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David Swanson-- We debate and discuss How to Handle Psychopaths, Sociopaths and Predators

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Broadcast 4/16/2014 at 18:22:29 (140 Listens, 71 Downloads, 2152 Itunes)
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David Swanson is an anti-war activist and journalist and author of War is A Lie, War No More-- a case for abolition numerous other books.

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Article: Can We Really Blame Sociopaths

Interview notes:

these are mostly my questions, and for this interview, I got so absorbed in the conversation, I barely wrote down any notes. 

But sociopaths are so  good at manipulating people and manipulating the system. 

David: We've given up on the idea of removing people 

David: It's such a difficult thing you're talking about and such an easy thing to abuse.

Rob: what do you think about humans being hunters and predators?

David: because we think of war, we think that war always existed-- 

Rob: CIvilization led to producing top-down controlling powers that 

Elaine Scarey-- thermonuclear monarchy

Rob: WE need to be asking a lot more questions about the bad guys because the traditional peace movement has stopped working, especially under Obama. 

David: to run for pubic office, you have to be a money grubber. And good people detest that kind of behavior, that kind of selling out of your soul. You have to behave as a pretty despicable person to run for office. It's a huge hurdle that weeds out most of the talented and moral individuals. 

Rob: what do you see in the US that is working now?

David: state of CT working on transitioning from weapon industries to peace industries. Occupy, people's attitudes towards war, prevention of US attack of Syria-- congress members got more pushback than they did on the bank crisis.

Rob: And we know that Sy Hersh reports that even the military leaders pushed back because they knew that Syria didn't do it (Sarin)

David: and Sy Hersh didn't talk about how strongly the public opposed Obama's rush to invade syria-- 

Rob: I didn't see reports of that public influence anywhere.

Rob: the system goes to incredible lengths-- the msm-- to squelch the idea that the people can change things. 

Rob: we really need to deal with how the system maintains the narrative that those in power belong there and things are not changeable. 

David: I work with and we have a list of successes we've had. 

David: cites examples from history of how protesters were effective.

David: If we had 3-4% of the people involved we could change anything

Rob: What projects are you working on now?

Rob: and I would argue that the idea of going to war is insane

David: Howard Zinn taught us that the biggest enemy we have is obedience-- we're engaged in a massive Milgram experiment. 

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Rob Kall is an award winning journalist, inventor, software architect, connector and visionary. His work and his writing have been featured in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, CNN, ABC, the HuffingtonPost, Success, Discover and other media. 

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He is the author of The Bottom-up Revolution; Mastering the Emerging World of Connectivity  

He's given talks and workshops to Fortune 500 execs and national medical and psychological organizations, and pioneered first-of-their-kind conferences in Positive Psychology, Brain Science and Story. He hosts some of the world's smartest, most interesting and powerful people on his Bottom Up Radio Show, and founded and publishes one of the top Google- ranked progressive news and opinion sites,

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization (more...)

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