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The New Authoritarianism: Trump, Populism, and the Tyranny of Experts: Salvatore Babones

Broadcast 5/20/2019 at 11:00 AM EDT (7 Listens, 23 Downloads, 2659 Itunes)
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Salvatore Babones is an American sociologist based in Sydney, Australia and the author of The New Authoritarianism: Trump, Populism, and the Tyranny of Experts. His academic research takes a long-term approach to interpreting the structure of the global economy,

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Today's new authoritarianism, the postmodern authoritarianism of the liberal Western democracies, is the would-be tyranny of the expert class. When experts descend into the public arena to argue their cases in front of the sovereign electorate, democracy flourishes. When expert opinion is elevated into the only politically acceptable point of view, democracy dies.

Define Authoritarianism, authoritarians, Freedom vs. Rights

With Donald is anything but an authoritarian. You can't be an authoritarian when the only authority you recognize is yourself.

The words "authoritarian" and "authoritarianism" were first used in the 1850s and 1860s by American spiritualists as a pejorative term for traditional religious observance based on the authority of churches, preachers, and the Bible. They spread into political use in the 1880s, when American "individualist anarchists" railed against the authority of church and state to regulate individual conscience.

"The State is as much a theological superstition as the doctrine of the atonement. It is simply the human side of theology. It is only another application of the idea of authority, which is the central idea of theological despotism." So declared the unsigned opening manifesto of the first edition (1881) of the anarchist magazine Liberty, edited by Benjamin Tucker. Condemnations of the "authoritarian" state soon became a mainstay of Liberty editorials.

Authoritarianism was coined as a dirty word, and in the twentieth century it came to be widely applied to illiberal political regimes of all kinds,

Authoritarians are people who want other people to follow the dictates of authority their authority and ideally to believe wholeheartedly that they should follow the dictates of authority. Authoritarians do not want people to think for themselves.

In most of the world, the traditional sources of authority have long since lost their hold on people's imaginations. With organized religion on the wane and hereditary nobility almost gone, there are few people who are able to claim the obedience of the masses. Donald Trump doesn't command his supporters; he panders to them.

But though the old authorities have lost their magic, new authorities have risen to take their place. And those new authorities are "us": the educated professionals who write books, formulate policies, draft guidelines, and manage the business of government. We are the experts, and we demand to be heard. Increasingly, we demand to be obeyed.

In domain after domain of public life, (we) experts have demanded that policy decisions be taken out of the realm of democratic politics and placed under the care of expert administration. Elite consensus has replaced the church's blessing as the unquestionable token of revealed truth. It is taken for given that expert authority, not popular opinion, should guide policy. To "politicize" an issue is to commit a sin perfidious in the implication of ulterior motives.

Comparisons to Hitler and the Nazis, those stock villains of the twenty-first century imagination, are routinely used by expert class to demonize their populist opponents.

Prewar German intellectuals had a long history of demanding strongman rule by "enlightened" dictators who could rise above politics to force good policies on an ignorant electorate. In the liberal West, intellectuals have pushed instead for governance by expert panels insulated from electoral politics. "Independence" is the order of the day.

For example, most political scientists take it for granted that democracy can only thrive under an independent judiciary. They are seemingly unaware that most US states hold elections for judges, prosecutors, and even sheriffs. Similarly, the demand for central bank independence is an article of faith in the economics profession. Yet independent central banks oversaw both the inflation of the 1970s and the financial crises of the 2000s.

Everyone wants good government, and good government requires the disinterested advice of experts. The key word is "advice." Advice, the electorate can disregard.

, the expert class strays from offering advice to demanding compliance.

The delegitimation of opposition does not strengthen democracy. It is the first step on the road to tyranny. Even more than good policy, democracy requires respect for the dignity of the electorate. Populism is nothing but the people standing up to demand that due respect.

Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard is badly out of step with mainstream progressive values. She's refused to criticize Trump, hasn't signed on to an assault weapons ban, cozied up to Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad, attacked Barack Obama for refusing to use the phrase "radical Islamic terrorism," and voted to make it all but impossible for Syrian refugees to settle in the U.S.among many other things.

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He's given talks and workshops to Fortune 500 execs and national medical and psychological organizations, and pioneered first-of-their-kind conferences in Positive Psychology, Brain Science and Story. He hosts some of the world's smartest, most interesting and powerful people on his Bottom Up Radio Show, and founded and publishes one of the top Google- ranked progressive news and opinion sites,

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet (more...)

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