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Interview: McCain Fellow Hanoi Hilton POW & Naval Academy Dorm-mate

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Kall: Yeah, let me read what you wrote: "Senator John Sidney McCain III is a remarkable man who's made enormous personal achievement. He's a man that I'm proud to call a POW who returned with honor."

Butler: Absolutely.

Kall: So you're not any way like a Swiftboater; I just wanted to kind of clear that up right from the beginning.

Butler: No, I'm not in any way in concert with the Swiftboat Liars.

Kall: Yes. OK, what I wanted to do was kind of go into some of the things you said in your article, and kind of go into them in a little more detail. Sound OK?

Butler: Sure

Kall: All right, so, you say, you were basically, you got there; you were a freshman when he was a senior, so you spent a year at the Naval Academy, with him, living directly across the hall from him, apparently, right?

Butler: Yeah, as improbable as that is, because you know, strangely, out of three thousand six hundred midshipmen we had spread out in twenty four companies; I happened to fall into the Seventeenth Company, and right straight across the hall from John McCain and his roommate, I and my two roommates found ourselves living in the Seventeenth Company.

Kall: So you write he was intent on breaking every U.S. Naval Academy regulation in our four inch thick Naval Academy Regulations book and I believe he must have come as close to his goal as any midshipman who ever attended the academy.

Butler: We used to say that for John it was an art form, I mean, you know, it took more than intelligence and an active imagination; it was an art form for him, and he was a wild and irascible midshipman in those days.

Kall: What kind of rules did he break?

Butler: Everything you can imagine from being out over the wall at night, to just-- There were thousands of rules that could be broken and John, I think, had a go at all of them and he spent a lot of time also on detention his first class year, on, as we called it, restriction. Because of the ones that he broke and got caught at.

Kall: I'm wondering, were there any that were really bad or were they just misbehavior--?

Butler: I think they were misbehavior, I think that they were just in his "wild and wooly" nature, which, by the way carried on after he graduated when he became a Navy pilot; before he was shot down over Vietnam, he crashed several airplanes. He was a wild risk-taker and he still, I think to this day, If you watch him and read things about him, I think he practices-- brinkmanship.

Kall: Brinkmanship. So would you think that the average student at the Naval Academy could have gotten away with this, or would they have been thrown out?

Butler: Well, there was talk amongst those of us who I know and knew in that day, and not just my classmates but his classmates and those in between that he probably had a leg up in surviving this because he was the son of what was then a pretty high ranking Navy captain, who later became an admiral, and the grandson of a Navy admiral, so he was in a lineage of, you know, admiralty, in McCain.

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