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"Kasskara": The Other Sunken Continent

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To the east of Kasskara was "Talawaitichqua," or the "Eastern country," a word that means roughly, "Land of the Morning Sun." White Bear said there was a large "surface of water" between Kasskara and Talawaitichqua, which he identified as the land we call "Atlantis".

"At the beginning of the Third World people of Atlantis were as peaceful as us. We have of course the same divine origin. They had the same symbols as us. But with time they changed. They started to explore the secrets of the Creator that Man should not know. There exist secrets which are only intended for the divinity, and when men started to study them they infringed on this law. In fact man has the same capacity as the Creator, but the Creator maintains secrets that men should not seek to understand," White Bear said, noting that "this business concerning the secrets" is very serious." He drew a parallel to our time to help us understand what the Hopis believe.

"Your civilization developed many things -- airplanes, for example. When my uncle led me to Oraibi to see the ancient inscription of a jet, which is naturally much older than your jets of today, he said to me, 'It would be very good to fly again through the air as our people did in the past,'" White Bear explained. "When there is a catastrophe somewhere far away, one can bring help like food drugs and tools. But a plane can also bring death to men hundreds of miles away, and in doing that, one will disobey the divine law."

White Bear asks how we can exclude ourselves from responsibility if we assist in conducting research that leads to destructive ends "Let's suppose that you made a scientific discovery in the field of rocketry and that somebody makes a bad use of your discovery. You would not do it, but it is your discovery," White Bear insists. "Do you really know where your responsibility begins and ends?"

The Hopi do not oppose technology and endorse research that will help man stay alive and healthy. "The Creator wants us to do it. He wants us to benefit from our life and have as little heavy work as possible and that all that is good -- all the joy, all the happiness of this world should become ours," White Bear said. "But now [researchers] try to produce artificial life, and one day also a human. Well, these things you should not do!" He said we can summarize all that in two sentences: "The divine Creator said to us, 'If you want to be my children, you should not use your knowledge to destroy kill, or misuse what I gave you. If you do not respect this law you are not my children.'"

White Bear explained that towards the end of the Third World, a very powerful and beautiful woman called Kickmongwuity rose to power as the queen of Atlantis. She used her beauty to manipulate the chiefs of her people, receiving so many jewels that she received the nickname "the Turquoise Woman." Kickmongwuity used her powers to subject these personalities, including scientists and politicians, and in this way she became sovereign of the entire continent. White Bear pointed out that Atlantis was similar to England -- a small country with great influence. Atlantis eventually extended its influence farther to the east in what is today Europe and Africa.

"The inhabitants of Atlantis had researched secrets of the Creator for which they were not spiritually ready. They had obtained knowledge of such things too early and used it to subjugate other people, and in doing so infringed on the divine order. They also studied other planets, and they even went there," White Bear said. "These were dead planets where no one could live, so they had thus to remain on our good old Earth." White Bear explained the reasons Atlantis turned against Kasskara:

"They knew that morally and spiritually we were much stronger, and that made them envious. This is also why the queen wanted to conquer our country and to subjugate our people. She threatened our sovereign [and said that she would] join together all her spaceships above our continent and destroy us from up there. But he refused to give in. For a long time talks were held, which one can also call conferences. All the great men of that time held meetings."

"As I already said, there were among us people who had become avid seekers of status and power. Their religious belief became weaker, and people did not have much respect any more for one another. We were in a situation which one can compare very well with the current situation."

"Within time the influence of [Kickmongwuity] led to a schism between our people. She started to get some of our people on her side, those men seeking power I mentioned. They walked away from our laws and said to themselves, "If we choose the side of the people of Atlantis and accept their requirements" we might later acquire a fair share of the power.'"

"The malicious ones took over. They had studied many secrets of the Creator that humanity should not know but we did not take part in this. We wanted to be and remain peaceful people. I believe that actually it was the Creator who used his capacity to keep us away from these things."

"The chiefs met many times. But the group of those who had scientific knowledge was much stronger, and they came to attack my people with the material of their capacities and their invention," White Bear said. "From very high in the air they directed their magnetic force on our cities. But those of our people who had not left the true way of our Creator were gathered in a certain area in order to be saved."

The Hopi believe that technological civilizations have arisen previously, much further back in time than most conventionally educated people can accept. Our general cultural timeline sets "Western civilization" as being about six thousand years old, largely due to the biblical Genesis with its 4004 BC start date for creation. We vaguely acknowledge that the ancient cultures of China and India might be eight or ten thousand years old, but the notion that there existed any advanced civilization before the end of the last Ice Age just isn't occurring to most of us. As writer Graham Hancock says so elegantly, "We're a species with amnesia."

Yet, in the Dialogues of Timaeus and Critias, even Plato's unfinished account of Atlantis suggests that we should push back the dates of civilization to at least 11 thousand years. In the account Solon is told by an Egyptian temple priest at Sais of Egypt's ancient age. "O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you," the priest said. Solon asked him what he meant. "I mean to say that in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is hoary with age. And I will tell you why. There have been, and will be again, many destructions of man arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes," he said.

The priest explains to Solon that certain myths actually refer to astronomical phenomena. "There is a story, which even you (Greeks) have preserved, that once upon a time Phaeton, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his father's chariot, was not able to drive them in the path of his father and burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt. Now this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth, which recurs after long intervals," the priest told him, which may suggest why many ancient cultures diligently monitored astronomical cycles. Like the Hopi, the temple priest knew that over the ages technological civilizations have been destroyed by cataclysms and forgotten. Today, however, the prevailing attitude among most academics compels them to dismiss Plato's Atlantis tale as fabulous, despite its detail, just as others ignore the advanced mathematics and engineering necessary to have sited and built the Great Pyramid.

The Hopis don't perceive time in a straight line as we tend to. While we may assume that our civilization represents the pinnacle of human technological achievement, the Hopi wait patiently on their remote mesas for our version of civilization to disappear, which it inevitably must because it's disharmonious with the laws of the universe.

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