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January 26, 2008 at 20:06:28

Edwards Lost, Now Where Do I Go?

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Watching the returns from my home state of South Carolina gets me to thinking about where people’s heads are at. The difference between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are only about race or gender, their positions on issues and their acceptance of corporate funding for their campaigns is just about the same. I know that it isn’t “politically correct” to bring up the race or gender card, but to me, after looking at their numbers it becomes apparent that people are voting with their emotions and not with their intellect. This development leaves me feeling more disenfranchised than ever.

I voted in the Democratic Primary because I support John Edwards. The choice to me is so clear; either vote for the people taking corporate money and deal with their influence on Washington for another four to eight years, or vote for the candidate that had identified what is basically wrong with the American political system (and I have been writing about it for years now) and pray that people understand that.

It looks to me that people, if they understand, don’t really think it’s all that important. This issue seems to have registered not at all with the majority of Democrats that vote in the primaries and caucuses. This gives me a clear signal that the Democratic Party, once again, is not the party that represents the way that I think politically. The Republicans are so far away from my views that I very rarely listen to their candidates. I can’t sit through an entire interview or a campaign speech without feeling my skin crawl. It is amazes me to hear the Republicans talk about victory over the Islamo-fascists and their voodoo economics while understanding that some economists and religious leaders actually support these people. I feel overwhelmed at times and question my own political and moral beliefs and wonder how I could be so out of step with the rest of the people in this country.

When the parties nominate their candidates, it will be in all likelihood either Obama or Clinton (Corporate shills), or McCain or Romney (corporate shills and empire seekers). In my confused political state, I will see corporations comfortable with either party’s candidate, and if the Republicans win, another four years of war in Iraq with a strong possibility that we will become engaged in Iran. The prospects for real change in America do not seem good in my opinion. I thought at one time I would be pleased to see an African-American President or a woman in the presidency, but not people that are entrenched and in bed with the military industrial complex, AIPAC and the corporate-controlled media.

Now, like many Progressive people, I must ask myself where I go from here? I know that I won’t be able to ignore politics, there just is too much at stake here. Do I sit on the sidelines and take cheap shots at all the candidates? (way too easy) As far as I’m concerned, I’m locked out of the system, there just isn’t anyone acceptable to me. Maybe I should just lower my expectations and support one of the Democrats. The problem with that is I just can’t. I can’t cozy up to the idea of another Clinton White House and Obama just has no real substance or insight.

One thing is perfectly clear to me, I realize that there won’t be any real substantive change coming anytime soon. I believe Progressive/Liberals need their own party. I could go Green and campaign for Cynthia McKinny, but what will that get me? If I do a great job and she actually picks up anything like a good percentage of votes, the only thing that will do is help the Republicans. Maybe I shouldn’t care, but if we have McCain in the White House, we just might not see another election; we’ll be too busy ducking ICBM’s from one country or another. Maybe Al Gore will come into the race. Maybe we could see an Independent Edwards run or see Ron Paul run on a third ticket. One thing I know is that I see so many Progressives on the internet writing about the same issues that I believe in, so many comments on progressive websites that echo my sentiments and I wonder why we haven’t organized into our own political party? Like many of you out there, I have nowhere to go, politically speaking. I’m hoping that someone has some ideas.

That’s the way I see it.

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Former Chairman of the Liberal Party of America, Tim is a retired Army Sergeant. He currently lives in South Carolina. A regular contributor to OpEdNews, he is the author of Kimchee Kronicles and is currently at work on a new novel.

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I have worked as a registered in a local VA hospital. It breaks my heart to see how our country has abandoned Veterans. I became politically active when Bush was elected in 2000. Everything seems to have turned south since then.
Leeann LoFasoI have worked as a registered in a local VA hospital. It breaks my heart to see how our country has abandoned Veterans. I became politically active when Bush was elected in 2000. Everything seems to have turned south since then.

John Edwards

I still believe John Edwards can pull something off. Watch his debate next week. If the Democratic Party wants to put Hillary or Obama up there as the candidates representing this party, then I will have to say the Democratic Party no longer represents my ideals. I can honestly say at this point, if Progressive Democrats do not have a clue as to how the MSM chose the corporate candidates representing this party, then you haven't a are clue. I have been a loyal Democrat my whole life, but there comes a time where you have to draw a line in the sand. John Edwards is the perfect candidate. If democrats are going to chose coporate whores like Hillary and Obama over Edwards, then I guess it is a party I no longer want to be associated with.

by Leeann LoFaso (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 8 comments) on Saturday, January 26, 2008 at 8:38:13 PM

JUST A CONCERN CITIZEN AND LOVE MY COUNTRY GREW UP IN A SMALL FISHING TOWN IN NJ,BUT THE DAY I GOT MY DRIVERS LICENSE,SPENT MOST OF MY TIME EXPANSING MY MINE. LEARNED A LOT THE HARD WAY,BUT MOSTLY STREET SMART. AT 65 HAVE PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHO THE SNAKES ARE.
RICHARD SHADEJUST A CONCERN CITIZEN AND LOVE MY COUNTRY GREW UP IN A SMALL FISHING TOWN IN NJ,BUT THE DAY I GOT MY DRIVERS LICENSE,SPENT MOST OF MY TIME EXPANSING MY MINE. LEARNED A LOT THE HARD WAY,BUT MOSTLY STREET SMART. AT 65 HAVE PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHO THE SNAKES ARE.

JOHN EDWARDS THE ELITE THAT WILL SWEEP YOU OF YOUR FEET

JOHN EDWARDS IS GLOBAL PLAYER,

THE CFR IS THE AMERICAN BRANCH OF SOCIETY WHICH ORIGINATED IN ENGLAND AND BELIEVES NATIONAL BOUNDARIES SHOULD BE OBLITERATED AND ONE- WORLD RULE ESTABISHED.

THE POWER AND INFLUENCE OF THE CFR IS MUCH LIKE A SHADOW GOVERNMENT. SEVERL OF THE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES INCLUDING THE LIKES OF MITT ROMMENY, JOHN MCCAIN, FRED THOMPSON, CRIS DODD, BILL RICHARDSON, JOHN EDWARDS, AND HILLARY CLINTON ARE EITHER MEMBERS OR HAVE CLOSE AFFILIATIONS WITH THE CFR. WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT SO MANY PEOPLE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT WOULD BE LINKED TO THIS GROUP OF ELITES. AND THIS GROUP ARE BEHIND THE FORMATION OF THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION, SO A VOTE FOR JOHN EDWARDS IS A VOTE FOR THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION, BECAUSE IF ELECTED HE WOULD NOT TRY TO STOP THESE GLOBALIST FROM COMPLEATTING THEIR AGENDA.

GOOGLE( JOHN EDWARDS GLOBAL ELITE ) ALSO( WWW.GLOBAL-ELITE) .ORG JOHN EDWARDS THE BILDERBERG CANDIDATE

by RICHARD SHADE (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 460 comments) on Monday, January 28, 2008 at 6:43:50 AM

A long time Republican fed up with the neo-conservatives.
m lA long time Republican fed up with the neo-conservatives.

ugh!

If people in this country really wanted change we'd see an Edwards vs Paul November but I'm afraid it's not going to happen. We're going to end up with the same BS for another 4 years. We need a 3rd party that represents the PEOPLE instead of the banks, corporations, and military.

by m l (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Saturday, January 26, 2008 at 9:05:41 PM

Richard Mynick is a US citizen who, despite the best efforts of the corporate media, noticed something disturbing about how the 2000 election was decided, & felt it augured poorly for democracy.
Richard MynickRichard Mynick is a US citizen who, despite the best efforts of the corporate media, noticed something disturbing about how the 2000 election was decided, & felt it augured poorly for democracy.

The fact that someone like you feels "locked out" of the

system is actually very meaningful. You're really not confused at all, even though you say you are. You're seeing things very clearly.

Your analysis of the 2 leading D's as "corporate shills", & the 2 R's as "corporate shills and empire seekers" is exactly right. The fact that you write "Maybe I should just lower my expectations and support one of the Democrats. The problem with that is I just can’t" -- this is entirely admirable.

If someone like you feels you have "nowhere to go, politically," this says something important about the 2-party system. It says that if you are able to see that only harm can come from these different flavors of corporate shills, and you have conscience enough not to want that, then the system leaves you nothing.

More and more people are recognizing that. Serious discontent is growing, and awareness of the system's rottenness is growing. The system doesn't serve the interests of most of the population. Something's got to give, under those circumstances. Either the population will choose to live as consumer-slaves, or they will rise up and demand greater control over their own lives.

You say you "wonder why we haven’t organized into our own political party." I know what you mean, but a great deal of effort has gone into systematically depriving Americans of political consciousness. That's what the McCarthy era was really about -- a purge of all Left dissidents. It left a culture unable to even conceive of anything besides "liberal" and "conservative." In other words, the purge eliminated all possible challenges to the system, & only permitted a relatively narrow range of conformist orientations to survive.

This left Americans at a disadvantage, and very ill-prepared, when political conditions began to shift, a few decades later. Many of us feel like this is no longer the same country we grew up in -- but we're so accustomed to the usual structures & the usual ways of thinking, that we don't really know how to defend ourselves. We always believed our government was fairly decent, & that it would never turn on us. Now we see we were deceived, but we're at a loss as to how to respond to it.

All the discussions about "which candidate is best" (& especially, the disgusting notion of "lesser evilism") illustrate this pathetic dependence on the usual structures that are imposed on us, & that operate against our own real interests. Like a kid on a bike who's just been forced to take off his training wheels for the first time, we haven't yet figured out how to build a movement that represents our own interests. Many people find it too scary to even contemplate -- they want to continue to ride with their training wheels on. That's what all this BS about "which Democrat should we support" amounts to.

by Richard Mynick (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 1170 comments) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 at 12:17:21 AM

I am a 40 year old male, born in America, (Washington state), worried about the path we are on.
ZaneI am a 40 year old male, born in America, (Washington state), worried about the path we are on.

Edwards for V.P. ?

Any chance Edwards will end up on the ticket as V.P.?

by Zane (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 at 1:56:57 AM

Concerned U.S. Citizen
VikiConcerned U.S. Citizen

Substance or Insight

Barack Obama is the only candidate with substance or insight. The fact that he voted AGAINST the Iraq dibacle is proof of his substance and insight. The problem is most people are blinded by all the noise and cannot see the true picture. None of the Republican candidates, excluding Ron Paul, are worthy of any consideration. Any one of them would be a continuation of the current administration, who has hijacked our government for their benefit, with no care as to the repercussions of their actions. Ron Paul, who does have his facts straight, doesn't have the charisma of a "politician" and has been made, by his own party candidates, to appear as "out of touch" with reality. As for Hillary Clinton, her voting record is not consistent with the policies she campaigns on. She voted for the war in Iraq, a big blunder.....this nation cannot afford another "OOPS!" John Edwards, his conviction is admirable, but he is too focused on practicing law in the white house, i.e. taking on the "big insurance companies." At no other time in our nation's history has there been a more critical moment, a moment where not just any president will suffice. We need, now more than ever, a President with insight, substance, vision, understanding, diplomacy, humility, intelligence, true leadership skills (not a "decider"). Barack Obama is the only candidate, Republican or Democratic, that meets all the criteria. The last eight years have been a nightmare for this nation. Say what you wish about Bill Clinton, he was a true leader who looked out for the best interests of this great nation and its people. I can only imaging the disheartened feelings he has been struggling with these past eight years.

by Viki (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 49 comments) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 at 8:15:11 AM

John M.Wages, Jr. is a candidate for Congress from Mississippi's 1st Congressional District. A native Mississippian, he and his wife Gwen have lived in Maryland, California, and Oregon, before returning home in 2001 to work for positive change in their home state. In 2004, John became the first candidate elected on the Green Party ballot line in Mississippi, when he was elected to the Lee County Election Commission. While on the Commission, he worked for voter-verifiable paper ballots and post-e...

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John WagesJohn M.Wages, Jr. is a candidate for Congress from Mississippi's 1st Congressional District. A native Mississippian, he and his wife Gwen have lived in Maryland, California, and Oregon, before returning home in 2001 to work for positive change in their home state. In 2004, John became the first candidate elected on the Green Party ballot line in Mississippi, when he was elected to the Lee County Election Commission. While on the Commission, he worked for voter-verifiable paper ballots and post-e...

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Come Home to the Green Party

Articles like this one make a great point. I feel somewhat like this now that Dennis Kucinich is no longer in the race. Fortunately, we do have a choice. The Green Party has been working at the grassroots level since the 1980s to build a real alternative. We've elected candidates at local and state level across the country. As an indication of our burgeoning support, Arkansas will hold a Green Presidential Primary Election for the first time in February of this year.

Take a look at the Greens' website (www.gpus.org). If you don't like everything you see, chances are you're not alone. But, do you like everything about the Democrats? Do you agree with Senator Edwards on everything? With the Greens, you have the opportunity to get involved and influence the outcome, secure in the knowledge that we will at least have a real and substantive discussion and debate.

To me, the essence of Green politics is (1) we see that all the issues are connected, and (2) that solving our problems requires ecological design where one solution addresses more than one problem. Politicians debate the issues, but Greens solve problems.

by John Wages (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 at 10:44:47 AM

SW Texas ultra-liberal
john riggsSW Texas ultra-liberal

"Where do I go from here ?"

Thats so easy to answer Sarge, we will go to the FEMA camps of course. Rex 84 laid out the plan WAY before 911 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3010 And before that there was Operation Garden Plot (buy the farm) those intelligence dudes have such a twisted sense of humor. http://www.uhuh.com/control/garden.htm Now a Texas Emergency Management director has begun the posturing to get the sheep accustomed to the corral, http://www.tylerpaper.com/article/20071215/NEWS03/71215007/0/news03 "We have procedures but we arent going to advertise what they are" Notice the term "undesirables" that was all the rage back in the late 30s in an unmentionable regime.

Yes dear freinds our loving caring government has a place for us all prepared. We may not like the furnishings or the Vita-pro TM. food but we will be safe and secure from all those boogey-men, and there will be work for us ! And just think we will be surrounded by like minded individuals of the same political leaning. Those who have not travelled by train will get a free train ride ! There will be so much time to think back on what we could have become if we had only gotten involved earlier, say about 1913.

by john riggs (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 428 comments) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 at 11:27:19 AM

earth angel
Shannon Rudolphearth angel

Sorry, Pick a Dem, No Matter What

Aloha!

Beside the fact our election system is broke, broke, broke, and voting may be a joke... Yeah, they all suck in one way or the other and I'm not happy about it.

The fact remains, the next president is going to get to pick alot of Supreme Court Justices. You gonna let McCain pick them???

by Shannon Rudolph (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 14 comments) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 at 1:22:25 PM

I am currently a public employee in Clark County, Nevada (Las Vegas) and a retired Signals Intelligence Analyst for the USAF. I am a union activist and officer in SEIU Local 1107, Las Vegas. I am actively involved in the anti war/occupation movement in Las Vegas and have been an organizer for Las Vegas Out of Iraq Coalition, Nevada Workers Against the War, and Las Vegas Peace Now. I am also a member of Veterans for Peace.I am a steward and trustee in my union's local SEIU Local 1107 an...

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Dave PeterI am currently a public employee in Clark County, Nevada (Las Vegas) and a retired Signals Intelligence Analyst for the USAF. I am a union activist and officer in SEIU Local 1107, Las Vegas. I am actively involved in the anti war/occupation movement in Las Vegas and have been an organizer for Las Vegas Out of Iraq Coalition, Nevada Workers Against the War, and Las Vegas Peace Now. I am also a member of Veterans for Peace.I am a steward and trustee in my union's local SEIU Local 1107 an...

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I Can't Vote for Them Either

I've been supporting Kucinich in this election year - he stands for what I beleive in - an immediate end to the war, no permanent bases, no continuing "anti-terrorism" combat operations; a single payer not for profit health care system; ending U.S. participation in the WTO and "free trade agreements"; abolishment of the Homeland Security Act; protecting workers rights to organize unions; and creating a cabinet level Dept of Peace. Neither Obama or Clinton will make any attempt to any of these things - they both voted to fund the war numerous times, both support insurance company involvement in health care, both support "free trade agreements". The difference between them and the Republicans is not that great. I can't support someone with libertarian views like Ron Paul as he would remove what few federal protections there are for workers to organize.

The Greens stand for what I believe and most likely come November I will either write in Kucinich or vote for Cynthia McKinney of the Green Party.

by Dave Peter (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 23 comments) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 at 1:52:48 PM

Tim was banned from the site for posting private email from the publisher to him on his blog, and then attacking the publisher and the site in emails and articles. OEN has no responsibility to publish articles from people who attack the site.

Tim's accusations that he was banned for his political positions are untrue. Check his articles. He repetitively wrote about and had published exactly the things he claimed he was banned for doing.

Former Chairman of the Liberal ...

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Timothy V. GattoTim was banned from the site for posting private email from the publisher to him on his blog, and then attacking the publisher and the site in emails and articles. OEN has no responsibility to publish articles from people who attack the site.

Tim's accusations that he was banned for his political positions are untrue. Check his articles. He repetitively wrote about and had published exactly the things he claimed he was banned for doing.

Former Chairman of the Liberal ...

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As Down As I Sounded...

I till haven't given up on Edwards.

by Timothy V. Gatto (348 articles, 177 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 574 comments) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 at 2:08:42 PM

Semi-retired Psychotherapist,
Former Navy Combat Pilot & Vietnam Vet,
Co-founder of Bay Area Veterans For Peace, 1970;
Proud Husband, Father, & Grandfather
ManSemi-retired Psychotherapist,
Former Navy Combat Pilot & Vietnam Vet,
Co-founder of Bay Area Veterans For Peace, 1970;
Proud Husband, Father, & Grandfather

It's Too Early to Throw in the Towel!

Edwards is down but not out. And Carolina may signal the end for Hillary! Right now we should be doing all we can for Edwards until at least Super Tuesday.

Edwards is a fighter, for us, not the wealthy, even if he's not as well spiritually connected in his heart as Kucinich, he is well connected in his heart to the common good.

Maybe Obama & Edwards together can knock Hillary out of contention then. Hillary won't go on "no matter what", Edwards might.

Or they may all go on through all the primaries and into a "brokered convention" where Edwards would at least hold the balance of power - if not become the "compromise candidate" by holding out long enough.

Also, Clinton and Obama have more to lose from extended scrutiny than Edwards (see Op-Ed Columnist: The Billary Road to Republican Victory from the NYTimes). Edwards is only vulnerable on his claim that he never takes money from lobbyists while he does take it from their surrogates.

And even though Obama did very well in South Carolina, he seemed pretty well "rattled" at times by the Clinton attack machine. And the Republican attack machine in the fall will be much, much worse.

We need to add to that concern the legitimate reason for concern Pelosi's and the Democratic congress's cowardice in confronting Bush's power grabs may give independents about any of the remaining Democrats "resolution/courage" in dealing with crises that will probably be much more difficult than the past eight years (maybe the last 50 years).

As Democrats, we need to remember that politics is a substitute for war, stop "playing for lunch" like we have in the recent past, and start "playing for keeps" like the Republican wealthy have been doing for centuries.

Extended scrutiny through the primaries may wake people up from their MSM encouraged entrancement with the novelty of a female or black president in time to remember that much more may be at stake in the next eight years (possible radical climate change, financial disorder, and oil/water/food wars) than breaking glass ceilings.

We should have learned from Nader in 2000 that we can't afford to split our strength at the Presidential level with any kind of Independent or Third Party flirtation. That has to be built from the bottom up - or through a constitutional convention transition to something like Britain's parliamentary system.

All is not lost! Yet! Hang in there!

by Man (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 at 3:12:03 PM

I'm not a Democrat

Even though I support Edwards, I have no respect for the Democratic Party. You wrote "As a democrat". Sorry to break you bubble. They are no better than the Republicans, as a matter of fact, they are worse at times because they don't show their true colors. When you vot for a Republican, as bad as they are, at lest you know what you are getting. We need a union of Progressives like no time else in our history.

by Timothy V. Gatto (348 articles, 177 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 574 comments) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 at 6:03:08 PM

I'm a 29 year old male.
TyI'm a 29 year old male.

Barack Obama

Obama did not vote against the war. He just gave a speech against invading Iraq before he became a Senator. After becoming a Senator he voted to fund the occupation. John Edwards is no better. Edwards voted to authorize the war and to fund the occupation. Same goes for Clinton. All 3 candidates also support the USA Patriot Act. There are no major differences between Clinton, Obama, and Edwards. Only their rhetoric differs.

by Ty (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 821 comments) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 at 4:58:42 PM

The Other Difference...

Clinton and Obama, for all their rhetoric to the contrary, are both firmly in the pockets of the corporate entities that run this country. (See corporate Shill)

by Timothy V. Gatto (348 articles, 177 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 574 comments) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 at 5:46:01 PM

I am a 22 year old graduate of the University of Chicago, majoring in Philosophy with a minor in Ancient Greek. I have been happily married for 3 and a half years, no kids. I live in Springfield, Oregon where I am currently unemployed. I grew up the son of an evangelical minister but have completely rejected the institution of the church and the existence of God. I consider myself now to be an Atheist with a "spiritual" side. My wife says I'm a pantheist because I love nature so much. I wa...

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Caleb FrizI am a 22 year old graduate of the University of Chicago, majoring in Philosophy with a minor in Ancient Greek. I have been happily married for 3 and a half years, no kids. I live in Springfield, Oregon where I am currently unemployed. I grew up the son of an evangelical minister but have completely rejected the institution of the church and the existence of God. I consider myself now to be an Atheist with a "spiritual" side. My wife says I'm a pantheist because I love nature so much. I wa...

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Hope does not come in the form of Elections

"One thing I know is that I see so many Progressives on the internet writing about the same issues that I believe in, so many comments on progressive websites that echo my sentiments and I wonder why we haven’t organized into our own political party?"

We have. It's called the Green Party. Read their platform. See if you can find anything in it that you don't agree with. If you're like me, you'll have to look pretty damn close.

Another thought: Elections are designed to keep people quiet, making us believe that we've actually chosen our leader, and that our leaders actions are actually our responsibility. This is an obvious deception, but like a catchy advertisement it's a lie that we still buy into even after we see through it. If you want to play a meaningful political role, there are a lot of things you can do besides vote for a presidential candidate. There are lots of local and state elections, and more importantly there are plenty of activist actions to be taken lobbying corporations and elected officials, as well as spreading awareness and changing minds.

We can't stop evil, but we can do good.

by Caleb Friz (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 28 comments) on Monday, January 28, 2008 at 8:01:17 PM