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August 20, 2007 at 21:10:34

Blaming All Americans for Bush's Debacle in Iraq?

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Take a look at the September/October 2007 issue of Foreign Affairs and you'll find a fascinating article by James Dobbins: "Who Lost Iraq? Lessons From the Debacle." An Assistant Secretary of State under Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, Dobbins candidly admits that Bush's invasion of Iraq qualifies as a "national catastrophe," and notes that the changes made thus far, including the so-called "surge," have not "reversed a worsening situation." But his main objective is to assure that the "current debate over the United States' failure in Iraq…yield[s] constructive results" for future administrations.

Thus, he recommends - presumably tongue-in-cheek - against "invading large hostile countries on the basis of faulty intelligence and with the support of narrow, unrepresentative coalitions." Yet, Dobbins is too subtle by half when he observes, "other nations will never be prepared to exempt the United States from internationally recognized restraints on the unprovoked use of force." Indeed, naked aggression is the worst of war crimes.

More troubling, however, is Dobbins' willingness to dismiss the evil wrought by America's neoconservatives. If their warmongering was merely a matter of "excess," then so was the similarly despicable warmongering practiced by their predecessors -- the Nazi propagandists.

Nevertheless, Dobbins is quite constructive when he recommends: (1) electing leaders willing to encourage "disciplined dissent," (2) the "better use of existing structures for policy formulation and implementation," which means the avoidance of future cabals of the Rumsfeld-Cheney type, (3) the retiring of "'preemption'…from the lexicon of declared policy" and (4) the reevaluation of nation building and democratization.

He also recommends that the "war on terror" be "reconceived and renamed." For although "the Bush administration's rhetoric since 9/11 has accentuated the warlike character of the terrorist threat…most of the tangible successes in the 'war on terror' have come as a result of police, intelligence and diplomatic activity."

But, Dobbins' constructive recommendations go astray when he concludes: "Above all, Americans should accept that the entire nation has, to one degree or another, failed in Iraq." This astonishing recommendation is based upon two seemingly indisputable facts: (1) "the United States went into Iraq with a higher level of domestic support for war than at almost anytime in its history and (2) Congress authorized the invasion by an overwhelming bipartisan majority."

Yet, to refuse to acknowledge the efforts of experts, politicians (mostly liberal) and the millions of Americans who either argued against the war or protested the invasion before it occurred is to engage in a whitewash of the evil committed by the scoundrels and dupes who wanted war.

Granted, in addition to the scoundrels calling themselves neoconservatives and the criminals occupying the White House, many feckless congressmen - Democrats and Republicans - merit blame for fostering Bush's war. Democrats merit blame, because many ducked their responsibility to challenge the warmongers. Thus, they violated a norm of American political life: "Regardless of which party holds a majority of seats in Congresses, it is almost always the opposition party that creates the most trouble for a president intent on waging war." [William G. Howell and Jon C. Pevehouse, "When Congress Stops Wars,"Foreign Affairs, Sept/Oct. 2007].

Two additional observations by Professors Howell and Pevehouse also point to the pre-invasion political irresponsibility of many congressional Democrats: (1) the "media regularly follow official debates about war in Washington, adjusting their coverage to the scope of the discussions among the nation's political elite" and (2) "the airing of more critical viewpoints led to greater public disapproval of the proposed war."

Thus, all three observations by Howell and Pevehouse support Dobbins assertion that "primary responsibility for opposing or at least critically examining the case for war falls on the opposition party." It's not only a responsibility that many Democrats ducked during the run-up to war in Iraq; it's also a responsibility they should keep in mind, when Bush/Cheney push for war against Iran.

Nevertheless, Dobbins' attempt to blame the "entire nation" still doesn't wash. Although hardly alone, I was not among those who, "to one degree or another, failed in Iraq." In fact, on 24 September 2002, I went on record - in an Op-Ed published by the Philadelphia Inquirer -- opposing Bush's just-released National Security Strategy enshrining preemptive war as national policy.

Immediately after Bush's mad invasion, I called it "murderous and illegal," and wrote that the world was now confronted with the phenomenon of "an arrogant, willful, and, arguably unconquerable hegemon capable of breaking things around the world to the enthusiastic applause of its 'famously ill-informed' citizenry." [Walter C. Uhler, "Undone by current events," Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, July/August 2003]

By the summer of 2004 I was quoting Gen. Richard Myers, Bush's chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who on May 12, 2004 told a Senate committee, "there is no way to militarily win in Iraq." I did so, because I took seriously the observation made by renowned military historian, Williamson Murray and (Ret.) Major General Robert H. Scales: "As has become apparent over the past two decades, intelligence gathered by thinking human beings, with their ability to interpret local languages, customs, and cultures, is a depressingly weak link in America's attempt to grasp the nature of its opponents and their capabilities." [The Iraq War: A Military History, p. 182]

While quoting Gen. Myers, I publicly endorsed the sobering admonition of Murray and Scales, writing that unless the technological superiority of America's military "is soon coupled with intelligent thinking, 'improved technologies will ensure only that political and military defeats will come later, and at greater cost.'" [Walter C. Uhler, "Preempting the truth," Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, September/October 2004]

The expert insights of Murray and Scales found support two days ago, when the New York Times published the collective observations of six U.S. Army sergeants and one specialist from the 82nd Airborne Division, just returning home from a 15-month deployment in Iraq. They claim "we operate in a bewildering context of determined enemies and questionable allies, one where the balance of forces on the ground remains entirely unclear." [Buddhika Jayamaha, Wesley D. Smith, et al, "The War as We See It," New York Times, August 19, 2007]

Consequently, when the criminals and liars in the Bush administration (aided by politicized Generals) try to persuade you and the Congress, in September, that the surge is working, keep in mind the words of these seven combat-tested grunts: "We are skeptical of the recent press coverage portraying the conflict as increasingly manageable and feel it has neglected the mounting civil, political and social unrest we see every day." [Ibid]

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"All" responsible

Hmmm... In an informal poll of all of my friends and most of my aquaintances, NOT ONE of them was in favor of Iraqmiregate, and this is in Texas!

-JN

by johnneale (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 15 comments) on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 at 11:26:43 AM
 


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historical context

Practically every German left had been against Hitler all along in 1946.

by TedTheJackal (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 at 11:49:47 AM
 


Brett Paatsch is an Australian born secular humanist with degrees in management and science and an interest in politics. He is a former pro-American that wishes to be pro-American again and thinks the impeachment and repudiation of President George W Bush for the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 is necessary to reestablish trust in American signatures on international treaties and confidence in the global rule of law.
Brett PaatschBrett Paatsch is an Australian born secular humanist with degrees in management and science and an interest in politics. He is a former pro-American that wishes to be pro-American again and thinks the impeachment and repudiation of President George W Bush for the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 is necessary to reestablish trust in American signatures on international treaties and confidence in the global rule of law.

Some generalisations ARE valid as generalisations

and if democracies get the governments they deserve then Americans are responsible for Iraq. They are responsible to the free-speech holding, citizen voter level.

Bush was re-elected. And Bush has not yet been impeached !

And there are Americans that probably regard themselves as honorable people who do not even know their representatives names or why their representatives have not yet moved towards impeachment.

On this list I as an Australian hear from Americans that happen to agree with me on impeachment but there is no indication that they are the majority view. Nor is there a great deal of evidence that the average American citizen is willing to shoulder their fair share of the burdens of citizenship and to take out the Presidential trash.

America is what Americans do. I do hold Americans responsible for Iraq and I find it obnoxious frankly to hear one American after another saying that its good politics for the Democrats to stay away from impeachment.

Being anti-American is a generalisation yes, but it is a VALID generalisation that contemporary Americans have EARNED from contemporary human beings that have watched Americans (on average and in the aggregate) break their word and allow their "representatives" break their word on the most solemn promises that people can make. Promises like no launching aggressive wars.

For the time being, until America impeaches Bush, individual Americans are going to have get used to foreigners like me liking them or respecting them or regarding them positively only as exceptions to the rule. DESPITE their being Americans not because of it. Prior to the re-election of Bush I was pro-American.

If America does not impeach Bush then frankly the so called terrorists are welcome to you and my sympathies will be with the children and the non-voting citizens and with the exceptional people in America who really are innocent and who really are not responsible for the state of their country and the way it misbehaves in the world but who unfortunately suffer with the majority.

When America is regressing being anti-American is the progressive human position.

by Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 1010 comments) on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 at 12:12:28 PM
 


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I agree that all Americans share some level of blame

I protested it for months before it began. I wrote articles against it, I protested on the street in a very hostile city. But I know that I share in the blame.

That doesnt mean that some people's share of the blame isn't exponentially greater than mine. A people are responsible for their government.

by Steven Leser (212 articles, 45 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1391 comments) on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 at 3:26:59 PM
 


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Individuals Choose and Act

Individuals - not countries - make choices and engage in actions. While there was from all evidence a majority (>50.1% at least) of USers in favor of invading Iraq after George Bush tied the leadership of that country to the attacks on September 11 2001, it has always been those who enforced those orders who are responsible for the death and destruction. It matters not one bit if these individuals are career military, reservists or enlistees just for the later educational benefits; they are either directly enforcing these orders or providing actual support to those who are.

If there were far fewer USers (or even non-citizens looking for a shortcut to citizenship) willing to be members of the military - by way of resignations and failure to enlist - there would be no one to carry out Bush's commands. He and his buddies could continue to loudly proclaim the need to "make the world safe for democracy" or to "bring about regime change" or just to "ensure oil for America". But if few if any men and women wanted any part of participating in a military which enforced these orders, then Bush (and even the members of Congress if an order was agreed to by its majority) would be required to do his own enforcement. I can't imagine Bush, or any US President or other elected or appointed official, actually getting his hands dirty by attempting to enforce (apply physical force to those who do not agree) any of the laws they have enacted. So without enforcers to do the work for them, these characters could only continue to blather on, creating all sorts of essentially meaningless pieces of paper and hot air. Only the enforcers make the words into deeds.

Making known one's displeasure with statements and enacted legislations by politicians to those politicians has some value - it lets them (or their office staff at least) know that there is disagreement. (I've sent plenty of letters via postal and email to the Congressional representatives in my residential area on various subjects, including the "War on Terror".) Joining with others via petitions can also be of some value - increasing the visual and emotional impact of an individual's choice to disagree. (I've signed a number of these too, including for impeachment of Bush.)

I choose not to participate in the voting for national, state and local officials because I want no part of the State. If there was at least the option of "None of the Above", I might consider it, especially if when that choice received the majority of votes, the position was eliminated. I would likely vote if there was a referendum to actually eliminate functions of the government. So since I did not vote for any of the characters currently in office I experience no sense of anger or shame at having been deceived (so easily, as were some) by the verbiage being uttered by any of them. In fact, at the time of the attack on the World Trade Center in September 2001 I and husband Paul Wakfer were not shocked by the fact that it happened, based on the long history of US government interference in other countries. (My comments at the time.) But it is the nature of politicians to never undo anything, even if all the evidence points to the error of the original action (legislation or military action). Instead more of the same or variations until loss of an election is strongly obvious from polls or removal from office actually occurs by election loss (or impeachment, trial and conviction or resignation) and the replacing opposition decides to actually do something "different".

Bottom line - those who actually commit an action are responsible for it. Those actually killing and creating damage in Iraq are responsible for those actions. Urge these mostly ignorant young people to stop; support those who seek to leave the military, negatively preference against those who choose to continue. ("Improved Effectivity Prescription for Those Against War") Those who have assumed spokesmanship and authority for all USers - even though not given to them by *all* USers - and have given commands to attack, kill and destroy (as opposed to defend against physical attackers) are reprehensible and should be shunned by all. Best yet, make as little use of government as possible, choosing the market alternatives for services that exist and even initiating those that don't. Government is not a necessity for an orderly society - and they are responsible for the vast majority of disorder and enormous amounts of damage that exists in the world.

 

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It is self serving to lay the blame on the military, but it

is not fair. When you join the military, you are as much told that by doing this you are giving up the right to decide for yourself which wars you can fight. When you join, you turn that responsibility over to the commander in chief and to the voters who vote for him.

Yes, some troops do protest anyway. But is it reasonable to expect that given the very simple truth I explained above?

Yes, individuals choose and act. Did you pay your taxes this year? Last year? The year before that? When you did that, were you aware that you were funding the war? I'll bet that you knew that. You could have become your own conscientious objector and refused to pay. You would have gone to jail, but that would have been the way to absolve yourself of any responsibility.

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Oh no,... I'm not taking the rap for this!

   While I love TedJackal's analogy about the germans (and  let's not forget the french) all claiming  resistance membership ....not all of us were so eager to swallow the 'let's bomb everyone and everything' line of logic post 9/11. True, the atmosphere  then was fairly thin as people were afraid to speak their minds lest someone should hear you talking and report you to the 'Men in Black'. And neighbors were still browbeating neighbors over remarks construed as critical of the US or pro Jeanine Garofalo thusly making you 'a terrorist lover'. But that didn't halt the flow of information which fortunately remained flowing through the internet courtesy of groups like MOVE ON and Truthout.org who featured articles that contradicted the US State Dept's propaganda machine with articles like Joseph Wilson's discrediting of the WhiteHouse's 'Iraq nuclear ambitions' claim or Hans Blix the head of the IAEA refuting Bush's 'WMD' claims.

    If everybody in every country has to accept collective guilt then you'd never believe than any country had a political opposition. But where guilt could validly be apportioned would be to those for whom complacency is but their daily bread. It is for them that the spines of our opposition leaders becomes like jelly. People could be more informed, the information is out there.... and if they did make the effort then the lamestream media wouldn't be able to get away with the shoddy reporting and shallow investigation and interpretations that it does. Smug pundits would find it difficult to maintain viewerships and the quality of information would significantly rise. And all the ridiculous political charades that occur with frightening regularity would decrease. 

    Yes,.... there is a guilt that can be shared here. The president has not yet been impeached. And a candidate who voted for the war is being given enormous press in her presidential campaigning... our system rewards mediocrity. 

    And an administration like this with popularity as low as this one has would've in any other country long since faced a vote of 'no confidence' which would've brought it down. 

     Americans abroad don't necessarily want the mantel of being representatives of our country or ambassadors of corrupt, failed foreign policies.... but every now and then you'll be standing in a café, beer in hand having someone throw in your face...."but they've not been impeached?" And you'll just stand there, shaking your head in agreement and disbelief and impotently reply...'nope, ....they're still in power'.

    
 

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There are only two ways you could have absolved yourself of

any responsibility, and believe me both occurred to me at the time. Those options were:

1. Once it became clear we were going to war, you could have left the country.

or

2. You could have refused to pay any taxes in protest and been willing to go to jail to ensure that none of your money went to financing the war.

I did not have a good option to leave the country, and with children in the equation for me, I couldnt refuse to pay any taxes and inflict those consequences on them as well.

Since you did not take either of those actions you are at least, to a small degree, responsible. Rich and others have asked me if I thought the Iraq war was a war crime and I said yes. I believe that. If you believe that as I do, then unless you did #1 or #2 I say it is not enough to absolve yourself of any responsibility.

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Tell that to those who went to jail

    or got their heads busted by the cops while protesting in the streets against the approaching war.

  Your conclusion seems to negate the idea of a literally 'dispossessed' or marginalized section of this society. And there are alot of those. Those who politically and economically have no control over what the 'state'  or corporate america does.

Are those on welfare or who live in poverty or who are victims of the excesses of corporations...like unable to pay for healthcare....are they responsible for their own victimization?

I take this personal,...by this argument I was never responsible for the creation of the Contras and the murder and mayhem they visited on the nicaraguan people; nor was I responsible for the invasion of Grenada, Panama;...nor (while just a toddler) responsible for the US invasion of the Dominican Republic overthrowing of their democracy.  

    While I might want to exempt myself from the pollution of the planet and global warming.... I have to say that that is a case where all people as consumers bear collective responsibility. And perhaps that lends some creedance to your argument for as consumers we may have some pull over the corporate sponsors of the Bush administration.

    But, if you accept inaction and lies because of the inconvenience that resistance causes then you bear responsibility.

    Btw,.... I was already living in europe before the war even started but that's all beside the point. When europeans in bars tried to hang the collective guilt on me I had to point out to them their own complicity in their own governments illdoings.... Yup, plenty o' blame to go around! 

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on a further note...

    when the war kicked off and I heard loads of people in forums talking about leaving the US. My thoughts were;

1) No matter where or why you go abroad... you'll always be an american. Culturally, if nothing else.

2) At the time I thought if anything I should be returning to the US (though for me that was an impossibility seeing as I couldn't take my kids with me) But that we as americans and as the  opposition we owe it to stay and to fight.We owe it not to let the proverbial 'them' have the whole of this country and this culture. And to turn Patrick Buchannan's words back around on him ..." to fight to take this country back, block by bloody block".

  In addendum, despite the international view of who and what americans are (besides being loud and demanding tourists)  there has never been just one America.... my america was never afluent or rightwing evangelist christian, my america was never a polluting corporation, my american was never a spying totalitarian. But America as a whole is made up many sections yet the corporate america is so incestuous and tied into an administration that cheated its way into the Whitehouse and controls as much of the flow of information..... and we just need to make our half more heard louder and more unadvoidably above 'them'. 

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I almost agree, but there is still the same sad fact

that virtually all of us could have done more than we did to protest or stop the war. I include myself on that. I went to virtually every local protest I could. I used my position in the part at that time to talk to congressmen and urge them to stop the headlong rush to the war. I wrote articles, etc. But there was a point I was unwilling to go beyond and that was basically anything that would hurt me financially or physically.

I cannot claim a lack of a responsibility for the war if I was unable to ever do anything to significantly cause discomfort to myself, nor can I say the same about anyone else.

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Ah come on ...

Call it Karma, just rewards, reap what you sow, what goes around comes around, our time is up.

We are now paying the price for being a Warrior Nation. We have always been a Warrior Nation. We don't like to think of ourselves as a Warrior Nation, but we are, just ask any Native American Indian.

So the ruthless sociopaths murdered their way to the top and over generations spawned little sociopaths and on and on it went until we find ourselves today with the most insane group of people the world has spawned since Caligula and Nero and more recently Nazi Germany.

Only this time they aren't just pulling the wings off of flies as Rome burns, or marching millions into their "Final Solution" showers as a band plays on. 

This time the insane do indeed have the ability to end all life on this planet as surely and quickly as the Great Yucatan Meteorite wiped out the dinosaurs.

And we, the Great Warrior Nation, the Nation that arms and supplies other Nations to fight either with, for, or, against each other, against us, them against someone else, just as long as someone is killing some one all the time somewhere because it's good for business are now paying the price for this folly.

And do you want to know the "good news"?

There is none.

Not unless Space Aliens landed tomorrow and gave us the knowledge to reverse the damage we have already done to this once beautiful Earth, that's even if the insane don't turn it into a cinder-block first. I have only one message - we're fucked.

What we will witness in the next few years will dwarf anything we've experienced in the last few.

Call it Karma.

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 1436 comments) on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 at 10:45:38 PM
 


Robert Chapman is greatly interested in developing political awareness among as many people as possible.
Robert ChapmanRobert Chapman is greatly interested in developing political awareness among as many people as possible.

Blaming All Americans for Bush's Debacle in Iraq

I disagree with Mr. Uhler's contention that his printed objection to the Invasion absolves him from blame in our rush to war in 03.

Clearly those of us opposing the war and that includes 189 or so out of 200 or so Democratic Representatives in Congress were insufficiently persuasive, strong-willed and politically savvy enough to impede let alone stop the war.

I think Mr. Uhler's strategy of retribution against those who supported it is indicative of mind set that failed to persuade the American people that the war was wrong.

There are moral arguments to made in favor of the invasion and many people on the right sincerely cling to them.

What has changed the public's mind on the war is the Bush Administration's palpable incompetence and the mounting cost of the Occupation, both to this country and to the Arabs.

Even people who believe in the original rationale for the war are disgusted that we have caused so much suffering and destruction in Iraq and can only continue to cause more.

The Foreign Policy article, in its emphasis on a future oriented, inclusionary approach to mid-East policy made a very positive contribution.

The only good thing about democracy is that we can air our grievances and move on toward a solution.

Rather than advocating a past oriented vindictive policy of punishment and blame, the left should move forward by advocating humane and effective policies toward the Arabs and  other lesser developed countries that can gain widespread support domestically.

We can start by asking why it is that Europe, Japan and America have developed dynamic economies based on petroleum consumption while the Arab masses languish in oriental poverty in the oil producing states.

If we get a handle on that, we might actually find an effective means to combat terrorism and do something to reduce suffering in the world.

by Robert Chapman (28 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 556 comments) on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 at 4:34:37 PM
 

 

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