...than I dare to be.  More of the same.  McCain by a "slight margin" because the churchoids will come out in droves... enough so the electronic "election" fixers can make it "believable" to the "Democratic" Annies... who will continue to "call" whoever and "demand" whatever... while the looting continues ubabated by the right-wing (instead of the DLC left wing) of "the enterprise" now fully "privatized." 

No "decent government" will intervene because 1) there aren't any, and 2) they will have a hard-enough time staying in control as energy and food decline.  The Looters will retire to their private Fiefdoms, and we will be on our own.  

It won't be a "revolution." It will be a Civil War.  

 

by waldopaper (15 articles, 3 quicklinks, 34 diaries, 609 comments [84 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Sep 14, 2008 at 10:02:13 AM

Waldo, I welcome your insights.  We might indeed enjoy trading more over a mug of draft.

by Rafe Pilgrim (63 articles, 0 quicklinks, 20 diaries, 84 comments [12 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Sep 14, 2008 at 10:29:32 AM

If there were a mass movement creating a third party, I would vote for that party. But there is none, and in fact the mass movement is Obama's campaign which has mobilized people in surprising ways -- which is why he was able to beat Hillary. When someone begins bottom-up politics and mobilizes people, there are all sorts of possiblities. So, if you have a sense of what's involved in social movements, they don't arise out of purist politics; they tend to arise out of impure cross-currents.

But, besides that, I do believe there is a difference, and there
would have been a difference if Gore or Kerry had won. That doesn't
mean they would implement my political views but they can move in
different directions -- and that's important. With McCain-Palin it's
almost a certainty that the war in the Middle East will expand, that
the US will be moving toward war with Russia, that the Supreme Court
will be stacked decisively with fascist-minded people -- we can go
on. With Obama-Biden, there's more possibility that the country can go another direction, particuarly with the pressure of mass movements.

But I also suggest that we listen to what others are saying: the
entire world is hoping and praying that Obama gets elected. The
world is not stupid, they know that McCain-Palin is even more
militarist than Bush-Cheney. This is in addition to listening to the
sentiments of African Americans, and the fact that the McCain-Palin
campaign has been putting out clearcut racial code words. No matter
what, this election is about what we think of possibilities -- and
what we think the social base of a movement can be, and what America can be: the white fright projected by McCain-Palin versus inclusive diversity of Obama-Biden. And that's important.

Hilton

by Hilton Obenzinger (19 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Sunday, Sep 14, 2008 at 8:48:17 PM