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the meaning of justice, in reply to Mikhail Lyubansky

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Your statement is innovative and long-wished-for.

I believe it is essential to examine the meaning of justice.
Here is the extract from the free dictionary on
the meaning of "just".

1.just - used especially of what is legally or ethically right or proper or fitting; "a just and lasting peace"- A.Lincoln; "a kind and just man"; "a just reward"; "his just inheritance"
fair, just - free from favoritism or self-interest or bias or deception; conforming with established standards or rules; "a fair referee"; "fair deal"; "on a fair footing"; "a fair fight"; "by fair means or foul"
honourable, honorable - worthy of being honored; entitled to honor and respect; "an honorable man"; "led an honorable life"; "honorable service to his country"
right - in conformance with justice or law or morality; "do the right thing and confess"
righteous - characterized by or proceeding from accepted standards of morality or justice; "the...prayer of a righteous man availeth much"- James 5:16
unjust - violating principles of justice; "unjust punishment"; "an unjust judge"; "an unjust accusation"

2.just - fair to all parties as dictated by reason and conscience; "equitable treatment of all citizens"; "an equitable distribution of gifts among the children"
fair, just - free from favoritism or self-interest or bias or deception; conforming with established standards or rules; "a fair referee"; "fair deal"; "on a fair footing"; "a fair fight"; "by fair means or foul"
just - used especially of what is legally or ethically right or proper or fitting; "a just and lasting peace"- A.Lincoln; "a kind and just man"; "a just reward"; "his just inheritance"
impartial - showing lack of favoritism; "the cold neutrality of an impartial judge"

3.just - free from favoritism or self-interest or bias or deception; conforming with established standards or rules; "a fair referee"; "fair deal"; "on a fair footing"; "a fair fight"; "by fair means or foul"
just - used especially of what is legally or ethically right or proper or fitting; "a just and lasting peace"- A.Lincoln; "a kind and just man"; "a just reward"; "his just inheritance"
impartial - showing lack of favoritism; "the cold neutrality of an impartial judge"
reasonable, sensible - showing reason or sound judgment; "a sensible choice"; "a sensible person"

4.just - of moral excellence; "a genuinely good person"; "a just cause"; "an upright and respectable man"
righteous - characterized by or proceeding from accepted standards of morality or justice; "the...prayer of a righteous man availeth much"- James 5:16-- end of quote


So I submit that as long as prosecutors have a self-interest, an incentive--
to get convictions for political promotions, justice is irrelevant.
Further, that no official of the justice system should be allowed to own stock in private prisons.

Another example of economic incentives is prohibition, which creates an underworld in which no free speech, no rights, no justice is possible.
The same people who enforce prohibition, the banks who take the cash, the prosecutors who issue charges, the officers who take custody, the jailguards who live off the system, have a self-interest in prohibition and policing the underworld they have created.

And the Mexican drug gangs seem immune. Duh!
As an enabler of human nature the US pursues its ideals--
in attempting to control or forbid or harness human nature
failure is inevitable.
Inalienable rights is a constant of nature.
Therefore justice must be divorced from self-interest.

 

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Understanding the complexity of justice by martinweiss on Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:30:22 PM
Have you seen the book by GLloyd Rowsey on Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:37:37 PM
I will seek it out by martinweiss on Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:50:04 AM
Our justice system, as constituted,... by John Sanchez Jr. on Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:45:37 AM
prosecutorial discretion by martinweiss on Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:37:37 AM
there is a road... by Ned Lud on Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:21:10 AM
self interest by martinweiss on Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:05:06 AM
I'm not sure I'd say Lyubanski's suggestions by GLloyd Rowsey on Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:49:25 PM
In British based judicial systems by Archie on Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:30:34 PM
Martin, where is Pratt Beach in Chicago by Margaret Bassett on Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:25:05 PM
Margaret, by John Sanchez Jr. on Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:45:39 PM
In Chicago a good lawyer knows in advance of court by martinweiss on Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:41:22 PM
That's one gritty description of "Justice" by GLloyd Rowsey on Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:05:05 PM
I haven't gotten to Rawls yet-- by martinweiss on Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:29:38 AM
Aristotle: Justice is giving people what they deserve by Mike Preston on Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:02:58 PM
pretty cool, ted talk as coment by martinweiss on Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:32:50 AM
About Fred Hampton & sheriff who iced him by Margaret Bassett on Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:31:15 AM
Margaret, custom cannot stale your infinite variety by martinweiss on Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:58:57 AM
Martin, whites were often shocked by the by Margaret Bassett on Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:01:12 PM
I was at Channel 11 for the Chicago Seven roundtable by martinweiss on Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 3:37:43 PM