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Josh Stieber, a former U.S. Army Specialist, is speaking out. A member of the Bravo Company 2-16 whose acts of brutality made headlines this week with the Wikileaks release of the video "Collateral Murder," Stieber says such acts were not isolated incidents, but were commonplace during his tour of duty. "After watching the video, I would definitely say that that is, nine times out of ten, the way things ended up," says Stieber. "Killing was following military protocol. It was going along with the rules as they are."

"Collateral Murder" provides footage from an American Apache helicopter involved in a July 2007 shooting incident outside of Baghdad that left over a dozen people dead, including two Reuters employees. Stieber was not present at the scene, but knows those who were and is familiar with the environment. "A lot of my friends are in that video," he says. "If it shocks and revolts you, it shows the reality of what war is like. If you don't like what you see in it, it means we should be working harder towards alternatives to war."

Stieber is a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War working to promote peace and seek alternatives to combat. He currently resides in Washington, D.C

Josh told me that the horror and disgust over the words and behaviors of the soldiers involved in killing the Reuters photographer are misplaced because they were doing what the system wanted them to do.  He suggests that our challenge is to not question the men but, rather, the system and policies that created them. He's suggesting that the self-righteous indignation currently being aimed at the soldiers who did the shooting should be aimed at the leaders, the policies and values that the US has established for training soldiers.

We talked about the training, the trophies, the awakening he went through.

He blogged about his take on this as well, here.

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project. 

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that this is the best way to fight terrorism? (and... by Nick van Nes on Friday, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:52:52 PM
Keeping on the high moral ground is the best alter... by Maxwell on Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:06:05 AM
There is definitely a great divide between what th... by Steven G. Erickson on Friday, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:04:16 PM
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Enough of this making martyrs out of the reporters... by CRGrizzle on Saturday, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:03:34 AM
By your thinking, no journalists should cover war.... by Rob Kall on Saturday, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:55:19 AM
Maybe the guy is just tired and fed up though. I k... by Ned Lud on Saturday, Apr 10, 2010 at 7:19:32 AM
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Was this a zone in which any person not a member o... by Christopher Rushlau on Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 1:35:09 AM
Thanks to whoever leaked the helicopter video to W... by JK on Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 6:05:29 AM
That's what I take away from this. Not who's to bl... by Maxwell on Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:58:07 AM