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Christie Could Face RICO Charges-- Says Blagojevich Defense Attorney Sam Adam Jr.-- Interview Transcript

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On Sunday, January 19, 2014, I interviewed attorney Sam Adam Jr., ranked one of the top 100 defense attorneys in America,  who defended Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich in his first corruption trial. This is the interview transcript of   the  radio interview : in which Sam Adam Jr.  Comments on Chris Christie's situation and compares Christie's case to Blagojevich's.

According to Mr. Adam, Chris Christie is in a world of trouble, and could face RICO or mail and wire fraud charges. 

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ROB KALL.: And welcome to the Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show, WNJC 1360 AM, out of Washington Township reaching Metro Philly and South Jersey.  Available online through iTunes or go to and on iTunes look for my name, Rob Kall, K A L L.  My guest tonight is Sam Adam, Jr.  He is an attorney.  Matter of fact the National Trial Lawyers recently named him one of the top one hundred trial lawyers in America.  Mister Adam led the first defense team that represented the former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich in his 2010 Federal Corruption trial.  

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During that trial the former governor was convicted on just one count after the jury deadlocked on the remaining twenty three counts.  So I invited Sam to be on the show to talk about Chris Christie, he has had experience defending a governor who has been accused of corruption.  Welcome to the show, Sam.

S.A.: Appreciate you asking me, I'm glad to be here.  I will answer any questions you may have for me I am just really proud to be here.  

R.K.: Well it's great to have you here.  So, basically I am interested in your take on Christie and how it compares to the Blagojevich story and how you would look at this as a prosecutor and as a defense attorney.

S.A.: Well I have got to tell you when you first contacted me I didn't see too much of a comparison but over the last twenty four hours I can see a lot of comparison between the Blagojevich case and the Christie case and how it's going to develop.  

I think after yesterday's press conference and coming out by the Hoboken Mayor out there, Christie had a lot of problems and I can answer as far as the prosecution, how I would handle it, as also as a defense attorney, what I think needs to be done.  But I see Chris Christie having a lot of problems now underneath the wire fraud, maybe a RICO statutes as well coming down the line.

R.K.: RICO, how is that?

S.A.: Well, as I am watching this progress, when you're talking about Bridgegate, you know where supposedly one of his underlings shut down the George Washington Bridge going down into New York, I wasn't so interested in that, but what happened in the last twenty four hours is, the Hoboken Mayor said that the Christie Administration through a Lieutenant Governor, as well as other aides of Christie have withheld Sandy funds because the Mayor of Hoboken will not approve a development in Hoboken connected to Christie.  

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Now that's a very important thing, that's exactly what happened with  Blagojevich.  For years here in Chicago and in Illinois, there were accusations being thrown about down in Springfield, in the capital, about  Blagojevich doing certain things in a corrupt pattern.  That he was connecting campaign funds with contracts.  

And it didn't really go anywhere for the first term that he had and it really didn't go anywhere in the second term until there were accusations made about the senate seat and that's what brought the Feds in and that's what made them truly start looking at all of these things and started to investigate it.  

Now Chris Christie, that's happening here.  As the Bridgegate comes out, which I don't think they're going to find too much of a criminal activity, certainly it doesn't look good, but as far as the law is concerned I don't care about that.  But the criminality of it is something that the Feds are going to focus on and what they're going to do is try to use Bridgegate here.  

Go in there and ask those questions and then use the grand jury to get at other areas where there might be a pay-to-play politics, where there might be one for the other where you might have a quid pro quo and if the Hoboken Mayor is correct or truthful that the Lieutenant Governor connected campaign funds with another project and the Christie administration is involved in that, that is certainly something that the Feds are going to be interested in and certainly something that looks like a quid pro quo so it's going to develop into much more than just this bridge incident.

R.K.: What about the criminality of Bridgegate?

S.A.: Well the truth of the matter is there are so many laws on the books that you can get anybody for anything if you want to.  Now what is very very concerning here is when it comes to, and I have to link these two because of the players involved here, one of the port authority, I guess aides or port authority persons for lack of a better term, involved here is an individual who also is involved with a law firm that was being used to lobby on behalf of the Rockefeller Group.  

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind. Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big) to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project.

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