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John Dean: Authoritarian Nightmare; Trump and His Followers

Broadcast 8/25/2020 at 9:06 AM EDT (41 Listens, 22 Downloads, 2092 Itunes)
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John Dean: Authoritarian Nightmare; Trump and His Followers
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John Dean is co-author of the new book, Authoritarian Nightmare; Trump and His Followers, with Bob Altemeyer. Dean served as White House counsel for president Richard Nixon from 1970 to 1973. His Watergate testimony helped lead to Nixon's resignation. Past books include Worse than Watergate and Conservatives Without Conscience

"Like it or not, authoritarianism is on the ballot this November and to defeat it, we must understand it. "

Pre-interview notes

Why did you write this book and what do you want it to accomplish?

Essentially, authoritarianism is"..


You talk about Authoritarians, Autocrats, Demagogues and dictators. Please parse the differences and similarities for them and their followers.

What's the difference between Democracy and Autocracy

When do demagogues rise?

Authoritarians are usually elected and then they subvert the constitution

There are right and left wing authoritarians?

Discuss the connection between Authoritarianism and narcissism.
You say "Trump brings out the worst in people."

I have a theory that the worst plague Trump will bring to the US and the world will be the unleashing and unrestraining of narcissists and psychopaths.

Early Trump story

authoritarian TV personality

His supporters were "coiled like a tightly wound spring"

The next dictator is already watching Trump, how to do what he's done even better.

Social Dominator Authoritarians SD and Authoritarian Followers, Double Highs

Trump got 71% of white male voters without a college degree
Lost jobs, but also feeling of stolen White birthright

How Trump rolled up the social dominators:

Racial superiority meant a great deal.
Social dominators score high on the conman score, don't believe in right and wrong" psychopaths?

Unleashing authoritarianism and narcissism AND Psychopaths

Authoritarian Followers
Steven Hassan, The Cult of Trump


High degree of submission to the perceived, established, legitimate authorities in society
" High level of aggression in the name of their authorities
" High level of conventionalism, insisting that others follow the norms endorsed by their authorities (Taliban)

Right wing authoritarians are not necessarily right wing politically.
What about Democrats and lefties?

Right wing authoritarianism Scale (RWA) and Monmouth poll p 128

7 traits
" highly compartmentalized thinking
how they handle doubts

high vs low RWA

flimsy belief in America's values
have only a superficial belief in liberty and democracy
double standard judgments

believe many conflicting and even contradictory things,
less careful thinking,
more responsive to bombast
Difficulty judging evidence

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He's given talks and workshops to Fortune 500 execs and national medical and psychological organizations, and pioneered first-of-their-kind conferences in Positive Psychology, Brain Science and Story. He hosts some of the world's smartest, most interesting and powerful people on his Bottom Up Radio Show, and founded and publishes one of the top Google- ranked progressive news and opinion sites,

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet (more...)

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