AMY GOODMAN: So, talk about what's at risk, from agency to agency.
ROBERT WEISSMAN: Right. Well, there's a couple ways to think about it. One is the things that they are not doing. And the agencies are not doing a lot, as you were describing earlier. So, the EPA has cut back on routine inspections of plants and toxic facilities. The Food and Drug Administration is not doing its regular inspections of food packaging facilities. The pipeline safety agency is scaling back its inspections. The Securities and Exchange Commission is more or less shut down, which means it's not really able to investigate anything. The efforts at the Federal Communication Commission -- or, the Federal Trade Communication to monitor ongoing consumer fraud, shut down. So, all this stuff is happening, and the corporations who were normally being inspected or held into account at least a little bit by government enforcement, it's free rein for them right now. And there's really no avenue of redress for consumers, for these very immediate things that are happening.
You know, maybe one of the most worrisome ones, in addition to TSA, is at the Federal Aviation Administration, where inspection of airplanes, the routine inspection by the government, has been suspended. The companies still do their own inspection, but, you know, I feel a lot safer knowing that the government is independently doing inspections. And that's not happening. So, that's one whole huge category.
The other category is things that are still going on by these workers who -- these employees who are forced to work even though they're not being paid. That's a huge number of government functions. It's not possible for people who are not being paid to do their job well. It just has to be the case, if you're worried about paying your bills, your credit card, what you're going to do with your kids, you're upset, and you're not focused on the job, and you're not going to do as good a job. So, the air traffic controllers are still at work, but they're not being paid, and you've got to worry about how well they're able to do their job. You've reported it also, you know, at the border. The border agents are not being paid right now. So, it has to be that they're going to be worse at their job, more brutal, shorter-tempered and so on. And as this drags on, it's going to get more and more severe.
There are also a category of government activities that either have stopped or are going to stop in the future, including, that you talked about, the provision of -- the deal-making for contracts for low-income people. We may see a total end to payments for food stamps at the end of the -- sometime in February. Funding for the federal courts, at least on the civil side -- well, funding for the federal courts is going to run out later this month, and probably most civil suits in federal courts are going to be suspended. This stuff is going to really stack up as we move forward.
AMY GOODMAN: FDA. We all remember what happened around the holidays with the romaine lettuce recall, which has just been announced to be over. What would happen if something like that happened right now at the FDA, Rob?
ROBERT WEISSMAN: Well, the things that are life-threatening, either with regard to food safety or other things, they say, "Look, we've got that covered." The problem is, you don't know that something is life-threatening until it emerges as an outbreak. So then they'll be staffed on it, and they'll find a way to deal with it, on an emergency recall like that. But they won't do their forward-looking inspections that might have prevented it in the first place.
It's the exact same thing at the highway -- the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Routine recalls and inspections aren't going on. If there's something that's urgent and life-threatening, once they've discovered it to be so, they have the capacity to act. But we're not going to know about it until, you know, a bubbling problem becomes a crisis -- something that would have been prevented if they were properly staffed.
AMY GOODMAN: I want to ask you about the Fox News -- how Fox News is covering the shutdown. In this clip, you hear Steve Doocy and Fox & Friends, but first Fox contributor Charlie Hurt.
CHARLES HURT: You could shut down half of the government agencies, and literally it would be years -- if it were not for the media, it would be years before the regular person, the normal, average working American, would even know that the department had been shut down, in terms of, you know, how much it affects their lives.
STEVE DOOCY: A lot of people across the country don't even notice that part of the federal government is shut down.
AMY GOODMAN: So, sort of suggesting that the government workers are not normal Americans. But, Rob Weissman, Fox using this as an argument to downsize government?
ROBERT WEISSMAN: Yeah, absolutely. I think that there's sort of two strains that are coming together in this, for sure on Fox, but also in the administration. One strain is the hard-cored ideologues who actually want to shrink government. This is -- it's a business-friendly argument, but it's even beyond business, because they're actually impacting things that business absolutely needs to go forward. So that's one strain. You have these hardcore people. In the government, it would be someone like chief of staff -- or, the acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney.
The other strain is people who are just stupid and ignorant, who have heard all this stuff about how the government doesn't do anything, actually have no idea what the government actually does, and will just repeat dumb things because they've got no idea and they're informed by this hardcore ideology.
I think that comment you just played is probably a mix of both those things. I think President Trump himself and most of the White House fall in both these categories. They actually don't know. There have been a lot of reports that when they forced the shutdown, they didn't realize, gosh, the government does a lot of stuff, there's going to be a lot of impacts about this. You know, I think one thing that they picked up on was, they didn't want pictures of the national parks being shut down, so they've left the parks open, unsafely, without staffing. But they just mostly don't know what the government does -- the government they're in charge of running.
AMY GOODMAN: And we're going to talk about the parks in a minute.