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Has Assange been Poisoned?

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I HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO CONFIRM THIS STORY.
THOUGH KAREN KWIATOWSKI IS USUALLY A RELIABLE SOURCE, I HAVE DE-HEADLINED IT. - JOSH MITTELDORF (Tue 6PM)

Karen stands by her story, has a secret inside source. See comment section.
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A drug has been administered that induces psychosis. Assange is hospitalized, incoherent and unable to communicate sensibly. The chemical is called BZ. Here is a description from the New Yorker:

“Exposed soldiers exhibited bizarre symptoms: rapid mumbling, or picking obsessively at bedclothes and other objects, real or imaginary. “…The drug’s effect lasted for days. At its peak, volunteers were totally cut off in their own minds, jolting from one fragmented existence to the next. They saw visions: Lilliputian baseball players competing on a tabletop diamond; animals or people or objects that materialized and vanished. ….

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At www.lewrockwell.com

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lila york

(Member since Feb 18, 2008), 98 fans, 66 articles, 101 quicklinks, 2478 comments

jeezus. best we can hope is that the world will tell the US to go f*%k themselves and unite as one world against the US.

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 1:50:50 PM

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lila york

(Member since Feb 18, 2008), 98 fans, 66 articles, 101 quicklinks, 2478 comments

Reply to lila york:

I don't know how they expect to get away with this with the world's eyes on him. This has to be illegal. even in the UK. If only the UN would do something. for once.

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 2:43:43 PM

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David Watts

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Reply to lila york:

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 9:29:58 AM

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Daniel Geery

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Horrifying, disgusting, evil, sick. Yet Must Read.

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 4:04:46 PM

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Devil's Advocate

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 9 fans, 2643 comments

Since he's still in Britain's custody, I would say, if this is true, they've just raised the punishment for "jumping bail".

Assange has not been charged in Britain for spying, or anything else that would allow them to "interrogate" him.

How do we verify he's been drugged?

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 4:13:08 PM

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lila york

(Member since Feb 18, 2008), 98 fans, 66 articles, 101 quicklinks, 2478 comments

Reply to Devil's Advocate:

no telling what his sources are, but I doubt this writer would publish this without confirmation. He is saying that the CiA is interrogating him- read torturing him - even though he has not been extradited or had a decision on extradition. The entire west is now an authoritarian nightmare.

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 4:21:04 PM

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Devil's Advocate

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 9 fans, 2643 comments

Reply to lila york:

I see other reports coming out about it now. Not that I ever doubt Josh's due diligence. I just wondered how such a thing is discovered and/or verified, since Julian's being kept pretty much out of everyone's sight.

So, assuming he's now being literally tortured, this has become a situation where Australia should be yanking him out of there. He is, first and foremost, an Australian citizen, and the country is supposed to be protecting him.

This whole thing is making me sick.

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 4:55:37 PM

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lila york

(Member since Feb 18, 2008), 98 fans, 66 articles, 101 quicklinks, 2478 comments

Reply to Devil's Advocate:

please post links.

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 5:56:14 PM

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Devil's Advocate

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 9 fans, 2643 comments

Reply to lila york:

Looks like I goofed there, Lila.

When I searched for "Assange being drugged", I got a bunch of results and thought I had some other reports. I went back to get some links for you, and realized they all said "Assange... dragged". (As in "dragged out of the Embassy".)

Sorry, the only other I've seen is the Kathy Kwiatkowsky piece we've already seen here and here.

Naturally, we must keep an eye out for more on this, because if it's true (and it likely is), we'll see something else soon (either saying it's true or trying to say it isn't - either way it would be true).

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 6:55:20 PM

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lila york

(Member since Feb 18, 2008), 98 fans, 66 articles, 101 quicklinks, 2478 comments

Reply to Devil's Advocate:

yeah, I only found this one article. Caitlin and Joe Lauria at Consortium know his attorneys, so we may hear from them soon

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 7:02:04 PM

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Jerry Lobdill

(Member since Feb 17, 2007), 24 fans, 40 articles, 106 quicklinks, 3130 comments, 22 diaries

Reply to lila york:

I don't trust LewRockwell.com. They are loony anarchists. From their site:

"The daily news and opinion site LewRockwell.com was founded in 1999 by anarcho-capitalists Lew Rockwell [send him mail] and Burt Blumert to help carry on the anti-war, anti-state, pro-market work of Murray N. Rothbard."

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 8:03:27 PM

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Devil's Advocate

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 9 fans, 2643 comments

Reply to Jerry Lobdill:

Hmm. What is an "anarcho-capitalist", anyway? (Interesting hybrid.) And what is "pro-market", exactly.

If it weren't for the author, I might be inclined to question the whole story, but this Kathy Kwiatkowsky has put out a number of good pieces. I've just never gone to that particular site to read them (never heard of it until now). Conundrum. Hopefully, this isn't one of them.

The trouble is, this one is not exactly hard to believe.

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 9:33:06 PM

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nelswight

(Member since Sep 3, 2006), 79 comments

Reply to Devil's Advocate:

I agree, Karen K I've been following closely. She seems TOPS to me.

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 9:37:38 PM

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Jerry Lobdill

(Member since Feb 17, 2007), 24 fans, 40 articles, 106 quicklinks, 3130 comments, 22 diaries

Reply to Devil's Advocate:

Well...I never heard that term before. But if it means a capitalist who wants the government to disappear so that the "free market" can function without interference that would describe everything I have read about the philosophy of government and economics proposed by Lew Rockwell. Rand Paul and his son seem to advocate that.

Yes, until now I thought Karen K. was pretty much OK, and her article has nothing to do with anarchy or an unlimited market. So...you like Murray Rothbard? Read this: click here

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 5:47:34 PM

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Devil's Advocate

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 9 fans, 2643 comments

Reply to Jerry Lobdill:

Truthfully, I've never heard about Rothbard. (I'm really not well-versed in American history.)

"Paleolibertarianism", eh? Looks like another "sanitized" euphemism for white supremacism. But I can see why you're not a fan of Rockwell. (Someone else I'm just now hearing about. Thanks for that!)

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 6:36:35 PM

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nelswight

(Member since Sep 3, 2006), 79 comments

Reply to Jerry Lobdill:

I might disagree with you on this, Jerry, I've been acquainted with "Lewellyn"

and Burt personally and through email since attending a Health and Wealth Group

in SFO when Ron Paul declared for President in 2005. Burt has since died in CAL.

I read Lew Rockwell.com every issue, not agreeing every time, of course.

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 10:01:41 PM

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Jerry Lobdill

(Member since Feb 17, 2007), 24 fans, 40 articles, 106 quicklinks, 3130 comments, 22 diaries

Reply to nelswight:

Hi, Nels.

I'm rather shocked. You like Murray Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises too?

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 5:49:44 PM

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Janet Supriano

(Member since Oct 7, 2013), 12 fans, 1710 comments

Reply to lila york:

Sent the following to my US congressman.

Please verify and DO something! If you don't speak out, you and We the People are complicit.

Thank you.Click Here

aside: If I go bonkers online (more than normal), you'll know they got me, too. (not funny).

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 5:00:31 PM

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Devil's Advocate

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 9 fans, 2643 comments

Reply to Janet Supriano:

Don't worry, you'll fit in with the rest of us! :) 8) :( 8D :@ :)

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 5:07:33 PM

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nelswight

(Member since Sep 3, 2006), 79 comments

Reply to lila york:

as you say, no doubt the CIA ghouls are present in Britain.

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 9:35:32 PM

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lila york

(Member since Feb 18, 2008), 98 fans, 66 articles, 101 quicklinks, 2478 comments

Reply to nelswight:

As many have been saying there are no more nations. If British cops can bust into an Ecuadorian embassy why should we be surprised that US CIA agents are torturing an Australian in a British prison. the world is sick.... I was just remembering all of the so-called terrorists - hapless loners set up by the FBI to plant a bomb - all of them showed up in court in a vegetative state, unable to testify on their own behalf. I have to wonder if this drug, BZ is what was used to achieve that.

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 9:59:06 PM

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nelswight

(Member since Sep 3, 2006), 79 comments

Reply to lila york:

And I'm getting sicker.

DA is a fine respondent in our group, isn't he? A tremendous addition, yes?

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 10:05:43 PM

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lila york

(Member since Feb 18, 2008), 98 fans, 66 articles, 101 quicklinks, 2478 comments

Reply to nelswight:

absolutely. wicked smart too.

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 10:13:50 PM

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Devil's Advocate

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 9 fans, 2643 comments

Reply to lila york:

[Covers face] You're making me blush, the two of you! :0

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 2:44:12 AM

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Leslie Johnson

(Member since Dec 9, 2014), 17 fans, 14 articles, 1 quicklinks, 1265 comments, 1 diaries

Reply to Devil's Advocate:

You know I feel that way about you, as well.

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 2:46:15 PM

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Devil's Advocate

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 9 fans, 2643 comments

Reply to Leslie Johnson:

And I, you, Leslie! (Now I'm gonna cry.)

[Holds Oscar] "You like me, you really do!" :)

I just wish we could take this kind of humanitarian love fest to Julian. The closest he's come in a while to that is talking to Pamela through a half-closed portal.

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 5:25:41 PM

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lila york

(Member since Feb 18, 2008), 98 fans, 66 articles, 101 quicklinks, 2478 comments

Reply to Devil's Advocate:

you can write to assange here: Mr. Julian Assange
DOB: 3/07/1971 HMP Belmarsh
Western Way
London SE28 0EB
UK

no packages or money or objects. letters will be read by cia./MI6

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 6:08:02 PM

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lila york

(Member since Feb 18, 2008), 98 fans, 66 articles, 101 quicklinks, 2478 comments

msm - newspapers and cable news - has a huge amount of coverage of Pam Anderson's visit with Assange at Belmarsh today . She was allowed in with the Wikileaks editor. Both were teary-eyed as they left the prison and implied that Assange was dangerously ill. All I can glean from those reports is that if he was forcibly interrogated and injected with psycho drugs, it did not happen today. But his weakened state does not rule out the possibility that it happened on other days, when his attorney was not permitted to see him. Evidently he is locked in a cell, and they had to converse through a small window in the door. so not good.

Submitted on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 11:05:02 PM

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Josh Mitteldorf

Senior Editor

(Member since Sep 14, 2006), 43 fans, 564 articles, 363 quicklinks, 905 comments, 11 diaries

Karen Kwiatkowski writes (Tue 8PM):

I cannot [tell you the source].

It is from someone I personally trust on that side of the
ocean. I not only believe this particular occurrence (and I believe it
is not over yet) I have studied what has been done to others in places
like Belmarsh, and other rendition sites, and this is not only not new
for the US intel community, it is not even shocking. What is shocking
is the lack of any Assange coverage in DC and the US, not a single
Congressperson is talking about it, and I understand none of the Members
of Parliament are either.

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 2:00:43 AM

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David Watts

(Member since Jan 31, 2008), 12 fans, 15 articles, 26 quicklinks, 2009 comments, 27 diaries

They are doing this to Julian for one main fu*cking reason. That reason is to send a clear and unmistakeable message to any wannabes, now or in the future, that have or get, inside information that they might think about releasing that reveals the truth about how we are all getting fu*cked.

I have had enough. I am booking a flight to Andromeda if anyone wants to come along. It will be a long flight so bring along a very thick book or three. And, we can all enjoy the inflight movie show. Andromeda is supposed to be a beautiful galaxy. I am sure we will like it...

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 9:33:13 AM

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Leslie Johnson

(Member since Dec 9, 2014), 17 fans, 14 articles, 1 quicklinks, 1265 comments, 1 diaries

Reply to David Watts:

Count me in!

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 2:48:41 PM

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Janet Supriano

(Member since Oct 7, 2013), 12 fans, 1710 comments

Reply to David Watts:

Same promise as with our farewell yacht voyage, I'll bring the oatmeal cookies, no raisins. :)

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 3:44:31 PM

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David Watts

(Member since Jan 31, 2008), 12 fans, 15 articles, 26 quicklinks, 2009 comments, 27 diaries

Reply to Janet Supriano:

All right. I have gotten the message several times now, no raisons. As long as you bring the oatmeal cookies, I will eat them, sans raisons. :)

Since Leslie - :) - will be along on the flight, I will be happy, even sans raisons. By the way, we will be flying first class. I'm buying, I know how to get cheap tickets. I used to fly for an intergalactic airline.

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 3:56:53 PM

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Janet Supriano

(Member since Oct 7, 2013), 12 fans, 1710 comments

Reply to David Watts:

Boring, ain't I? But glad to know I made my point, at long last.

So...how do you feel about butterscotch chips?

Together with this gruesome Assange mystery and today's PCR piece on Iran, stuck together with our Venezuela BS, I agree Andromeda has become a rational choice.

Somebody! Quick! Call Elon Musk! :)

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 4:08:13 PM

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Josh Mitteldorf

Senior Editor

(Member since Sep 14, 2006), 43 fans, 564 articles, 363 quicklinks, 905 comments, 11 diaries

This is the bleeding edge of speculative journalism. I don't know if this story is true. Just the fact that it could be true reminds us how far we've come from the time when we thought we lived in a country whose actions in the world were basically dcecnt and grounded in a quest toward freedom.

There are some things we can never know, but I think we will find out before long whether Assange was tortured.

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 10:32:09 AM

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lila york

(Member since Feb 18, 2008), 98 fans, 66 articles, 101 quicklinks, 2478 comments

Reply to Josh Mitteldorf:

Why do you suppose his allies and attorneys are not telling the public what has happened to him.

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 2:07:18 PM

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Devil's Advocate

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 9 fans, 2643 comments

Reply to lila york:

It's quite possible they may not even know what's going on, or see enough to be able to say it openly. Even Julian may not be able to tell them, depending on how the drugs might be getting to him. His every move and word are likely being closely monitored as well.

They might suspect something, but they'd have to be careful not to say anything until they have proof. They're already dealing with a completely compromised legal farce.

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 5:35:17 PM

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lila york

(Member since Feb 18, 2008), 98 fans, 66 articles, 101 quicklinks, 2478 comments

Reply to Devil's Advocate:

Well I'm guessing here - but Pamela Anderson and the wiki editor looked forlorn , she described feeling nauseous and sick - so I think it possible that Assange was incoherent and unable to communicate in a real way. and for their own reasons they did not want to announce that. possible. just sayin'

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 6:02:52 PM

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Devil's Advocate

(Member since Nov 9, 2014), 9 fans, 2643 comments

Reply to lila york:

While I wouldn't be surprised to find out he's being tampered with, I also try to keep in mind that his whole ordeal has not been conducive to a healthy presence either.

The isolation, alone, is enough to ruin anyone's spirit. It interferes with everything else - sleeping, eating, etc. That's why isolation is considered a bona fide form of torture. For him, this has been his life for the last 7 years.

I want to believe that at least *some* features of British law are still alive. (If for no other reason but to help convince myself he's not being drugged.) He's Britain's prisoner, and only "guilty" of "skipping bail". Even for "evil lords", his "crimes" don't warrant allowing a foreign party to torture him (of course, the solitary confinement they've put him in doesn't fit either, but alas...).

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 6:57:04 PM

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Janet Supriano

(Member since Oct 7, 2013), 12 fans, 1710 comments

Reply to Josh Mitteldorf:

Equally important as 'it could be true' is that we are not surprised. Enraged, grieved; but not surprised.

And even if it comes out to be not true; part of us will continue to believe it and fear it and be helpless against it.

The grand design of demoralization.

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 3:52:20 PM

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Dennis Kaiser

(Member since Jan 22, 2008), 35 fans, 69 articles, 383 quicklinks, 5350 comments, 48 diaries

This is not surprising as the US does not want to give Assange an opportunity in court to tell what he knows, and also that the US is committing a crime once again by silencing the press.

Submitted on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 10:41:33 AM

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Josh Mitteldorf

Senior Editor

(Member since Sep 14, 2006), 43 fans, 564 articles, 363 quicklinks, 905 comments, 11 diaries

From Suzie Dawson:

This is fake news. Julian was never in the prison hospital, or under interrogation as claimed by Karen. His lawyers, Kristinn and Pamela, and other visitors he is receiving would have been raising hell if this was the case (and filing lawsuits)

Someone is feeding disinfo to Karen, and her circulation of such unfounded claims is very upsetting to those closest to Julian

Would I put it past these agencies to do or plan something so nasty? No. But in this case they aren't yet, and the truth matters.

Depicting Julian as drugged, psychotic and chemically lobotomized is untrue, unfair and potentially damaging, given his ongoing legal cases in multiple jurisdictions.

Suzie

Submitted on Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 8:08:22 PM

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