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Daniel Quinn, Author of Ishmael, on Invisible Success and Memes We Live By

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Broadcast 4/11/2013 at 1:53 PM EDT (288 Listens, 250 Downloads, 2214 Itunes)
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Daniel Quinn is an American writer popularly described as an environmentalist and best known for his novel Ishmael (published in 1992), which won the Turner Tomorrow Fellowship Award in 1991. Quinn does not, however, identify himself as an "environmentalist", criticizing the term for creating a false dichotomy that frames the environment as somehow separate from human life. [2] Quinn considers himself a cultural critic[3] and specifically identifies his philosophy as new tribalism.

From Daniel's Ishmael website:

Mr. Quinn is best known as the author of Ishmael, the novel that in 1991 won the Turner Tomorrow Fellowship, established to encourage authors to seek "creative and positive solutions to global problems."  Ishmael  has been in print continuously since its publication in 1992 and has been made available in more than 25 languages. Thoroughout the U.S. and Canada and in other countries as well,  Ishmael  is used as a text in a broad range of classes that include anthropology, ecology, history, literature, philosophy, ethics, biology, and psychology, at age levels from middle school through graduate level.

very, VERY rough Interview notes

mostly questions to give you a tease so you'll LISTEN to the interview-- not an edited set of neat notes. 

Ishmael is a book that every person should read. 

How would you describe Ishmael?

Did you write the book in response to the Turner Tomorrow Fellowship Award, with the idea of  creating a hopeful vision. 

What were you attempting to accomplish with Ishmael-- what message?

Going back and forth in our discussions about our interview, you came up with a new essay-- The Invisibility of Success. Can you talk about it?

This success does not seem to be such a good thing" to most of the people.

What about religion? It seems that one of the reasons civilizations evangelize and convert is religion.

So, you have this idea of the Invisibility of success, that leads people to have the inability to reject the inevitability of Civilization, which has become a real problem. 

Do you think there is a future for humanity beyond civilization?

Do you think that the next stage of evolution, spiraling up, would be a more bottom up way of being?

Law in Italy-- 

What were some of the things you learned from Aboriginal culture?

We know now that the San Bushmen of the Kalahari work so much less than we do-- just a few hours a day. 

You mentioned that Oprah asked you a question you couldn't answer at the time. What was the question. What are leavers and takers?

Daniel, who are your attackers?

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Rob Kall is an award winning journalist, inventor, software architect, connector and visionary. His work and his writing have been featured in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, CNN, ABC, the HuffingtonPost, Success, Discover and other media. 

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He is the author of The Bottom-up Revolution; Mastering the Emerging World of Connectivity  

He's given talks and workshops to Fortune 500 execs and national medical and psychological organizations, and pioneered first-of-their-kind conferences in Positive Psychology, Brain Science and Story. He hosts some of the world's smartest, most interesting and powerful people on his Bottom Up Radio Show, and founded and publishes one of the top Google- ranked progressive news and opinion sites,

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization (more...)

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