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Adm. James Stavridis: 100% Trump got played by North Korea

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During an MSNBC interview with Brian Williams a few days ago, retired four-star admiral James Stavridis said (out loud) the thing that everyone with a brain not besotted with ego or egg nog already knew: 

WILLIAMS: I guess my first question will bring down the energy. What’s the chance our president has been played by the North Korean leader? 

STAVRIDIS: I’d say about 100 percent, Brian. I hate to say that. Let’s do the good news first. The good news is, as opposed to fire and fury and we’re ramping up for a war on the Korean Peninsula, we’ve now moved into kind of rope-a-dope. But on the other hand, here I gotta agree with former national security adviser John Bolton that we are not progressing toward the stated goal of denuclearizing this peninsula. And I think Kim is just kind of playing along, he’s right on playbook from his father and his grandfather.

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Interesting that in this clip MSNBC felt no need to mention anything about what Finian Cunningham told us in his article (my emphasis):


"When Trump met Kim for the third time in June 2019, they reportedly vowed to resume negotiations on denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. North Korea had up until recently stuck to its commitment to halt ICBM testing. However, for that, Pyongyang expected reciprocation from the US side on the issue of sanctions relief, at least a partial lifting of sanctions. Kim gave Trump a deadline by the end of this year to make some concession on sanctions."



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Do you think that is central what Stravridis could or should have said? Remember, it was an answer to a question.

Submitted on Saturday, Dec 28, 2019 at 2:35:12 PM

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I would say that this context, of which Stavridis was or should have been aware, obviates his self-assured assertion that Kim 'played' Trump. US diplomacy requires nothing short of immediate and supine compliance to its dictates with nary a hint of reciprocity.


How supremely imperial.

Submitted on Sunday, Dec 29, 2019 at 3:35:54 AM

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You have twisted his well meaning comment and thus got it all wrong. Oh, well~~~~that happens a lot with the liberal brethren.

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Stephen, you call Stavridis' response well-meaning? He said unequivocally that Kim played Trump. To me that means that Kim set out to mislead Trump from some sort of reservoir of animus against Trump or the US or both. It also implies that this occurred despite Trump's straightforward and honest dealings with Kim. (Threatening 'fire and fury' may be straightforward and honest but probably fails to calm many waters.)


The effect of these implications would be to further inflame tensions between North Korea and the US. I would not consider such an easily predicted 'inflammation' to be at all well meaning.


Liberal. Nah, 'left' that behind.



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Say what you like. I meant also primarily that it was ACCURATE. Military leaders and former military leaders are not diplomats prancing around with hidden meanings. He was asked a question and he answered it, with no hidden agenda. That is what I mean by WELL MEANING. In short, Trump got Chumped, by Kim.



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Everyone knows that military people would never stoop to mislead us.



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I think you have completely misinterpreted the news in this quick link. Oh, well....

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I say that mindful that at times people can twist anything into something that accords with their point of view, which has nothing to do with the intent of why the quick link was posted.

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Apparently you believe that the US and Trump have been finger-fluttering innocents in Korea.

To iterate, Stavridis' pronouncement that Kim played Trump puts Trump/US in the damsel-in-distress seat and makes Kim out to be the naughty boy. From what I've read, an equal if not principal driver of Korean tensions since the never-ended Korean war has been the US with its sanctions and threats and in-your-face war games and treaty-breaks and rapprochement-impedance and assorted other provocations.

Sure it was just a clip, but Stavridis' words oversimplified and mislead.

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