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When I raised James Madison's role in crafting a Constitution that mentions impeachment no fewer than six times, he replied: Madison did not say Conyers has to impeach every one. Why, if I had to impeach everyone for high crimes and misdemeanors, that's all my committee would have time to do.

I learned in Rhetoric 101 the name of that technique: reductio ad absurdam.

How about just Bush and Cheney, we suggested.

Conyers protested that he would need 218 votes in the House and complained that the votes are not there. His priorities showed through in his loud lament that if he fell short of the 218 votes, the Republicans and Fox News would have a field day.

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There was no getting through to Conyers, who seemed astonished at the direct questions we were posing.

In reflecting on this later, the dictum of my father, also a lawyer, began to ring in my ears: "When you reach the age of 'statutory senility,' you do everyone a favor if you retire."

He followed his own example, when he retired as Chancellor of the Board of Regents of the University of the State of New York, long before senility-statutory, or otherwise-set in for him.

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Septuagenarian Conyers (and, for that matter, 80-year-old Senator John Warner, R-Virginia, who has also forgotten his sworn duty to uphold the Constitution) would do well to heed that advice.

Toward the end of the meeting, Conyers showed uncommon chutzpah in referring to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. That was too much for me.

You're no Martin Luther King, I found myself wanting to say. Instead, I quoted a portion of Dr. King's famous address at Riverside Church almost 40 years ago:

"We must speak with all the humility that is appropriate to our limited vision, but we must speak....there is such a thing as being too late....Life often leaves us standing bare, naked, and dejected with lost opportunity....Over the bleached bones of numerous civilizations are written the pathetic words: 'Too late.'"

I used that quote in a letter I left with Conyers' aides on Monday, in which I tried to express why my colleagues in Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity feel it is URGENT to find some way to apply the Constitution to restrain a run-away Executive.

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A Note to Congressman John Conyers:
On Impeachment and the EdmundPettusBridge

Dear John,

We each have our favored crime for which President Bush and Vice President Cheney should be impeached. Many of us have several.

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By failing to Impeach 'our' world-class war criminals Bush and Cheney, Pelosi's Signal Callers have no right to impeach any President.

By failing to investigate 9/11...

Etc.

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Right on, Kenneth.

It doesn't matter, anyway, of course. Without the two-thirds of the Senate necessary to convict--which Pelosi and Co. most definitely do not have, and know they don't have--impeachment would amount to nothing more than grandstanding and a waste of government resources.

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Yes, "IMPEACH", and "forthwith"- "10 Impeachable Offenses"- #SignThePetition (over 1 million signatures).

Pelosi has "a wait and see" ("we have to be strategic in whatever we do"), attitude for Trump - for W Bush and Cheney (#IraqWar - "Fraudulent Justification" Article II Bush Articles of Impeachment), however, she immediately decided, when asked about "impeaching" by Diane Sawyer, replying "as I've always said impeachment is off the table" (who gave Pelosi the "right" to take "impeachment" off the table), even before she was sworn in as the new House Speaker, 110th/111th Super Democrat Majority Congress.

Conyers would "hem & haw" about starting "Impeachment Hearings" for Bush & Cheney when Rob asked him to begin the Hearings- and don't wait.

Conyers failed to hold Hearings on the 9/11 Treason Memo that was submitted to him in November, 2006 (9/11 Treason ("summarized in terms of six questions"). #PrimaFacieEvidence of #911Treason. #PrePlantedExplosives "used at the WTC" 9/11 #PentagonAttack.

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Trump Campaign Had More Than 100 Contacts With Russia-Linked Operatives: Report

These contacts included at least 28 meetings, both in person and over Skype, and involved several prominent members of Trump's inner circle.


As a friend said: "Nothing to see here, folks! Move along! Witch hunt! No smocking guns! No collusion! A presidential campaign constantly in contact with Russian operatives is totally normal! Why is fake news still talking about this? Remember the lady getting government email on her own email server? Lock her up! Or talk about the wall! Or something! Just stop talking about this!"

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Theater.

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"A half-dozen Democrats on Wednesday introduced articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump, accusing him of obstruction of justice and other offenses, in a long-shot effort that stands little chance in the Republican-led House" - YouTube.


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Oh My !! That was over one year ago - things have changed "Big Time" !! The Democrats gained "a super Majority in the House" - they really need to #DrainTheSwamp starting at the very top, of course. Bi-partsian supprt "NOT NECESSARY". A "simple majority vote" in the House is all it takes - our Founding Fathers "made it so" even if the Republican led Senate does not have the Republican votes for a trial and "removal from office"

Getting "impeached by a Democrat House" would leave Trump with some noticable "blemishes" and "a lot of explaining to do" come the 2020 presidential election - #SenseOfDuty.


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Exactly.

When Nancy Pelosi announced "impeachment is off the table," Bush and Cheney were apparently calling the shots (although there may have been a layer above them issuing higher orders).

Recent events indicate (to me at least) that then President Obama was included in the order to stay in line, along with other members of The Club including former President Clinton, to support Nancy's edict.

It's obvious that most people don't believe that 'the system' works this way, but the 'thinking of the majority' doesn't mean squat.

Now this Pseudo-Eclectic Crew of Patriots is urging Pelosi to impeach Trump - in order to bring things back to 'normal'.

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Obama, Holder, Pelosi, Reid, Boehner, Conyers, apparently were NOT ABLE to overcome "the political capital and favor" of W Bush - they all "let him slide" and "walk away clean" and "take the country with him" (e.g. #PreEmptiveWars permitted if the president says so #2001AUMF #2003AUMF #NurembergCrimes.

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Excellent. Your characterizations of George W. Bush and Pelosi are well done.

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John Podesta is on the Board of Directors. Podesta was one of those who began the CIA/DNC Russiagate psyop. Russiagate was a contingy plan developed before the election. The article referred to is full of lies like Podcesta. Podesta should be incacerated with the rest of the neocon war profiteers/criminals.

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If she wouldn't impeach the mass murdering war criminal bush in 2006, she won't impeach trump now.


Plus, the Dems want to run against him in 2020 thinking it would be an easy win.


Just like they thought in 2016.

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An impeachment against Bush would have undoubtedly brought on deeper probes into the "Pearl Harbor" event and hence impeachment was off the table. With Trump there is the fear factor, not knowing what he has up his sleeve. For example, what was his intent upon signing the order to have military tribunals on January 1, 2019? I believe above all of the bluster of the Democrats there is fear. Haven't heard much coming from the likes of Hillary lately. Hmmm..remember, she did say, if Trump wins we'll all be wearing nooses.

Just saying

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Good point Dennis. The criminal stench rising up from DC is enough to make the worst of the underworld crime syndicate drop dead. They all have so much dirt on each other that no one dares say a word. Talk about collusion.

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Lois, I'm beginning to think in order to become powerful in our gov't, you have to have a giant-sized chunk of dirt in your past. That way you can be blackmailed into staying in line with the deep and deeper state. (I'm thinking of Skull and Bones and their purported initiation rites)

I think if you're just someone who wants to get something good going, and you happen to get elected despite the system, you'll be swiftly rendered impotent and never rise beyond 'rookie.'

Criminal stench is a good phrase.

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I hope to heck you're right about the fear, Dennis, and I hope it's big. Because it's about freakin' time somebody(thing) is afraid for their future besides 'ordinary' people.

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Remember, he did say he was going to drain the swamp and Hillary did, in fact, say they'd all be wearing nooses.


Trump did say 2019 was going to be an interesting year just sit back and enjoy the ride.


Just a curious question - does anyone know what Mattis and Sessions are up to these days?

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One more question. Why would John Kasich say John McCain was "put to death"?

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