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Virus Variant with 64% Higher Fatality Rate is About to Become Dominant in US

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Experts have said safety measures will be crucial because multiple variants of the virus are circulating -- including the highly contagious B.1.1.7 variant that was first identified in the UK.

B.1.1.7 is projected to become the dominant variant in the US by the end of this month or early April, Walensky said Monday. Because it is highly contagious, it could cause a surge in cases, and vaccination levels are not high enough to stop such a spike, experts have said.

Research published last week suggested that  the variant was associated with an estimated 64% higher risk of dying from Covid-19.

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Direct quote from the linked article:

"The study showed that the new variant was associated with 227 deaths in a sample of 54,906 patients -- compared with 141 deaths among the same number of patients infected with previous strains."

Conclusion: Be afraid, be VERY afraid.

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Conclusion: You weren't among them, so why should you give a sh*t?

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Ouch! Come on Al, Fred is right...for once. If you pause the sound of the interview to look at the pathetic faces of Coumo and Fauci, you gotta laugh! Look at the saucer-like eyes of Cuomo and the turned down mouth and rheumy eyes of Fauci. The body language alone seems sufficient for what goes as Oscar performances these days...and CNN? That's a nice shot at the silly, so called "left" audience.

What is the actual fatality rate of Covid19? Let's be generous and say it is .025. If the new? not sure new what, but let's call it fatality rate, is 64% higher then the fatality rate becomes nearly 4%. Of course we, you and I that is, don't know what the rate is, because those experts who should know are either incompetent or lying to us. Hell they can't even decide how to characterize the cause of death, or explain how a case is different than a Covid19 infection or how many flu deaths have been characterized as Covid19 deaths or how many cases are due to the hoaxifying slowly decomposing PCR test. Lies, lies, everywhere, Al and not a drop of truth to spare.

Come on Al, give us better clues. Help a brother out here. I know you want to. You still crack me up though. Thanks!

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I've been wondering where you've been, me bruddah! Always nice to schmooze with someone with more between the ears than a hearty guffaw...

Anyway, you really don't leave me much to work with since no one really knows anything. But it is curious that the fatality stats seems to be consistent worldwide, even where they don't know from Cuomo or Fauci.

So what are you saying, exactly? If you lived on a block populated by 200 people, and one of them died from a very contagious virus, your wise counsel would be...

A. "F*ck 'em!"

B. "Call Fred W!"

C. "Let's see how we might contain this."

To me, (and this is just me, mind you) I am soooo very old that I have quite distinct memories of the Spanish Flu Epidemic of 1918 (more lies...), and unless Fauci has been tweaking the stats on that one, too, it seems very possible for the fatalities to top 100,000, 000 on these suckers when one opts for A or B.

So, with all due respect... bite me!!!

Hahahahahahahahahahaha...

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The misconceptions around long Covid are due in part to the mistaken belief that it is rare. But it's not. Approximately 30 percent of Covid patients in a new but small study from the University of Washington reported that symptoms persisted months after their infection. If confirmed on a bigger scale, this suggests that long Covid could be one of the largest mass disabling events in modern history.

There could be millions of Americans experiencing long Covid, and many may need health care and workplace accommodations.

Long Covid Is Not Rare. It's a Health Crisis.

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The small study indicates that 84.7% of the outpatients had mild symptoms. As you probably recognize, the fact that there were reported persistent symptoms does not necessarily mean that they were Covid related. Afterall, the planet is very germy with humans and all especially those humans creating more pathogens for the sake of...what exactly? To make a vaccine to protect us from a disease we have yet to get? Hmmm! Sounds kind of fishy, don't you think?

The following summary is from the study you cite. It has not been cited thus far, except by you know who.

Sequelae in Adults at 6 Months After COVID-19 Infection

A total of 177 of 234 participants (75.6%; mean [range] age, 48.0 [18-94] years; 101 [57.1%] women)

with COVID-19 completed the survey. Overall, 11 (6.2%) were asymptomatic, 150 (84.7%) were outpatients with mild illness, and 16 (9.0%) had moderate or severe disease requiring hospitalization

(Table). Hypertension was the most common comorbidity (23 [13.0%]). The follow-up survey was completed a median (range) of 169 (31-300) days after illness onset among participants with COVID-19 (Figure, A) and 87 (71-144) days after enrollment among 21 patients in the control group.

Among participants with COVID-19, persistent symptoms were reported by 17 of 64 patients (26.6%) aged 18 to 39 years, 25 of 83 patients (30.1%) aged 40 to 64 years, and 13 of 30 patients (43.3%) aged 65 years and older. Overall, 49 of 150 outpatients (32.7%), 5 of 16 hospitalized patients (31.3%), and 1 of 21 healthy participants (4.8%) in the control group reported at least 1 persistent symptom.

Of 31 patients with hypertension or diabetes, 11 (35.5%) experienced ongoing symptoms.

The most common persistent symptoms were fatigue (24 of 177 patients [13.6%]) and loss of sense of smell or taste (24 patients [13.6%]) (Figure, B). Overall, 23 patients (13.0%) reported other symptoms, including brain fog (4 [2.3%]). A total of 51 outpatients and hospitalized patients (30.7%) reported worse HRQoL compared with baseline vs 4 healthy participants and asymptomatic patients (12.5%); 14 patients (7.9%) reported negative impacts on at least 1 activity of daily living (ADL), the most common being household chores.

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It doesn't sound copacetic to me. Do you need 100% being unable to walk or breath for it to be a real problem? So, I guess your choice actually would be "A": F*ck 'em! Don't bother me with their sh*t...?

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You are bitten you little vampire you. The consistency seems to be that almost every country has its own definition and consequently counting system. The Chinese started by doing autopsies and looking at the lungs, remember the ground glass description? The same description circulating in the US right after Ft. Detrick was temporarily closed, Trump late to the show blamed it on vaping but the word was already out in back channels to blame the head shops, so states started "outlawing" vaping supplies/pipes. China health authorities quickly decided that xrays were too slow given how fast the disease was spreading, so they started to look at antibodies and again decided that there was too much of a time lag to pin down the growth rate between infection and immunity then they went to the PCR test which is where the world has been for more than a year and by now as the concerns about its inaccuracies become a mountain, mind you the Chinese still hadn't isolated the genetic structure of what was causing the disease, but chimed in with the WHO that it must be a virus, the rest of the world followed suit...but hold the phone! Now the WHO finally joins in with the dissidents, international and domestic terrorists' crowd regarding the lack of standard for the cycle threshold count, which has generally been admitted to be agressive and therefore exceedingly erroneous for diagnosis of the disease, you know like a 90% error rate of false positives ... mind you we still don't know what is causing the disease but it has been okay to ramp up the fear, mix up what people are dying from and switch to calling everything cases. Okay time for a sentence break and new paragraph.

If the incompetence of the experts and their science was liken to that of American football running backs, they would all get Heisman trophies for the incredible reversals and broken field running they have done. Of course you are correct. WTF do we know? Just when I think I have a handle it gets broken. The question inquiring minds don't seem to be able to ask or sustain, is, who is responsible...actually the question should be asking is, when are we hang the mofos?

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Nice rant! But I'm not sure "hangin' the mofos" is as scientific efficacious as you suggest (assuming there even are a sufficient number of bona fide mofos guilty enough to be hung...)

I'm a fairly simple man when it comes to these things. I'm afraid I'm just gullible enough to believe there actually is a highly contagious virus which is potentially fatal and possibly disabling. I also tend to believe that already over half a million people in the US would still alive if not for it, and that that number would increase exponentially if the current measures such as masks/lockdowns/social distancing were not observed.

Let the mofos beat one another up over the particulars and... sue me.

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I am not disputing that indeed there is something making us sick. I don't think "The sky is falling come get your DNA altered" mantra is reasonable. Do you?

What happened to rational debate and discussion of the science? Why is it necessary to censor debate? I agree with you because I thought that has been your point all along.

I have not heard whether it is possible to immediately undue the changes caused a DNA altering experimental medical device such as the Mr. NA. Do you mean to tell me that I can't ask that question and get an answer as a precondition to my acceptance of becoming alienated? Well excuse me, Where is the god damn Plan B AL?

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Who exactly is stopping you? I just thought it was settled quite some time ago... If one's primary source on the subject is the peanut gallery at OEN, then I suspect we'll never see quite eye-to-eye on the matter, though....

Fact-check: Will a COVID-19 vaccine alter your DNA?

Covid-19 Vaccines Can't Alter Your DNA, Here's Why Fact vs. fiction: Can the COVID-19 vaccine change your DNA? (University of Pittsburgh Medical Center officials said it does not change your DNA. In fact, it never even enters the part of the cell where your DNA is located.)

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines. CDC

Fact Check-The COVID-19 vaccine does not change recipients' genetic makeup

No, the Moderna and Pfizer RNA vaccines for COVID-19 will not "permanently alter your DNA"

9 Common COVID-19 Vaccine Myths Explained

No, the vaccine will not alter your DNA or give you COVID-19

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I hope we all know by now what a 'sick' joke the PCR test is in relation to its use as a diagnostic test. What I didn't know until recently is that the PCR test, just like these horrific so-called 'vaccines', was only given an Emergency Use Authorization and still possesses just that. It was never approved, and yet all media and network 'scientists' call it the "gold standard" and use it as an excuse to lock us down, convince normally intelligent people to cover and restrict their breathing orifices and stop going to work. Hmmm...I thought we went off the "gold standard" many years ago.

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You may not accept this, but (according to Johns Hopkins) the US case fatality rate for Covid-19 infections is 1.8%. Many countries already have rate of 3-5% (Mexico's is 9% and Yemen is 23.5%).

MORTALITY ANALYSES

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I can't get the link to work. This is the message I get:

The page you requested is no longer here.

The case fatality rate is an interesting concept. Give me some ideas about how to abuse it and mislead people.

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Really? I just went there. This doesn't work?:

Covid-19 Mortality Rates

Wikipedia has essentially the same info.

Rates

Yeah, abuse and misinterpret the results and be sure to get back to me...

I'm going out for lunch (with a mask...)

:)

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His second link worked for me. For a bit of perspective, the page shows two sets of numbers, the second being the total deaths per hundred thousand people. In that one, the highest number country was Czechia and the number was 225, which works out to 2.25 people per thousand, with the US number being 1.64 per thousand. In other words, if you lived in a very small town of 1000 people and given the median Covid death age of 82, perhaps one person over 82 and perhaps one person under 82 (with that person likely to be perhaps 70), and both likely to have had other comorbitities, died in the last year with some illness the authorities link to Covid, meaning that the person had tested positive sometime around their time of death. So perhaps one of them actually died from Covid?

Even though the above makes Covid not sound all that threatening, the likely Covid deaths, as measured by "excess" deaths for the time period, make Covid almost as lethal as cancer or heart disease. If the internet devoted as much space to those, also, along with a few other major causes of death, there would hardly be room left to talk about what Bill Maher recently called the two largest preoccupations of the left and right, whether Mr. Potatohead has a d__k or whether the lizard people are coming to eat our babies.

By the way, I broke down and got my first jab two days ago. I already like Big Brother better.

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By another perspective, 164 per thousand works out to 164,000 per hundred million and nearly 500,000 for 300,000,000, which (surprise!) is right where we are. And this is with the lockdowns, masks and social distancing; and doesn't include any of the longterm disabilities which we are now seeing, or any possibility of second and third waves.

If you prefer to believe that the people with co-morbidities would have died anyway, that's just the kind of baseless, unsubstantiated (and irresponsible) thinking that has distinguished certain aspects of OEN for some time; very similar, to me, as asserting that preventive measures have really made no difference in the number of fatalities.

Thank goodness none of you "so much smarter than the experts" will ever be offered a job in public health...

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As for the claim that those people would have died anyway:

there were 2,854,838 deaths in 2019, which is accurate according to the CDC's final 2019 mortality report.

According to the latest updatefrom the CDC's provisional death counts, there were at least 3.2 million U.S. deaths in 2020.

Fact check: The US saw more deaths in 2020 than in 2019, driven by the COVID-19 pandemic

That's a difference of about 400,000 people right there, not counting the fatalities during the first 3 months of 2021.

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I think it was Confucius who said: "He who can't think his way out of a paper bag, probably shouldn't climb in to begin with."

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Want to give me some odds that the Confucius said that?

I think you just made that sh*t up AL. I've decided to capitalize the letter "L" because the default font causes the lower case(L) l to look like capitalized (I) i. Hope you don't mind unless you don't care whether you are addressed as ai or AI.

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Anything that makes you happy. You'd actually be the third person to address me as "AI". But, for the record, I'm not on speaking terms with the first two...

:)

btw: Foosh and I actually hung out a lot right before the Spanish Flu Epidemic. Not so much afterwards, because the guy would smile through just about anything...

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Uh, I think we're in basic agreement about the number of deaths from Covid, and although it hadn't really come up here before, we probably agree pretty much that masks, distancing, and the rest have kept some damper on the damage. I think what we may disagree on is that you find it heartless to discuss the harm caused by the lockdowns. Admittedly, it is harder to quantify that harm: one can't just point to a number of deaths by suicide or lives damaged by depression or job loss or young lives constricted by lack of education. But that certainly exists. And as for quantifying that harm, just as an example, compare a child who now will never buy a house or have a spouse and children over the course of the rest of her life with an octogenarian who dies a year earlier than he would have.

I know it sounds like I'm trying to have it both ways: agreeing that the lockdown measures have helped prevent more people from dying while at the same time talking against the lockdown effects. But it's true: while there is some help from the lockdowns (I'm using the word as a shorthand for all the preventative measures), the statistics actually show that states like Florida and Texas do not compare too badly with California and New Jersey. That is to say, you can credit some but not all the lack of more deaths or blame some but not all the deaths on lockdown or lack of lockdown. But the pernicious effects of lockdown certainly exist.

Also, I wish you could be a little more temperate in your ad hominem attacks. I'm easily tough enough to chuckle at them, but it's really not a civil way to behave and it just creates unnecessary friction in what should be, in my opinion, a rational discussion.

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What you seem to want both ways is that the number of deaths due to Covid-19 is statistically insignificant and that we essentially agree on it.

I'm sorry if I come across as harsh sometimes. But as much as I do try to control it, that just seems to be the only appropriate way to address some of the things you say...

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"But as much as I do try to control it, that just seems to be the only appropriate way to address some of the things you say..."

Well, you probably have a good point: my wife often says the same thing to me!

But, you know, my main point is not that the deaths are statistically insignificant, since deaths are deaths, no matter how few, but that there is considerable damage from the lockdowns, too, and that that needs to be balanced with the (likely) increased deaths if their were no lockdowns.

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Just out of curiosity: if it were up to you, would there be lockdowns or not?

PS My deepest sympathies to your wife...

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Thanks for the update. We have to start at square one.

What is a confirmed cause of death? Remember how that jerk of a governor of New York racked up death totals by classifying them as covid? The reimbursement from the feds was almost double of what it would have been if classified otherwise. One then has to ask, why did the federal govt want to provide incentives to states to over count covid deaths? Who instructed the US govt to do that? This seems to be a reasonable question especially with billion$ on the table. Notice how the Donald didn't complain? Instead of labeling me an anti-vaxxer or domestic terrorist or deplatforming inquiring subscribers, why not provide a transparent answer? It is interesting how both the left and right have joined restricting speech.

It should be clear that this is not solely a republican or Democrat narrative initiative.

Where in the US constitution are the people warned to curtail speech, even offensive speech? Could it be the amended unratified version, the "patriot" act and its annually reanimated brother, "authorization for the use of military force"?

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Pretty much agree with all that. Another thing that governor did, it sounds like, was kill a lot of old people by causing hospitals to send active Covid cases into nursing homes, thereby spreading the disease and killing lots of old people who maybe wouldn't have died otherwise. Of the 30k odd deaths in NY, I think a pretty large percentage were people in nursing homes. And, I'm not sure whose fault it was, and perhaps it can be chalked off to honest error, but the overuse of ventilators in NY apparently killed a lot of people who otherwise wouldn't have died. And that governor, if memory serves me right, played a pretty big part in the "rush to ventilate".

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Poor Yemen...another reason not to trust the experts.

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Hey Shad, I know you meant .04%, not 4%, so just ignore this comment...

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I'm no better than the experts it seems! Thanks Kenneth. Keep the frequency!

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What would this "pandemic" be without the 24-hr. a day FEAR PORN (this headline a perfect example) ? Answer: nothing.

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We could have just used Ivermectin instead of vaccinations and saved a lot of money and a lot of lives!

Israel v Zimbabwe - Vaccinations v Ivermectin - Gumshoe News

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top Yale doctor.........

Top Yale Doctor/Researcher: 'Ivermectin works,' including for long-haul COVID (trialsitenews.com)

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