R.K.: You're a tech guy, you understand computers and you understand technology. How about Hayden? What was he like? What is he like in terms of, I would think that in order to lead such a tech heavy, tech dependent organization you have really got to have your head around technology. What was Hayden like?
W.B.: He was a good administrative type person with a history background, I think he's a major in history. He wasn't a technician so you know, he could I guess think of a historical relationships and things like that and how people relate so I guess he was a people-oriented kind of manager but he was not a technology manager.
R.K.: So did he do email, did do basic stuff?
W.B.: I don't -
R.K.: I've heard some stories that some of these guys just were like Luddites, they totally avoided all technology.
W.B.: I think he basically depended on other people to inform him on this kind of information. In other words, he was taking advice from the established management structure.
R.K.: So okay.
W.B.: I mean that's the way I guess it went. I don't know. He never came down to talk to the technology people in my area.