And I believe -- so, yes, so I'm on -- you know, I've come from Michigan to New York to do the show. I come from the Brexit states out there. And I wanted to -- I wanted to do this in the city that gave us Donald J. Trump. I mean, basically, I've come to the belly of the beast here. And we do the show 12 blocks from Trump Tower every day.
AMY GOODMAN: Didn't you take a bus there?
MICHAEL MOORE: We took a bus -- yes, one night, we thought we'd go over and have some cheesecake or a tortilla bowl or whatever it is that he -- the KFC, whatever he loves, we were going to like have some dinner with him, but he said he wasn't hungry.
AMY GOODMAN: So, what are the terms of your surrender?
MICHAEL MOORE: Well, now, if I told you that, what's the point of coming to the -- it takes me two hours to explain that. I can't. But, well, basically, none of us are going to surrender. I mean, the actual terms are pretty extensive. And it's not just getting rid of Trump. I mean, we have -- we have to take a look at how we got Trump. He didn't just fall out of the sky. He's the end result of decades of both dumbing down the country but also the widening gap between those with wealth and those who work to provide the wealth for those who are rich.
AMY GOODMAN: We just were --
MICHAEL MOORE: It's also -- yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: -- interviewing Muhammad Yunus, the Nobel Peace Prize winner from Bangladesh, talking about -- he thinks it's now five men own more wealth than half the world's population.
MICHAEL MOORE: Yeah, yeah. Isn't that amazing?
AMY GOODMAN: Right? Three-point-six billion people.
MICHAEL MOORE: Yeah. So, he's the kind of natural result of this. It's not some crazy accident, the way I look at it. And, in fact, he's the result of a racist clause in the United States Constitution. So, this is -- that Electoral College concept of trying to convince the slave states, as you know -- you've talked about it on the show -- to come into the country, the new country, we put this clause in there that let them count slaves while giving them no power, really. And so, he benefited from that. But the show isn't -- I mean, it's not a history lesson. It's not a college lecture. Well, I mean, you've seen it. So, it --
AMY GOODMAN: The show is spectacular. And you are constantly responding to whatever the latest is, which is happening every day. So, on Sunday, you raised the fist in honor of Colin Kaepernick?
MICHAEL MOORE: Yes, right. Well, I've been wearing Colin's jersey and the 49ers hat here for well over a year ago, since he first did that a year ago, last summer. And I participate in the NFL boycott. I don't watch any NFL games. I encourage people to boycott the sponsors of the NFL. The owners colluded to keep him from his job this year because he took a stand. What's real -- so this past -- so, a few Sundays ago, I got the whole audience, we all stood with these signs, hashtag #ImWithKap. And I put that out on the internet. But this Sunday, I wore the jersey, his jersey, the whole show. And the whole audience, or most of them, raised the fist there with me on the stage.
But what was interesting about this past Sunday -- I just want to say this -- is that it became more against Trump than about the original idea of what Colin was saying, which is that we have to take a stand against this brutality of police killing unarmed black citizens. And that's how this originally started. And the owners punished him for that. And it was supposed to send a message to the rest of the players: "Don't you take a stand. Don't you speak out politically." After Trump said what he said, then all -- it was clear all the players were all going to participate.
AMY GOODMAN: I want to go --
MICHAEL MOORE: Yeah.
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