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Harvard Law Professor Warns Senators: Call Witnesses Or Face 'Dictatorship'

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Harvard constitutional law professor Laurence Tribe urged the GOP-controlled Senate to allow witnesses to testify in the impeachment trial of President Donald Trump or risk setting a 'terrible' precedent for the country
Harvard constitutional law professor Laurence Tribe urged the GOP-controlled Senate to allow witnesses to testify in the impeachment trial of President Donald Trump or risk setting a 'terrible' precedent for the country
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Senators risked “leaving a message to future generations, to future presidents, that any way they want to abuse the power of their office is just fine because Trump got away with it since the ultimate ruling was, ‘so what? It doesn’t matter.’”

“You will harm not only the country today, but you will leave a lesson for future presidents that will be terrible to the Republic,” he warned GOP senators. “It will not be a constitutional democracy but it will be a dictatorship.

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President Trump's categorical blockade of the House, his refusal to honor any subpoenas, his order that all subpoenas - not even knowing what they were - all subpoenas be defied has no analog in the history of the republic, Nadler said. He wants to be all-powerful, he does not have to respect the Congress, he does not have to respect the representatives of the people, only his will goes, said Nadler. 'He is a dictator'.

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Yes. I heard him.. In fact the legal profession one and all (except the fixers who work for the mob-boss) recognize that attacking the 'process' is a direct attack on The Constitution, and dangers to. the future.


ON Professor Dershowitz has his own opinion based argument. Facts are not on his menu.

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Yes, the Trump 'legal team' is 'way off base' - Trump's 'impeachment' by the House and his trial in the the Senate did not require a criminal defense team. It was not about 'criminal law' but about 'high crimes and misdemeanors' that violated the public trust that congress deems appropriate - Trump had 'usurped' the 'co-equal power of congress' by assuming 'total power' unto himself, as would a dictator, by not complying with the subpoenas that congress issued to him and his forbidding everyone in his Executive Branch to give testimony or to cooperate with congress in any manner whatsoever, thereby tearing apart the very pillars of the Republic as set forth in the Constitution. #RightMatters #TruthMatters.



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IMHO, "witnesses" or "dictatorship" is a false dichotomy: there is an infinity of gradations between the two. Just hyperbole!

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Yes, a dictator would surely threaten the GOP senators to have their 'heads on a pike' if they defy him and vote for his 'removal from office' - Trump orders no witnesses, no documents, none shall be provided to the House or the Senate sitting in his 'impeachment trial' and no 'co-equal branches of government' as established by the Constitution which he had sworn by oath to uphold. Trump had become the state by defying congressional subpoenas and withholding documents thereto and by so doing had usurped the powers of government unto himself.

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Have you been listening to the Senate trial? The subpoenas the house ordered were all contested in several ways. Just because the House orders something doesn't mean they have a legitimate power to do it. It has to follow certain procedures and customs. For example, they couldn't call Trump in and ask him to testify against himself (5th ammendment). And the Senate has not yet issued subpoenas--that's what they'll talk about on Friday. If the House had followed up on their subpoenas in an orderly way (but they didn't) and the White House had continued to stiff them, they might have had a case.

But I don't see how one can say he is coming anywhere near acting dictatorially or usurping power at this point. If the Senate were to convict him and he then somehow refused to leave office (What would that actually look like? Marines surrounding the White House with him issuing Twitter orders to the Pentagon??), then one could say he was acting like a dictator.

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Yes, "If the Senate were to convict him and he then somehow refused to leave office" surely the American people would be caught totally by surprise believing something like that 'could never happen here', not in the United States. However, the 'Good Germans' likewise never believed that the rising Hitler would usurp dictatorial power with the forced passage of his 'Enabling Act' - his 'Brown Shirts' had surrounded the 'Reichstag' German Parliament Building armed with 'baseball bats' and ready to 'smash the heads' of those legislators who voted against the Act. Here it was a different story when our congress willingly and even overwhelmingly with gusto handed over the Patriot Act "eviscerating America's Civil Liberties") and the AUMF2001 and AUMF2002 to W Bush who then lied to the country to launch his preemptive war on Iraq - W Bush was/is 'above the law' (never 'impeached' or 'prosecuted' on/and after 'his watch') and no one has brought him to justice then or now under our laws and treaties ('they acted with deceit and with falsehood'). Yes, apparently Trump knows 'full well' what he's talking about when he boasts, "I can do what I want" and there's nothing anyone and no one who can do anything about it.

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It's certainly your right to speculate about what you think might happen if Trump were convicted and told to go. My speculation is that he would go, and it's very difficult for me understand the actual mechanics of how he could not do that. Do you think the NRA and biker gangs would start blowing up buildings, or what? I just don't see how Trump could stay in office and become a dictator. I know something similar happened in Germany, but I really don't see that in our future. Nothing Trump or other Republicans have said or in the way they have behaved suggests that.

As for your "I can do what I want" quote, surely you know that was part of a press conference where the whole discussion was about whether Mueller would be allowed by Trump to continue his investigation or would, as would have been Trump's legal right, fire Mueller. As it happened, Trump did not fire Mueller. This has been a frequent out of context quote by the House managers and their media, but it should not be perpetuated because it's not accurate.

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"There are none so blind as those who will not see."

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Who would be naïve enough to think that the GOP cult and it's cult leader want something other than a Dictatorship.

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Yes, the president and his enablers have replaced conservatism with an empty faith led by a bogus prophet - We are Republicans and We Want Trump Defeated. #TheHeaviestBurden. Yes, Candidate Trump had been promising a quick, 'decisive end to the Middle East 'regime change' Wars' and 'got himself elected president'. Neither W Bush, Obama and Trump, have investigated or brought to justice 'who really knocked down the World Trade Center on 9/11' ('explosives were used say Commissioners'). With the 'partisan Republican acquittal' of Trump in his 'senate impeachment trial' on 'abuse of power' and 'obstruction of congress' the United States Republic apparently has become an Empire with an Imperial Presidency - no longer a 'rule of law' for a monarch, no more 'checks or balances' for His Majesty, no more 'co-equal branches of government' for the Empire, no removals from his high office as a monarch has assumed all powers unto himself - congressional hearings and their subpoenas totally worthless and totally rejected by a monarch (branded congressional over reach 'a witch hunt' by a monarch who ordered everyone in his Court not to cooperate or comply with the congress) with the monarch's Republican cohorts in an obvious 'state of ecstasy' as their monarch 'does as he pleases'.

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Thanks for those fact filled comments!

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They want a dictatorship. That's the plan.

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Yes, that was after 9/11 ('explosives used say Commissioners') when the Republicans/Democrats quickly created an #ImperialPresidency for W Bush - they would let W Bush attack, destroy, and occupy Iraq, without regard or question for laws, treaties, the Constitution (#AUMF2001 authorized 'preemptive war' launched by W Bush but never authorized all his lying about Iraq and his fabricated reasons for war - "Fraudulent Justification" Article II ). This 'imperial' president W Bush ('the people who knocked these buildings down') remains 'above the law' since that time in 2003 in 'a nation of laws' - no one has investigated him, he was not 'impeached' or 'prosecuted' either in or out of office, or brought him to justice under our laws and treaties even though 'they acted with deceit and falsehood' - #NurembergRedux.

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I completely agree with, as far as I understand it, your position on 9/11. I spent a lot of ten years putting together DVDs of films showing what did and didn't happen on 9/11. which I would then hand out to people in lines at theaters, political gatherings, mail out, and so forth. If you're interested, I'd be glad to figure out how to transmit some of them to you. Some people I knew though they were really good DVDs.

As the years have gone by and so many other examples of similar behavior have come and gone by and as part of my general discouragement with many kinds of political action have deepened, I've lost some interest in the idea that exposing the truth about 9/11 would make much of a difference. My "bottom line" analysis of the situation is this: even if it could be proved beyond a doubt that the US government (or US/Israel, or whoever) did 9/11, there would be all sorts of prevailing voices from the Deep Ste media, Cheney types, etc., basically saying that even if it's true that they killed 3000 Americans and started a mid-east war that has killed millions and destroyed societies, it was a worthwhile deception to "keep America, the source of all good in the world, strong." And the public would go along with it.

It would be like how you probably believe that the Republican Senators are willing to keep supporting Trump even though you think there is overwhelming evidence he should be removed.

Part of why I spent all that time on 9/11 was political: I wanted to create a change in government, cause a revolution, etc. But a big part was just that I thought I knew some truth about it and I wanted to have truth prevail. One of my current "truth" efforts is that I think the attempt to overthrow Trump, much as I disagree with most of his actions, even despise them, is unjustified and unfair, because I think it's based on falsehoods: first that Trump colluded with Russia in some way and then that he did something so gross in the Ukraine that he should be impeached for it. It's all part of the same narrative, as far as I can see, with Schiff never missing an opportunity to say that Trump and Russia are in some kind of continuing collusion. I know that the parties concerned are all public figures, but I wish Schiff and other people who maintain that with no evidence could be enjoined or prosecuted for it. I know that's not legal, but I think it's a travesty that Russiagate was ever started, supported by the media and Democrats, and keeps having a life.

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Yes, the senators voted 51 to 49 "NAY" for no 'witnesses' or 'subpoenas' - Sen Collins and Sen Romney 'crossed over Party lines' and voted "YEA" yes for 'witnesses' to appear and 'subpoenas' to be 'issued'. Sen Feinstein 'crossed over Party lines' and voted "NAY" - apparently, she may have 'heard enough' already even though there surely was/is 'much more'. Perhaps the 'evidence is overwhelming' as the House Impeachment Managers had indicated - 'overwhelming' or not, the senate simply 'will not hear' anymore of it. #BlockWitnesses.

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