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MISCONCEPTIONS

Brad Griffeth

Please excuse my late arising, for I have only recently awakened. Since a chance web search last March with the search term "9-11", I have investigated as much data as I can about 9-11, which has led me on a quest I never imagined I would engage in. In short, I now perceive the world more as it truly is , as when Neo (Keanua Reeves) is shown the truth of his existence as a battery for an alien species in the blockbuster movie "The Matrix". Since then, I have read over 25 books on the subject of Bush, 9-11 and the "War on Terrorism" from George HW and Clinton through today. I also spend a few hours nearly every day online at such diverse sites as Prisonplanet.com, TheNation.com, Salon.com, Rense.com and many others. For anyone who wants real worldwide information, I have come to the sad conclusion that the U.S. mainstream media sucks, and it's now a world where you must immerse yourself in data from as many sources as you can find, and then separate the wheat from the chaff, in order to get a true picture of the world around you.

We are fighting a series of wars using a law enforcement style, that is, fighting terrorists by hunting them down, and capturing or killing individuals identified as important. This assumes (and haven't we heard this a million times on TV) that the terrorists hate us for what we stand for, our freedoms and ideals of equality. If we listen to what Muslim clerics and Bin Laden are saying about why they are fighting a defensive jihad, or holy war, they will list 6 things that show the US and her ally Israel are already fighting a war against the Muslim peoples, and their fatwas, their declarations or rulings against us, clearly show that the Muslims fight us because of our foreign policy actions around the world that target Muslims. Bin Laden's foreign policy goals can be easily stated. 1) The end of all US aid to Israel, its dismantling, and a Palestinian state installed. 2) The withdrawal of all US and western military forces from the Arabian Peninsula and all other Muslim lands. 3) The end of all involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. 4) The end of US support and 'enabling' for all regimes that repress their Muslim citizens including China, Russia, India, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and others. 5) Restoring full control of oil to the Muslim people that inhabitat the land, along with fair market prices. 6) Replace the US protected Muslim regimes that do not govern according to Islam by regimes that will rule this way." (1) (only Afghanistan, before our invasion, met this criteria as he sees it). These goals and the evidence of the wars around us should lead one to the conclusion that this is a war against insurgents, not terrorists, and that fighting them with a law enforcement paradigm using CIA, FBI and the army together to round up and prosecute small numbers of people will only lead more Muslims to realize that we are on a Crusade against their religion. Our right wing Christian Fundamentalists arguing for trying to eradicate Islam, or at least bellowing such swill at the top of their lungs, is noticed by others in the Muslim world and only reinforces their claim; unlike the vast majority of people in the US, Bin Laden and other Muslims study what is said in America about Muslims, especially by the fundamentalists and neoconservatives. What they hear, and observe from our actions and treatment of captives, has led most Muslims to conclude that at least some hard core elements of our government and Israel's ARE gunning for the religion of Islam. Therefore, it is the duty of every Muslim to fight a defensive Jihad against the invaders and occupiers, as their religion specifically mentions times when violence is acceptable when defending the faith. When we seek to enforce fundamental changes in a well established and old religion, such as condemning defensive jihad warriors (which is a tenet of the faith) or control how charitable giving is monitored, we are asking them the change another main pillar of their faith. Would we allow a group in power in the US to tell us "you can remain Christian, but we will monitor all church charities, punish with incarceration those that oppose us, and, by the way, you must stop worshiping Jesus Christ." We wouldn't stand for it, and we must realize that our actions and words towards the Muslim faith come across exactly as decrees interfering with they way their worship. So the first new truth we should take from this is that we are fighting a much bigger war, against a much bigger enemy and for a much different reason than the propaganda machines in the media told us. We should also realize that while we in the West have separation of church and state, in the Muslim world "God and Caesar' are one.

The next major point we need to examine and change our perception of is the real makeup of the training that goes on in the 'terrorist training camps' now springing up all over the Muslim majority countries. The majority of the training is dedicated to producing fighters and not terrorists, most of the men that graduate these camps become fighters in the greater war, not members of a terrorist cell strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up a subway. They use a unified training manual across all these camps, so that fighters with different languages and customs can fight effectively along side each other. Most are trained to the standards of a basic-trained US army field soldier, with knowledge of vehicles, weapons, and useful tactics (2) Until we realize the vast discrepancy between our illusions and the reality of this situation, we will continue to flounder on, with our every action inciting more Muslims to join the Jihad while capturing a few here and there. We must either start treating this a real war and fight accordingly, or begin to change our foreign policy and gain the respect of the Muslim world.

The best writing on the subject of foreign policy failures in the War on Terror come from an author who is a senior US intelligence official with experience in Afghanistan and South Asia who points out that almost every decision so far in these wars has made things worse, that the policies were made almost exclusively by people who knew nothing about the region and its peoples and politics, or worse by those that THOUGHT they knew this data, but their perceptions were so skewed from reality that disaster is following. He calls this our imperial hubris. Worse, the top levels of the military and intelligence services seem reluctant to tell the Bush administration the ugly truth, and those that do are quickly marginalized and retired, leaving only those sycophants left to whisper 'we are winning' in the ears of the President and Congress. I will now paraphrase pages 200-206 of "Imperial Hubris" by Anonymous, including a very relevant, almost prescient quote from one of the Founding Fathers.

On July 4, 1821, then Secretary of State John Quincy Adams stood in the well of the House of Representatives and delivered a speech, including this passage that seems particularly relevant today:
" America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion of vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her own example. She well knows that by once enlisting under banners other than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, ambition, which assumed the colors and usurped the standards of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.....She might become the dictatress of the world. She would no longer be the ruler of her own spirit" (3)

We appear to be nation-building in Iraq and Afghanistan, and regime changing in Burma, Haiti, Liberia, Zimbabwe and now Somalia and maybe Iran. We attempt to change these countries by westernizing and secularizing the beliefs of the worlds 1.3 billion Muslims. We try to change the way they use their own country's resources, who will build and take profit from their installed infrastructure, and how much they will be paid for 'their share' of the profits, as we seek to control the price of oil for the future. We try to influence Muslim school curriculum and even how Muslim charitable giving is overseen, (meaning: discouraged) as this is one way to trace terrorist funding. Adams would have been appalled. He, as a Senator, spoke out against President Polk's 1846 start of the long war with Mexico, started by a false flag event, in order to secure more land for US settlers who had spread into land claimed by Mexico. Adams' above warning is as applicable today as when he spoke it. As Anonymous explains what Adams meant "First, Adams warning - that championing the cause of democracy for foreign peoples whose culture, politics and society America does not understand would trap the United States abroad 'beyond the power of extrication' - ought to give Americans pause in this year of our Lord 2004. ...Not only was Afghanistan about as non-American a milieu as is possible to conceive when we invaded, but there is little evidence -- via our leaders' words and actions, or the war's results -- that our elected, civil service, intelligence, diplomatic or military officials spent any time reading and digesting what can be modestly described as the the mass of 'checkable' data about Afghanistan our official archives held before crossing the Oxus River from Central Asia." (4)

So we chase Adams' 'monsters' around Afghanistan and Iraq, and look to expand this war now it seems to Palestine, Iran and maybe Libya. While what we are really fighting is a whole religion-full of pissed off people, furious for our attacks on their lands and spiritual beliefs, watching as we set up permanent bases in Iraq, that just coincidentally, fall along the route of a long proposed pipeline system through Iraq. We bring in contractors from outside to do any of the rebuilding of infrastructure that we DO rebuild (less and less, it seems) instead of providing jobs for citizens of the country we are trying to rebuild, we outlaw the Baathists in Iraq soon after arriving, so that 90% of the old bureaucrats (you had to be a Baathist to be a public official under Saddam) are now fighting against us, unemployed, instead of helping to work for their country any more. If we had maybe just fired the top couple of levels of Baathists and let the rest help with the new government, the mainly Sunni Baathists could have felt more inclined to support a new, mainly Shia government under proper concessions about rights and oil profit sharing. We should have kept much of the army intact and started training and PAYING the soldiers, instead of disbanding the army on arrival then waiting for months to call them back after many had decided to not return, and instead joined up with the insurgency. Now it appears Bush wants the new surge troops to first sweep for Sunni' insurgents in Baghdad then go after Maktada Al Sadr's Shia army, thus ensuring more violence from both sides being directed at us, and the erosion of power of the puppet Prime Minister we installed. While we look to 'prosecute' the war by proving to the world on Fox news how Iran supplied some weapons, or the new shape-charged IED's that are SO more effective shredding vehicles, (even armored Humvees) and then foaming at the mouth at them on our media, we seem to ignore, (not just not report in the news) the growing violence in Afghanistan and the civil war in Iraq. This seems to me like running back and swatting twice more that pesky hornets nest you have already knocked off the garden shed. As more Muslims come to understand our seeming Crusade against Islam, they are pouring money, support and trained soldiers into these conflicts, and the results are that while WE fight a mainly defensive war, and use small conflict 'prosecution' raids against these insurgents, their numbers and strength continue to grow; while ours diminish from deaths and incapacitating injuries and weaken from long tours of duty while our numbers remain about the same. The cost of this war continuing in this way for even another 5 years will finally and completely bankrupt this country.

As well, Muslims see how the ongoing wars are reported or not in most of the western press, and one of the biggest thing they are coming to realize is that WE are using weapons of mass destruction, having used many tons of DU (so called 'depleted' uranium) tipped ordinance including certain bullets and especially the biggest bunker-buster type bombs. This ordinance spreads micro-fine particles of DU into the air, where they spread down wind, and can already be detected in quantity in northwestern India, let alone the neighboring states of Iran, Pakistan and others. With only one or two particles ingested into the lungs, cancers can soon follow as the strongly radioactive speck gets into the blood in most cases and travels around the body, randomly mutating cells. These weapons should have been outlawed years ago after Gulf War one but have also now been used in Kosovo. I believe this is the cause of the Gulf War Syndrome in US veterans, and also the reason that Italy pulled it's peacekeeper forces from central Asia, (actually reported as the reason by the UK paper "The Telegraph in early 2000) as many were getting sick. Now imagine that in Iraq, where it appears we have used many times the amount used in previous occasions, we have poisoned much of the country; and all the people, including our servicemen, by now have been exposed many times. According to doctors, only one particle ingested can cause death. The man in charge of the DU weapons project during the 90's for the US military will not show up on military web sites search engines, as if he doesn't exist. But Dr Doug Rokke, a 35 year career soldier, appears in one of the DU articles I have read, describing how he and his team spent 3 MONTHS after the Gulf War cleaning up DU on just 24 affected tanks that were finally shipped home, where 3 more years of cleaning finally saw them 'cool' enough to use again. Now, at the time of the article in December 2002, he says that within 72 hours, his team started feeling sick, and now 30 of his 100 man team have died. Bokke himself now suffers from a whole host of ailments, including brain lesions, skin pustules, chronic fatigue syndrome, reactive airway disease(wheezing and coughing all the time) and even fibromyalgia, a condition causing pain in muscles, ligaments and tendons. The VA tested his urine in 1994, and when he got the results ( a full 2.5 years later) his urine had 5000 times the permissible amount of uranium. This is someone who was exposed for 3 months. What is like to be exposed for over three years? If I included some of the pictures I've seen posted by doctors in Iraq and Afghanistan of babies born with severe birth defects, many of you would probably puke all over your computer. But for those with the will and stomach for it, I include a few links to some of the results of our use of these WMD weapons. The first two articles back up my assertions about the use and effect of these weapons, including the fact that lung cancer in the US just spiked to 6-8 TIMES the normal rate in 2006. The third and fourth have the appalling pictures.

http://www.rense.com/general69/soar.htm
http://www.rense.com/general70/deple.htm
http://www.rense.com/general74/afgg.htm
http://www.rense.com/general35/perp.htm

I must do a quick plug for 'underground' media sites. The few stories that do get printed in the western 'mainstream' media about some of these tough issues we were misled on are not just published but cached on-site, because as many readers know by now, a story that shows up on the New York Times site one day can disappear within hours and leave no clues behind. I know this is fact because it's happened to me on the Times site and others; the next day even if you search the site by author or title of the article, it won't appear in the search window. The most egregious one that occurred to me personally was reading a story on a local news site in Colorado about the death of Hunter S. Thompson, published that day, in which it was alleged he had been shot in the back of the head and the case was being investigated as murder. The mainstream media sites never reported this, instead parroting the official party line that he died as result of a self-inflicted shotgun wound. How does somone shoot themselves with a shotgun in the back of the head? How does one reach the trigger?

Now I hope I have shown areas where the our perceptions of the war, its effects and results and how it is perceived by Muslims is flawed and is leading us to create a more dangerous world. This New World Order is one where everybody is at higher risk of dying, either from World War 3 developing or just from the worldwide effects of DU dust. I now go on to lay out the case showing just what groups in the US and Israel seem to be responsible for much of the way we are fighting this war, and for what reason they do so. I'll admit, the next few sections, unless you have already looked into this, will blow your mind. The so called 'neoconservatives' of our government are one group. Many of them were members of PNAC, the Project for a New American Century, which is a think tank that published a report in September 2000. "PNAC was founded by Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, Zalmay Khalilzad and the now-indicted Lewis 'Scooter' Libby, among others. In September 2000, they publicly called for sending U.S. forces into Iraq -- even if Saddam Hussein was already gone -- as well as planting new bases in Central Asia, putting weapons in space, building new nukes and funding a vast militarization of American society. Being such savvy inside players and all, they recognized that this lunatic program would not be accepted by the American people -- unless, of course, the nation was struck by a "catalyzing event" like "a new Pearl Harbor." Who says dreams don't come true?" (5) (my emphasis added). The wars are going right as planned according to these people. Did you know the first proposed name for the Iraq war was "Operation Iraqi Liberation" which was quickly changed when someone pointed out the acronym created by the title was OIL?

After reading and digesting, as I said, over 25 books on the subjects involved, including books by Woodward, James Risen, Richard Clarke, two by Michael Moore, two by Hunter S. Thompson, Maureen Dowd, Amy Goodman, David Ray Griffin and perhaps the most well researched of all, Naffez Mossadeq Ahmed's The War on Truth", I have concluded the following. The groups within the US that seem to be involved are the neoconservatives, the right wing fundamentalist Christian groups, elements within big banking, oil, and arms like KBR and Halliburton; AND the hard line Israel lobby, the so called Zionists. Let me make this clear.....I DO NOT SAY JUDAISM OR THE MAJORITY OF THE ISRAELI PEOPLE APPROVE OF, LET ALONE KNOW OF THESE POLICIES, AND I AM NOT JUST 'SPEWING' ANTI-SEMITIC RHETORIC. Nonetheless, we must realize that there does exist a segment within both our countries that is behind the policies; and decisions are made, for the most part, without input from other viewpoints and mainly in secret. Whatever phrase you call this group doesn't matter one iota except as a convenient way for the western media to label you a hate monger or anti-semite when you speak out about their policies. What DOES matter is that our country, ever since the end of World War two, has become more and more a rule by the wealthy few, for the wealthy few, and not a nation for the 'people, by the people'. It started with the collusion of banking and arms manufactures after the war, both hoping for an unstable world in which arms can be sold to both sides and profiting from misery and destruction (after all, someone has to finance those transactions and the reconstruction efforts). As more people with this mindset retired from the military to work for arms firms they banded together with like minded idealogues and started right wing think tanks that seek to change foreign policy in their favor. Now with Bush/Cheney in power, these groups are licking their chops over the billions in profits to be made from selling weapons to both sides, no bid reconstruction contracts, and unfair oil agreements with the warred upon countries. If people have to die in mass quantities to achieve these goals, so be it. One of the stated goals of the neocons is worldwide population reduction of 80%, and it seems they are off to a good start with the use of DU. Should we wait until they use biologicals before we stop them?

ALL ROADS LEAD TO 9-11

OK, now for the big one. If you agree that I have shown that we are fighting wars against a religion, not small cells of terrorists, for the main purpose of money (oil) and that the people in charge are high in the government and big business and are the only ones profiting from these wars, wouldn't you like to find the reason all this was started? When a crime occurs, what is the first question of the investigator? It is 'who stands to profit from the crime?' The second is 'preserve any and all POSSIBLE evidence' so that various experts can analyze it and try to determine who is responsible. So, apply those to the biggest crime is US history, 9-11. Who stands to profit from the wars started from this incident? And of course, the answer is the same people who wrote that their policies of change in the PNAC document could not be effected "absent some catalyzing event, like another Pearl Harbour"; and those in the arms and oil business. What happened to the evidence? The steel from the WTC was quickly sold to recyclers overseas, except for some that was re-used here in the building of a couple of new ships of war. Not one CSI type individual was allowed to examine the evidence, other than NIST and FEMA, and their reports, even when they observe an anamoly like sulfur deposits on the steel beams, do nothing to try to explain it, while ignoring much of the data observed from seismographs and the 'inexplicable' destruction of WTC building 7 late in the afternoon of 9-11. Speaking for myself as a meteorologist with a minor in physics, I can tell you that the government's theory of how the towers fell CANNOT happen in the universe as we know it. No building that falls in a 'pancake collapse', where the stories of the towers that failed in the areas of the fires collapsed and the increasing stress on the floor below then caused these floors in turn to collapse one by one, can fall to the ground at free-fall speed. This is the speed an object dropped from the top of the towers through clear air would take to hit the ground. Neither can their story explain why huge chunks of the building, one weighing as much as TWO fully loaded 767's were thrown sideways from the collapse and embed themselves in other buildings 450 feet away, nor the FACT that over 90% of the concrete in these buildings was pulverized to dust. These things can only occur with the addition of massive amounts of energy, in the form of explosive/demolition charges. The sulfur deposits mentioned but never explained by NIST have been explained by a physics professor from BYU, who was sent some samples of the WTC steel by a concerned rescue worker who was forced to 'steal' it during the cleanup. Here is a link to his peer reviewed article on the subject, in which he postulates that an extreme heat version of thermate, called thermite, was responsible.

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These substances are used widely by large demolition companies to bring a building down in it's own footprint. There are two main reasons the destruction of WTC 1 and 2 look different to the eye of one who has seen large buildings demolished on shows on the Discovery Channel and others. 1) The building were demolished from the top down, not the usual bottom up model, and 2) the amount of explosives used was overkill, used to 'Shock and Awe' the people who witnessed this on TV. If you watch WTC-7 come down on video, it's collapse follows the usual pattern associated with demolition, as central interior columns are taken out first, the building 'crimps' or appears to fold in on itself, then comes down. If you watch slow motion of the towers coming down, you can see explosive 'squib' charges detonating on floors well below the area that is currently collapsing.

There is so much more evidence to see that refutes the story issued by our government, and if you haven't seen any of the documentaries on the subject, here are some of the best. All use video taken that day by all the mainstream media sources; most of this video was shown only on 9-11, then never again. All of these can watched for free on Google, and if you wish to watch them full screen, download the player and the movie from the site and watch it that way. Here is a partial list for those who are now able to "handle the truth". "In Plane Site", "9-11 Mysteries", "Press for Truth" (about the fight of the 9-11 widows to get Bush to start a formal inquiry), Alex Jones' "Terrorstorm" and the best of them all, by two college students for an initial budget under $10,000, is "Loose Change" This documentary has been updated several times and the newest one is the "second edition, recut". They are also currently making one for mainstream movie release with a budget of 60 million that should come out this spring. Other mainstream movies that explore some of these subjects, at least peripherally, are of course Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9-11", Aaron Russo's "Freedom to Fascism", and "Why We Fight"; two are available at big video stores, or in theaters not controlled by big media in the case of Russo's film.

Until we change our perceptions of the war and the real reasons it is being fought, we will continue to make things worse. We desperately need to 'clean house' in our government, mainly of the un-elected people behind the scenes that are goading us to an ever-expanding war. If we don't restore the rights and priviledges that have been stolen from the people by the the two Patriots Acts, the Warner act, and the Military Commission Act, among others, BEFORE Bush leaves office, (or after, using my favorite word right now, impeachment) the next president, whether Democrat or Republican, will continue to consolidate power in the executive branch and we will become more and more fascist. Already, protests get no mainstream media coverage, and protests in 'sensitive areas' like near a speech by Bush get moved quite far way from the action. The neocons have learned well the lesson "out of sight, out of mind'. Protesters have been arrested for no reason, beaten and even tasered by over zealous cops, emboldened by the fact that rarely, if ever, are they held accountable for such actions. We have rounded up illegal aliens and their families, including infants, (Swift meat-packing workers recently) and incarcerated them in 'camps' not to mention the over 1000 US Muslims rounded up after 9-11 spending time in places like Gitmo. People have verbally attacked the lawyers working pro bono for these poor souls, even going so far as to name many of the law firms they work for, and calling for big business to boycott these patriotic firms. Mainstream media's monopolies must be broken up, so at least some journalists can work for where they feel they can speak the truth without fear of reprisals such as losing their jobs. The main thing we need is a comprehensive investigation of a whole slew of subjects, including 9-11, the use of torture, war profiteering, Cheney's role with Halliburton while VP, and the deaths of Senator Wellstone and the great journalist Hunter S Thompson.

I close with a portion of an article written and published within 24 hours of 9-11; reading it over five years later seems to make the case for a man able to see the future. It comes from Thompson's "Kingdom of Fear".

"The Battle of the World Trade Center lasted about 99 minutes and cost 20,000 lives in two hours (according to unofficial estimates as of midnight Tuesday)"... "And it was not even Bombs that caused this massive damage. No nuclear missiles were launched from any foreign soil, no enemy bombers flew over New York and Washington to rain death on innocent Americans. No. It was four commercial jetliners."
...."The towers are gone now, reduced to bloody rubble, along with all hope of Peace in Our Time, in the United States or in any other country. Make no Mistake about it: We are At War now--with somebody-- and we will stay at At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives.
It will be a Religious War, a sort of Christian Jihad, fueled by religious hatred and led by merciless fanatics on both sides. It will be guerrilla warfare on a global scale, with no front lines and no identifiable enemy. Osama Bin Laden may be a primitive 'figurehead'--or even dead, for all we know--but whoever put those All-American jet planes loaded with All-American fuel into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon did it with chilling precision and accuracy."
.... "We are going to punish somebody for this attack, but just who or what will be blown to smithereens for it is hard to say. Maybe Afghanistan, maybe Pakistan or Iraq, or possibly all three at once. Who knows? Not even the Generals in what remains of the Pentagon or the New York papers calling for WAR seem to know who did it or where to look for them.
This is going to be a very expensive war, and Victory is not guaranteed--for anyone, and certainly not for anyone as baffled as George W Bush. All he knows is that his father started the war a long time ago, and that he, the goofy child-President, has been chosen by Fate and the global Oil industry to finish it Now. He will declare a National Security Emergency and clamp down Hard on Everybody, no matter where they live or why. If the guilty won't hold up their hands and confess, he and the Generals will ferret them out by force.
Good luck. He is in for a profoundly difficult job--armed as he is with no credible Military Intelligence, no witnesses, and only the ghost of Bin Laden to blame for this tragedy.
OK. It is 24 hours later now, and we are not getting much information about the five W's of this thing.
The numbers out of the Pentagon are baffling, as if Military Censorship has already been imposed on the media. It is ominous. The only news on TV comes from weeping victims and ignorant speculators.
The lid is on. Loose Lips Sink Ships. Don't say anything that might give aid to The Enemy."
September 12, 2001 (6)


(1) Anonymous "Imperial Hubris", Brasseys Inc, 2004, page 210
(2) Anonymous "Imperial Hubris", Brasseys Inc, 2004, page 63, 217
(3) Anonymous "Imperial Hubris", Brasseys Inc, 2004, page 200
(4) Anonymous "Imperial Hubris", Brasseys Inc, 2004, page 201
(5) "PNAC's Dead Cities -First Fallujah, Baghdad Next?" Chris Floyd, The Moscow Times, April 17, 2006
(6) Hunter S. Thompson "Kingdom of Fear: Loathsome secrets of a Star-Crossed Child in the Final Days of the American Century" Simon and Schuster, pages 161-162

 

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I had to get the ball rolling and say I agree with... by Brad Griffeth on Thursday, Feb 15, 2007 at 7:02:49 PM