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Podcast    H1'ed 2/5/19

Chris Hedges on Hope, Happiness, Heroes, Revolution, Rupture and the The End of Civilization

Broadcast 2/5/2019 at 9:54 AM EST (70 Listens, 30 Downloads, 3912 Itunes)
The Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show Podcast

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Repeat guest Pulitzer Prize and Emmy winning Chris Hedges, was a NYTimes foreign correspondent for 15 years. He's a columnist for Truthdig and  His new book is

America: The Farewell Tour

Notes: Prep and interview

Before we get into discussing the problems which you explore, I'd like to start with you discussing what gives you hope?  And can you talk about your thinking on hope. Evil and human kindness.

Daniel Berrigan

Evil? Narcissism, Psychopathy, culture of the self, of idolatry

 Christian anarchism: Power is always the problem

Civilization ; create a culture of death

, Radical evil

Kropotkin- Myth of survival of the fittest; herds have highest survival rate

Thoughts on heroes and Campbell's hero's journey.

         Problem of individualism

Who are your heroes?

Our only response now is sustained mass acts of civil disobedience.

It's got to have a spiritual dimension like standing rock had one.

What we are fighting for is the systems of life, the sacred, the understanding that there are people and things around us that have a value beyond a monetary value.

Calling for revolution. Calling for overthrow of the corporate state, just as regimes from eastern Europe were overthrown.

Paul Tillich; Every institution is demonic, including the Search.

Role of liberal elites

Durkheim's study of suicide as model for book. Anomie

W. Webb Dubois


Christine Pagano, heroin addict

Diseases of despairpathologies that rise out of a decaying, disintegrating culture

Colonization and decolonization   Michael Yellowbird

Corporate coup de etat in slow motion

Elizabeth Anderson; private government

What's your thinking on happiness?

Christian Zionists

Christian right Christianized fascism.

Christian Heretics and Liberal Church

Narcissists and Psychopaths

You characterize your chapters as descripting diseases of despairself destructive pathologies.  Pathologies of self annihilation. You talk about anomie

Need to rebuild social bonds.

Durkheimdestruction of social bonds.

Fertile ground for rise of American fascism

Talk about conservative values.

Corporate Totalitarianism

Nationalism betrays the working class

Trump as cult leader; Cults are personality cults. Jim Jones. Cult leaders as narcissists

Cult followers

You refer to revolutionary elites as problematic as capitalists

You opine the divide between the left and workers who have supported Trump and suggest that to overturn the corporate state will have to begin locally. That's bottom-up.

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Rob Kall is an award winning journalist, inventor, software architect, connector and visionary. His work and his writing have been featured in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, CNN, ABC, the HuffingtonPost, Success, Discover and other media. 

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He is the author of The Bottom-up Revolution; Mastering the Emerging World of Connectivity

He's given talks and workshops to Fortune 500 execs and national medical and psychological organizations, and pioneered first-of-their-kind conferences in Positive Psychology, Brain Science and Story. He hosts some of the world's smartest, most interesting and powerful people on his Bottom Up Radio Show, and founded and publishes one of the top Google- ranked progressive news and opinion sites,

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet (more...)

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