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House Democrats subpoena Rudy Giuliani for Ukraine documents

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Rudy Giuliani has been subpoenaed by the House Intelligence Committee to produce documents by Oct. 15 related to his and President Trump's alleged efforts to push the government of Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden. Over the past year, Giuliani has met with a variety of Ukrainian officials in an effort to investigate baseless allegations that Biden forced Ukraine to fire a prosecutor investigating his son, Hunter. In a July phone call that is now at the heart of House Democrats' impeachment inquiry, Trump asked Ukraine's president to work with Giuliani to investigate Biden — prompting allegations by a whistleblower that Trump was soliciting foreign interference in the 2020 election.
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Agree, but what would you expect from Sheila Samples? Yesterday's establishment liberal is today's new "progressive." Left is right and war is a humanitarian obligation.

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Fortunately there are still some sites like Greanville Press which has a sniff test meter to weed out the sh*t.

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can you give some examples? I hear you and want to check them out.

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Sure, Rob. PM your email address and I'll send the attachment.

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Here are two articles from GP that shed some insight into why this is happening across the board:

click here and

click here

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Caitlin Johnstone just came out with an article on the twitter scandal. It is critical that the public hears this. reads this. understands how totally they are being manipulated. Our job is to out them. all of them .and beat them back with a stick.

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Here is her article

click here

Twitter Suspends Accounts For Propaganda, Has Literal Propagandist As High-Level Executive

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I had read that article and as ususal she is right on point. What we need is to start stressing the word anti-imperialist to distinguish our viewpoint from easily co-opted omnibus appellations like "progressive." For example, I'm sure the arch imperialist Samantha Power considers herself a progressive. So does the jackass Beto what's-his-name and Elizabeth Warren ...in fact so does everyone who was on the stage in September's debate. The outing should start and end with a simple litmus test: anyone not willing to stand up straight and say that they are 100% opposed to imperialism is the opposition.

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right. Greanville identifies itself as "an anti-imperialist website". that is where we all need to be.

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Sticks and stones - break some bones, mofos.

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I do love & trust Greanville Press - e magnifico, stupendo, magnifico.

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Wow...that baseless thing just slipped right on by the door. It could happen. On the other hand it could certainly stop the stout of heart from reading further.

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This subject has been a major source of frustration for me for a while. I understand that Rob wants OEN to be "balanced". But for me, as the boot of censorship presses ever harder on my head I become more ardent and more radical in my thinking. more convinced that we need to fight dirty . Every time I see one of those Daily Kos pieces show up here my skin crawls. Cathy Malloy - ever read any of her stuff ? total crap. Kos worships the clintons. that alone disqualifies them from being linked here.

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Amen.

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Daily Kos also has a Christian agenda. That alone disqualifies them from being objective or balanced journalism.

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I can't imagine a christian agenda with a capital C.

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Giuliani must go IMO - not for this debacle but because he IS a debacle.

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For anyone tuning in late to this thread, be aware that Devil's Advocate removed his posts and for some bizarre reason they are present but appearing under my name. So if you got the impression that I was having a conversation with myself, I was not.

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Thanks for pointing this out. I am hiding those comments. Not sure why that's happened.

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Please note that several comments in this thread do not show the name of the member....

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It hadn't occurred to me that people would think that simply because an article is quicklinked on OEN, that OEN or OEN editors back up every word, or believe it all to be gospel. (In fact, we have a disclaimer under every article.)

For instance, I do not believe in or agree with the ideas behind every link I post...on the contrary, I have posted many of them for the specific reason that they are a perfect sounding board for comments of opposing points of view.

We have a very unique group of members here, and the hope and expectation is that OEN members with alternate views will post those views in the comments...many times there is amazing and very useful information in comments which is very different than the perspective in the article. Without the original article having been posted, many of these brilliant ideas would never see the light of day.

So I believe that is what we do here is to provide opportunities for delving deeper into many ideas...some of which we may agree with, and some of which we disagree with - and by explaining why we disagree, we often flesh out a stronger opinion and a stronger foundation for our understanding.

Only part of the curation process is about deciding what to post or not to post, ie, what might be called censorship in some circles. The other side of that coin is about looking at many facets of a topic, which may involve putting up an article that may generate a lot of discussion in the opposite direction, and perhaps inspire some new ideas and solutions, and allowing our members to participation in the curation process.

Judging from some of the brilliant comments which have been made on these pages, I have to admit that we seem to have some of the smartest, most savvy members of any similar site. And I think that lively conversation inspires those kinds of new insights. What better way to see all sides of an issue and solve problems?

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You make me almost believe that I might be smarter than I appear.

Good thoughts, as always, Meryl Ann.

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