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January 25, 2008 at 15:49:43

Headlined on 1/25/08:
THINK YOU KNOW THE GODSQUAD? THINK AGAIN!

by William Fisher     Page 1 of 3 page(s)

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OK, we liberals are spooked by ‘Jesus Freaks’. We don’t want them passing a Constitutional amendment telling us who we can marry. We don’t want them teaching our kids Creationism. We don’t want them mandating that we just have to have that baby.

 

In short, we don’t want to have anything to do with these fringy lunatics of the religious right.

 

Well, no so fast. Hang on a minute.

 

Would you be surprised to discover that you have a lot more samenesses than differences with Christian evangelicals?

 

Well, so was I. Until I covered a telephone news conference last week sponsored by an evangelist group called Faith in Public Life.

 

The purpose of the conference call was to challenge President Bush to use his State of the Union speech to salvage his legacy by “changing course on the most pressing moral issues of our time.”

 

They must be talking about abortion, stem cell research, school prayer, gay marriage – those so-called ‘values issues’, I thought.

 

Not so.

 

Here’s some of what we reporters heard:

 

First, the participants – some of the best-known names in the evangelical world – called George W. Bush “an explicitly evangelical president” with a “sadly truncated” moral vision.

 

Then these Protestant and Roman Catholic leaders challenged the president to use his speech to announce major changes in his administration’s policies on war, torture, climate change, and U.S. and international poverty.

 

They credited Bush for some of his efforts, including his programs to address the HIV-AIDS pandemic in Africa, increasing foreign aid, and his domestic Faith-based Initiative. But it was highly critical of many other Bush Administration policies, particularly the war in Iraq, providing insufficient resources to help millions of Iraqi refugees, seeming indifference to growing poverty in the U.S., the use of torture, and failure to take a leadership position on global climate change.

 

The group was particularly critical of the president and his team regarding the use of torture as a tool in the war on terrorism. Rev. David Gushee, president of Evangelicals for Human Rights – did you know there was one? -- said, “In his well-intentioned efforts to protect national security, President Bush and his team over-reached by authorizing and employing torture that certainly qualify and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment.”

 

Noting that “these decisions were made in secret” following the September 11, 2001 attacks on the U.S., Gushee said that once abuses such as the Abu Ghraib prison scandal were revealed, the courts, the media and public opinion forced Bush into “a kind of tactical retreat.” But, he added, Bush “still reserves the right to authorize the CIA to employ a range of secret ‘enhanced interrogation’ techniques, including waterboarding.”

 

He criticized the president for threatening to veto pending legislation that would make these practices illegal, and urged him to abandon his objections to using the Army Field Manual as the standard for all interrogations, including those carried out by the CIA.

 

“It is hard to overstate the devastating effect of this policy on the moral standing of the U.S.,” Gushee said. He added that “euphemizing torture as something else does not make it any less torture.”

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William Fisher has managed economic development programs in the Middle East and elsewhere for the US State Department and the US Agency for International Development. He served in the international affairs area in the Kennedy Administration and now writes on subjects ranging from human rights to foreign affairs for a number of newspapers ond online journals.

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Frank J. Ranelli is an editorial writer, a research author and critic. He is also a senior editor for OpEdNews. His erudite and chic style of writing has been lauded and extensively published in a variety of news outlets and across the Internet. These include the Naples Daily News, The Online Journal, Information Clearing House, Alternet, The Smirking Chimp, and the former progressive journal of thought, Wicked Philosophy. Frank is currently working on his upcoming book, Rise of the Authoritaria...

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Frank J. RanelliFrank J. Ranelli is an editorial writer, a research author and critic. He is also a senior editor for OpEdNews. His erudite and chic style of writing has been lauded and extensively published in a variety of news outlets and across the Internet. These include the Naples Daily News, The Online Journal, Information Clearing House, Alternet, The Smirking Chimp, and the former progressive journal of thought, Wicked Philosophy. Frank is currently working on his upcoming book, Rise of the Authoritaria...

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I know the "faithful" all too well!

Sorry William, but as a liberal and secular humanist, these people do not have anything in common with me. The faithful are as blind as they are foolish. I cannot find common ground with uninformed parishioners of mystical beings that simply do not exist.

These are the very same people that virulently picket the funerals of fallen soldiers, who happen to be gay, with signs proclaiming, "God hates fags."

The same pious minions who believe in an incredulous deity -- who was ostensibly given birth by a virgin woman -- and then rose from the dead to ascend into the ether two millennia ago, never to be seen or heard from again.

These same subordinate cronies are idolaters of vile and hateful people such as, James Dobson, Tony Perkins, Chuck Colson, Ralph Reed, and the ever-odious Tim LaHaye – proselytizer and purveyor of end-times theology nonsense.

These are the same sheeple who want to impose their extreme, zealous dogma on America and remake it into a theocracy and not a democracy. (See former congressional representative Katherine Harris and current presidential candidate Mike Huckabee.)

Moreover, evangelicals believe that the Bible – an apocryphal book of duplicitous dictums – as the inerrant word of God, yet it was cobbled together at the behest of the pagan ruler Constantine, in 325 A.D. to appease the radical fanatics of Christianity to quell their occultism demands and bring about civil disorder.

Lest we forget the chief charlatan of this rapturous pack of imprudent, myopic, scornful, xenophobic, homophobic and judgmental flock of believers – Pat Robertson. This is the very same Pat Robertson who infamously blamed the events of 9/11 on gays and claims to openly have audible chats with the All-Mighty.

Finally, the "Godsquad", are indeed the same flakes who wish to place a permanent moratorium on stem cell research, preach abstinence-only over practical solutions to adolescent sexual desires and then ultimately plant a flag and a Bible in a woman's uterus signifying it as property of the church and state.

They covet the idea of teaching superstition as empirical science (See the Creationist Museum in Kentucky), swindle and bankroll billion of dollars from uninformed, gullible followers of a fatally flawed conviction – in order to sustain and build a permanent Christian-based theocracy in a country that was founded on and built around secularism and separation of church and state.

No William, whatever specious microcosm of an anecdotal example you purportedly found during your "telephone news conference" – that "we liberals" have a "lot more common ground than most of us would have guessed" is patently false.

There are 30-40 million irrational people walking around this nation willfully and ignorantly eschewing science, reason, and rationale, all the while deluded and attempting to replace wisdom and common sense with fiction, folklore of yore and monotheistic mythology.

The Moral Majority, who helped usher in the Reagan era of reactionary thinking are the same dutiful dullards who have proven – and history clearly shows – that religion has stood in the way of reason, science, peace, and progress, as well as, has been the impetus behind more wars than any other cause or influence in the last 2,000 years.

It is high time to exclude, exempt, and nullify religion; all religion and their cultish followers, from the discourse of sane dialogue on how to resolve the calamity we now face as a nation and a species.


-Frank J. Ranelli

by Frank J. Ranelli (59 articles, 141 quicklinks, 25 diaries, 324 comments) on Friday, January 25, 2008 at 7:38:31 PM
 


The author is a very "with-it" old lady who aspires to bring a bit of truth, justice, and commom sense to a nation that has lost touch with its humanity in the search for societal "perfection".
Mary PittThe author is a very "with-it" old lady who aspires to bring a bit of truth, justice, and commom sense to a nation that has lost touch with its humanity in the search for societal "perfection".

A good assessment, Bill

Not all people of faith, including those who profess to be "fundamental", are snarling warhawks.  It is only the rest, to whom I refer as "Holy-Rollers" who promote the overthrow of our government, our society, and our way of life.  If President Bush were truly motivated by Christian principles he would find no opposition from this faction of religious conservatives.  They are concerned with service to their principles, not with the Judeo-Christian priciples of war and salvation by conquest.

 May they find the strength to prevail.

by Mary Pitt (60 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 159 comments) on Saturday, January 26, 2008 at 9:30:16 AM
 


Education: BS Microbiology
Religion: Christian (Non-Denomination)
Age: 35
Status: Married 11 yrs. 3 children
Location: Northwest Arkansas

KeithEducation: BS Microbiology
Religion: Christian (Non-Denomination)
Age: 35
Status: Married 11 yrs. 3 children
Location: Northwest Arkansas

Wow...bus me to a concentration camp now Frank...

Jeez Frank, that is awfully Hitlerish of you.  You speak only of the fringe religious zealots who picket and do other short sighted acts out of ignorance.  I could easily say the same for the liberal treehuggers who called a friend of mine a baby killer when he entered LAX after taking two to the chest in Bhagdad.  There are extremists in almost every group/organization on the planet...get over it!

As for Pat Robertson and some of the other televangelists...my scorn for the majority of them far supercedes your own as they have made it  increasingly more difficult for true Bible believing Christians to seem credible at all.

Stem Cell research, abstinence, and abortion...Stem Cell research is about the ends justifying the means.  Tons of good data was collected in concentration camps but does that justify the means by which it was gathered?  As for abstinence...it works!  It is not for the schools to decide anyway, it is for the parents to educate their children and act appropriately.  As for abortion, I realize it is a personal choice but the line needs to be drawn in the sand as to when a life is a life.  Some would allow children to be aborted up to two weeks after birth which is not abortion at all but clearly murder...or maybe it is not so clear to some. 

Creation vs. Evolution...there would be no question except the evolutionary theory is failing to provide a lot of answers as to how macroevolution occured and other "natural" processes might have occured.  There is increasing evidence, based on solid science, that strongly contradicts the theory of evolution.  And might I remind everyone that it is a theory.  Besides, theories and science should constantly be challenged or they will become unquestionable fact defended by those who have no scientific knowledge at all.  This is a complete role reversal from a few hundred years ago when scientists were all but killed for challenging the beliefs of the church.

This next statement scares and excites me at the same time..."It is high time to exclude, exempt, and nullify religion; all religion and their cultish followers, from the discourse of sane dialogue on how to resolve the calamity we now face as a nation and a species."  This looks like a statement straight from "Mein Kampf".  While you intolerance scares me a bit as a Christian, I should only be so lucky as to some day suffer as my Christ did for my faith.

 Keith Rudder

by Keith (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Saturday, January 26, 2008 at 10:14:23 AM
 


I was born in Los Angeles and raised in Mexico City. I have travelled throughout Latin America, Europe and Arfica. We're all the same.
GuajolotlI was born in Los Angeles and raised in Mexico City. I have travelled throughout Latin America, Europe and Arfica. We're all the same.

IS RELIGION EVIL?

There are few issues that have  legitimately to do with religion. Some religious people are admirable- Liberation Theology is an example. The Quakers were abolitionists. No problem. They were doing the work of Jesus in the political arena, but they were not furthering a political agenda of their own, there's a difference. When it becomes an issue is when they leave the church and collate themselves into political institutions- environmental agencies, schools, the Pentagon, local and federal government, in an effort to make Christianity supreme over others, to turn the country into a theocracy. . No one should be allowed to profess a religion if they are getting paid with tax money. Churches should be taxed. If God is so powerful, let God support them. No church should be allowed to charge for its services. The early church met in people's houses, and they worshipped as they wished without interference as long as they stayed there. What has happened is that religion has come out of the closet and become a huge, billion dollar profit-making BUSINESS, and as such it affects everybody, it affects our economy, and it impoverishes our standard of living by syphoning money away from social services.

by Guajolotl (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 132 comments) on Saturday, January 26, 2008 at 10:54:40 AM
 

 

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