H1: And Campbell had a big impact on the, I, I read several of his books along with some of the Jung. He was also very much influenced by Young.
H2: You're also taking me back in time because I did my master's thesis in the education on Paulo Freire. Interestingly, the way I presented is ah, I wrote this script where I was in-interviewing a friend of mine who I had stand in for Paulo Freire, and of course I had to teach this friend how Freire thought but I was asking questions and then I opened it up to the audience to ask questions and some of my professors said that they forgot that they weren't actually talking to Freire, that they got so drawn in to the dialogue and the question and the, the urgency of his ideas, that they felt that they were. And I said to them well you know of course you are talking to, to him, he's talking to all of us and as we answer and ask questions that I'll have to go back to reading Freire again.
R: It's, it's, it's a simple concept really but it's one that i think so many activists forget that they can't do the change for the people that are advocating for, they have to awaken those people and teach them how to help themselves. And that ,they can do.
H2: hmm. Mhmm. I think it's Freire that said that " the word is the world. " And when when you open the word up to people when they begin to realize that they have something to say, they almost automatically become literate and become in-communication with all thought everywhere.
R: It's a way to give people power
R: It's a way to let people discover their power and that's huge.
H1: Well yeah and I think that's, that's the foundation I, I mean I see it in your work and also hopefully it comes through in mine, is that the power is going to have to come from each, each one of us within our communities and that sort of thing.
R: Yeah I, I have to tell ya, Burl, I really love the writing that you do and the work that you do.
H1: Thank you
R: It's, it's really good stuff. You know, can I talk a little about OpEdNews?
H2: Certainly! Please do.
R: I started Opednews as my personal blog and I started inviting people to write for it and then , after about two year,s I got - started getting a lot of people to write for it and it got to the point where I couldn't upload by FTP, and create the files and the articles for everybody each day so I, I worked with a programmer and designed a content management system to do it so that people could submit their content directly. And I didn't know about Word Press, or Blogger, so I built my own and I've been working on that and continuing to build my own content management system since two thousand five and then now it has over one hundred sixty five thousand articles on it and - what I learned as I was going along -- was this bottom up idea. Opednews - what I found was, the more I got the writers and the editors involved, I, I started recruiting editors, we have,at any one time we have between thirty five and fifty volunteer editors usually, the more I got them involved, the more I gave them the voice and the control with decision making the better it got the more successful it got. And I really believe Opednews is kind of unique, the -- it - we give people the place where they can have a voice. If you can write coherently and intelligently, you're going to get published in Opednews unless you're talking about hate or just right wing stuff. I mean, we're a left wing progressive site, so we're not going to publish you if you're advocating that anybody can have a gun at any time for example or that- creationism is, should be treated with equal footing with scientific ideas about evolution. But ye- we've published people from all over the world. Last month we reached people in two hundred and eleven countries (and territories)