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January 2, 2009 at 03:52:16     
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A Dissent Against All the Israel Bashing

Diary Entry by John Lorenz (about the author)

 

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I'm sick of hearing how this current conflict is all Israeli barbarity and how the Palestinians are "innocent" victims. I'm sick of hearing U.N. and Arab selective outrage. Before people bitch about Israel, they need to re-evaluate their entire reason for anger towards Israel while they hypocriticalliy support and coddle Hamas terrorists.

While I hate the violence that is having to go on regarding the Israeli bombing, one has to remember that the Palestinian peoples overwhelmingly support Hamas and approve of its rocketing Israel without provocation. They ignore the fact that that Hamas which most Palestinians view as "freedom fighters" fail to adhere to civilized rules of conduct toward their own and foreign countries' civilians, and  this they do, ignoring the civilian  suffering Hamas barbarically inflicts when it suits its political will to do so.  I'm sick of hearing about so-called "barbarism of Israel" while these same critics ignore the very real, cruel and systematic barbarism of Hamas.  After all, Hamas's stated goal is the total destruction of Israei. Therefore, I see Hamas as a cancer on the Palestinian people, whether they admit it or not.

In my view Hamas deserves to be targeted because they will never stop seeking ways to destroy Israel. Look at it this way: If Israel had as its only reason to exist the utter destruction of Palestinians, and if Israel were always initiating these fights first, then I would be on the Palestinians side.

 Of course nobody in their right mind enjoys the idea of civilians being collateral damage, but these same people screaming about Israel's attacks are the very same ones who use their  own populace as human shields and hide their munitions in mosques and private homes and the same people who strap bombs onto their boys, their women and their young men, having no qualms about doing that.

I'm sorry, but I'm more willing to look the other way at this Israeli campaign until Palestinians  start valuing the lives of other peoples as much as they scream for other people. When you have large numbers of Hamas operatives hiding in hospitals and some posing as medical staff, when you have some Hamas members also hiding in mosques and some of those mosques have been turned into operational headquarters, then the Palestinian people, supporting Hamas as they do, are hardly victims. In numerous cases prior to an Israeli airstrike, the Israeli Air Force (IAF) notified civilians in the area of the impending attack, despite this hampering military operations. How does Hamas respond? Hamas takes advantage of the IAF's warnings and places civilians on the roofs of the targeted buildings in order to use human shields to either prevent the air strikes or cause civilian deaths which they can use as a propaganda tool. Iraeli air and naval forces have had to attack some 20 Hamas targets throughout the Gaza Strip on New Years Eve, including five smuggling tunnels along the 'Philadelphi Route' used by Hamas to smuggle arms and terrorists in and out of Gaza, a weapons manufacturing and storage facility in central Gaza, a command center of Hamas' police force in Rafah, and a Hamas coastal base on the shore adjacent to Gaza City. Hamas also used a mosque in the Tel El Hawwa neighborhood in Gaza City as a storage site for Katyushas and Kassam rockets, as well as a staging ground for rocket and missile launches. The strike set off numerous secondary explosions, caused by the munitions stockpiled in the mosque. So the collateral damage to civilians is largely Hamas's fault. Israel is forced to target these facilities if it is to take out the arms caches. But the Arab propagandists scream about Israeli atrocities when they in fact don't value their own peoples' lives.

Hamas started this. Israel didn't. Hamas has been busy smuggling arms and fighters in through hundreds of tunnels and have planned this for a long time before they started rocketing Israel. They of course use the excuse for starting their violence that Israel  provoked them by imprisoning the Palestinians inside Gaza.

Escuse me, whose suicide bombers prompted Israel to do that?

The Arabs always seem to have a host of ready-made reasons to shift the entire blame onto Israel, but they forget that Israel has been forced to wall off Gaza because the Palestinians kept sending suicide bombers across the border into Israel. So once Hamas couldn't send suicide bombers anymore, the shifted tactics and began with the rocket attacks on Israel.  And all their rage against the Egyptian government is hypocritical as well because Egypt couldn't open their border due to an agreement with the European Union and the UN in which there was to be monitoring and international observers if the border were to have an opening into Egypt. Unfortunately, no such observers were ever put in place.

So if Israel imprisoned Palestinians in Gaza and other places, it is to be understood that Israel correctly saw free and open borders as a threat to their own security. How would these 'progressives' who denounce Israel like it if their families were sitting duck targets of incoming missles from Mexico, let's say? 

Americans need to remember that on 9-11 the Palestinians were by in large DANCING IN THE STREETS and celebrating the unprovoked murder of 4000 innocent civilians in the World Trade Center. Remember, the Palestinians rejoiced at all those 9/11 casualties and deaths.

I don't see right now any Americans dancing in the streets,  rejoicing in the deaths of Palestinians. Maybe in the West WE could just as justifiably be dancing in the streets like they did and we could be viewing these Palestians who have been killed as just that many fewer future suicide bombers that we have to worry about who oculd in the future attack our respective countries. We could take this view over here in the USA, that is, if we were as cold blooded and hateful as the more exteme Palestinians and their hooded terrorists seem to be.

And to those who say Hamas is the legally elected government in Gaza, have they forgotten the coup that Hamas staged, killing many of their own people who belonged to Fatah, in order to wrest  absolute control in Gaza? The fact that Hamas operatives were elected doesn't justify or legitimize them. It is a sad commentary on the radicalism of the Palestinian populace that would elect such people and approve their butchery. 

This all could have been avoided if the Islamic crappy religious fanatics in their hypocrisy didn't teach their respective Arab peoples so much hate. Israel would probably be glad to coexist and trade with the Arabs if these weren't out to just flat out destroy Israel.

The poverty and misery of many of the Arab, and particularly the Palestinian peoples is, at least to a significant degree, their own fault for being so radical and violent all the time. Israel has certainly made a go of its society with less than a century of existence as a nation.

Israel is a technological and cultural leader in many endeavors of intellect and science and they have done it possessing only a few square miles of rocky waste land as their country. Why can't Arab countries, with their vast resources at least equal that? I believe it is the role of Islam that is partly to blame for the backwardness. I'm sorry but I see Islam as a belligerant religion that makes hate more palatable among its followers. Also there is lots of blame shifting.

I know I may be attacked for my views, but I don't care. If you don't like my diary, then don't read it.

 

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thank you by Joan Brunwasser on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 9:44:17 AM
Oh Boo Hoo! by Bia Winter on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:05:04 AM
Oh boo hoo to you too, by John Lorenz on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:47:18 AM
Creeps? ... is OEN descending into juvenile discourse? by Mr M on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 12:00:07 PM
Jewish Homeland by Alan Murphy Smith on Saturday, Jan 3, 2009 at 11:26:48 PM
Its not considered stealing if the UN OK's it... by Steven Leser on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 12:15:56 AM
Bia by Cheryl Biren on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 6:33:01 PM
As death is death, coming from a rocket or an Israeli ... by Mr M on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:48:53 AM
Tell us Mr Lorenz, what books have you read on this subject? by Richard Mynick on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 12:20:29 PM
It is tiresome by Laudyms on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 12:59:31 PM
It's OK for you to express your contempt, but not for me to, by John Lorenz on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 3:28:57 PM
Speaking of expression ... by Mr M on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 5:54:17 PM
What's wrong with calling people creeps? by John Lorenz on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 3:17:15 PM
I see, so your answer is to not rise above but to use ... by Mr M on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 5:32:57 PM
Who are you? The Self-Appointed Intellectual? by John Lorenz on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 3:23:57 PM
ok, I'll bite; what are your sources by Rady Ananda on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 4:31:37 PM
"ZZZZzzzzziiittTT POP!" by Mr M on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:50:20 PM
Lorenz blusters, "I read extensively my own sources..," but by Richard Mynick on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 4:42:24 PM
I'm not sure reading those books/authors will change anyones by Steven Leser on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 12:04:38 AM
When you say that Chomsky is "biased," does that mean you by Richard Mynick on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:34:49 PM
Yes, Chomsky explained in his emails to me that by Steven Leser on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:37:15 PM
"dis" their own people? by Alan Murphy Smith on Saturday, Jan 3, 2009 at 11:43:06 PM
Israel as a Jewish state has no right to exist by Darren Wolfe on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 7:59:54 PM
I Used to Support Israel... by Richard Volaar on Friday, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:15:12 PM
Hold you ground, John by Sandy Sand on Saturday, Jan 3, 2009 at 5:54:58 AM
The fallacy of the "Dancing after 9/11" charge by Richard Mynick on Saturday, Jan 3, 2009 at 12:27:03 PM
Perhaps, but to me the most disturbing piece in... by Steven Leser on Saturday, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:46:48 PM
Sandy by Alan Murphy Smith on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:40:33 PM
John Lorenz is the Number One Contributor to OEN by Jason Paz on Saturday, Jan 3, 2009 at 6:25:26 AM
Insults, the first response to a weak argument ... by Mr M on Saturday, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:29:10 AM
We can support the people without supporting the government! by William Cormier on Saturday, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:44:50 AM
Chery & Sandy by jersey girl on Saturday, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:46:22 AM
Rich M., see this one as another case in point. by Steven Leser on Saturday, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:49:05 PM
my comment by Philip Pease on Saturday, Jan 3, 2009 at 9:29:07 AM
The problem with your position and that of Bush... by Steven Leser on Saturday, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:54:12 PM
Excellent by Joe Bechtold on Friday, Jan 9, 2009 at 9:23:08 AM
some thoughts from Ilan Pappe... by richard on Saturday, Jan 3, 2009 at 4:33:48 PM
The Punch and Judy Show... by waldopaper on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 12:00:44 PM
Cooler Heads Have Prevailed on This Thread by Jason Paz on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:28:11 PM
Your idea of whose heads are "cooler," & of who has by Richard Mynick on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:42:15 PM

 
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