of Iraq, I joined over a million people in New York City winding down 1st and 2nd avenue, and, I suppose, beyond. Tremendous crowds opposing the United States' entry into the war.  I participated in one peace march after another; this was almost ten years ago now.  But once the war started, the public opinion and momentum swung in favor of the war, really as a function of the fact that people had sons and daughters in the military.  People would say "Well, we support our troops."  But the American people were dragged into the war based on lies!  Which is what I [signal lapse - "said?"] back in October 2002.  I cited chapter and verse the reasons why we shouldn't go to war.  Anybody goes to the internet today, Google "Kucinich Iraq Report October 2002" and you'll see I that I had it cold.  I knew exactly what was happening. 

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But you know what?  We got pulled into a war.  And the Peace Movement, to the extent that there was one, which was maybe not organized in terms of membership, but I will tell you this: the American people do not want to go to war.  But we got dragged into it.  So, Iraq begat Afghanistan, begat a whole series of incursions into Pakistan and expanded our regional involvement.  The Peace Movement was eclipsed; and it needs to be reawakened, and it needs to be visible, and it needs to be called forward with a new mission: t ruth and reconciliation.  The American people deserve to know the truth about what took us into Iraq. They deserve to know the truth about Hamid Karzai, and the kind of theft that occurred of US tax dollars in connection with the enterprise in Afghanistan.  They deserve to know how US tax dollars ended up helping those who we claim we oppose. 

 

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Rob Kall is an award winning journalist, inventor, software architect, connector and visionary. His work and his writing have been featured in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, CNN, ABC, the HuffingtonPost, Success, Discover and other media. He's given talks and workshops to Fortune 500 execs and national medical and psychological organizations, and pioneered first-of-their-kind conferences in Positive Psychology, Brain Science and Story. He hosts some of the world's smartest, most interesting and powerful people on his Bottom Up Radio Show, and founded and publishes one of the top Google- ranked progressive news and opinion sites, OpEdNews.com

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded Opednews.com-- which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project. 

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