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Transcript of Interview with CDR, USN, Phil Butler on the Rob Kall Bottom-up Radio Show (1360 AM WNJC)

Transcription by Jay Farrington and Paul Hawley

Kall:   Great to have you with us here on the Rob Kall Show at 1360 AM. 

Butler:   Thank you. 

Kall:   It's interesting; I've had a couple of emails. Now you wrote this article, "Why I won't Vote for John McCain" and you talk about your experience having been a POW for eight years, huh? 

Butler:   Yes, that's right. 

Kall:  Oh! I'll bet you know exactly how many days after eight years it was, too. 

Butler:   Well, two thousand eight hundred and fifty five days and nights—as a POW. 

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Kall:   Oh my God, it's hard to imagine; it's mind boggling; thank you for your service! 

You know, a couple of people have said, "This guy's doing to John McCain what John Kerry had done to him by the 'Swiftboaters'." 

Butler:   No, that's not true, because I think the swiftboaters got some preconceived lies that they were pushing about John Kerry's service; that he was not a bona fide veteran; his medals weren't real and so forth, and in my article that I've written here,  Why I Won't Vote for John McCain, I say clearly that I respect John (McCain) and I respect his service as a naval officer and also as a POW. 

Kall:   Yeah, let me read what you wrote: "Senator John Sidney McCain III is a remarkable man who's made enormous personal achievement. He's a man that I'm proud to call a POW who returned with honor." 

Butler:   Absolutely. 

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Kall:   So you're not any way like a Swiftboater; I just wanted to kind of clear that up right from the beginning. 

Butler:  No, I'm not in any way in concert with the Swiftboat Liars. 

Kall:   Yes. OK, what I wanted to do was kind of go into some of the things you said in your article, and kind of go into them in a little more detail. Sound OK? 

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded Opednews.com-- which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project. 

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Thanks for getting this interview! I'll post t... by Nicholas Smith on Monday, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:32:28 PM
My niece graduated from the Naval Academy, as did ... by Laurianne Manchester on Monday, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:50:53 PM
that defines the differences between the candidate... by MJ Creech on Monday, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:24:58 PM
this is insane. how does anyone have any support i... by Jeremy Nino on Monday, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:29:50 PM
When I was in the patrol bomber VP Navy during the... by John Hanks on Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:15:04 AM
and confirms my gut feelings about Mccain and why ... by Hope Hofmann on Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:27:40 AM
The interview with CDR Butler points up an importa... by Richard Wise on Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:03:05 AM