R.K.: I love it. I love it, I wrote this article quoting you and in it I said that people have to just wake up and realize that their face is in the gutter and they've hit bottom and we're talking about America and democracy because of the way NSA and Obama have been operating. We're working with the same metaphor there.
W.B.: Unfortunately that's correct. It really is.
R.K.: So this is the Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show WNJC 1360 AM out of Washington Township reaching Metro Philly sponsored by opednews.com. Opednews.com is the place where you're going to get light cast where you don't see it cast from the mainstream media. It's going to give you a perspective and it's going to ask question that you don't get asked elsewhere.
I'm talking with Bill Binney. Bill was a high level member of NSA, a tech guy, I spoke with him for quite a few hours yesterday before and after he gave a lecture and at dinner, and I have got to say Bill, you're a really smart guy.
W.B.: I look at myself and I just look at myself as a very practical, simple thinking, straight forward, common sense kind of person.
R.K.: Well I get a chance with this radio show to interview some of the smartest people in the world and you're right up there, you're a really sharp guy. You're a really smart guy. I was very impressed by you, for whatever that's worth. You have had an experience with dealing with money and NSA and you talked about that. You had a program that was running that was working that was constitutionally legal and in your opinion and other people's opinion more effective than the current NSA giant haystack program. So, what was it costing NSA?
W.B.: The cost to develop that program was about 3.2 million dollars from beginning to end. And we had it deployed at the end in two, three separate sites doing running twenty four hours a day inputting data all the way to the analysts.
R.K.: And that was Thin Thread, right?
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Rob Kall is an award winning journalist, inventor, software architect,
connector and visionary. His work and his writing have been featured in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, CNN, ABC, the HuffingtonPost, Success, Discover and other media. He's given talks and workshops to Fortune
500 execs and national medical and psychological organizations, and pioneered
first-of-their-kind conferences in Positive Psychology, Brain Science and
Story. He hosts some of the world's smartest, most interesting and powerful
people on his Bottom Up Radio Show,
and founded and publishes one of the top Google- ranked progressive news and
opinion sites, OpEdNews.com
more detailed bio:
Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind. Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives one person at a time was too slow, he founded Opednews.com-- which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big) to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project.
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