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April 12, 2007 at 03:45:20

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On HATE Speech And Freedom Of Speech

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Take Action Against The Imus HATE Speech

ACTION PAGE:
http://www.millionphonemarch.com/fire_imus.php



This form will submit your comments through the CBS Radio advertising department, the ONLY department there with an internet input function, but perhaps the best target anyway, with the message "Fire Imus permanently." Let them know contacting all their advertisers is next.

For the truly outraged you might want to also personally call

Dana McClintock
Senior Vice President, CBS Communications Group
(212) 975-1077

There have been a rash of incidents lately getting national attention, involving people like Ann Coulter, Michael Richards, and now Don Imus. And what makes them especially notable is 1) the fact that people are finally starting to call out those who traffic in hate speech, 2) the amount of discussion the most recent incident has triggered, and 3) the persistence of talk as to what should be done about it.

By hate speech we take it to mean derogatory language based on race, sex or sexual preference, religion, nationality or age, all the things that would be a violation of LAW if they were the basis for job or housing discrimination. It is not a requirement of this definition that the speech be directed at a person OF that particular race, sex or sexual preference, religion, nationality or age. Indeed, in Coulter's case it was done completely gratuitously, but no less hatefully.

The defenses we have heard about these incidents have primarily been that they were jokes, as if there were some safe harbor for hate speech in humor. And some have further argued that some people in a particular group use words of hate in reference to their own, so supposedly that makes it OK for usage of those words outside that group in the same or worse ways.

It is self evident that we cannot ban hatred itself. There will always be people who in their minds will tar the totality of a particular group in some hateful way. And in some borderline cases with some words there might be some question of intent or usage. But the question now squarely before the public is how do we respond to the use of such language in our media discourse when it is patently offensive, and how is that to be reconciled with free speech?

The answer to that is almost as self evident. We who object to hate speech have our OWN free speech to call for the dismissal those who abuse their free speech to spew words of hate, and in particular those who have been given the privilege of media prominence, only to use that opportunity to broadcast words of hate far and wide.

In the last 24 hours sponsors of Don Imus have been dropping like flies, MSNBC has canceled his simulcast, he has been otherwise suspended for two weeks, and we say this should just be the beginning. It would be one thing if this were an isolated instance, but apparently Imus has a history of this type derogatory behavior and supporting others on his show who embrace it. Perhaps it is time that someone be made an example of, and perhaps Imus deserves it as much as anyone.

If enough of us were to pressure CBS Radio to pull the show entirely and permanently, that would send a message to all the other offenders that they are on the thinnest of possible ice from this moment forward. Let them find whatever rock they want to crawl under as their new media home, but if they expect mainstream advertisers to support them or major media outlets to carry them, let them expect constant public pressure to have them fired. And if someone actually thinks it's appropriate or funny to denigrate their own social category, let them know they run the same risk.

ACTION PAGE:
http://www.millionphonemarch.com/fire_imus.php


Is this too severe of a reaction? To answer that question one need only look at what the NRA did to Jim Zumbo, a life long hunter, outdoors man and gun advocate, for suggesting that assault rifles might not be appropriate hunting weapons. He could not have apologized more desperately or profusely, and they still RUINED him relentlessly, and for no reason other than a spiteful political agenda. How much more should we demand accountability for the GOOD reason of cleansing our media of indefensible hate speech.

We have no problem with any manner of political speech, based on the issues and positions that people take on them. But we have had entirely too much of people being attacked for political purposes by means of utterly irrelevant hate speech. This INCLUDES as its ultimately most monstrous manifestation the dehumanization of people in entire foreign countries as a prelude to military assaults, as a way to arouse enough hatred to commit such crimes against humanity. Do we really have to give you historical examples? Perhaps attacking hate speech is one of the most powerful tactics we can employ to keep hate speech from becoming hate action.

If we were simply to forgive and forget, as some have suggested, the Coulters, and Savages, and Becks and Limbaughs of the world will just continue to believe they are impervious. Let them instead know that they are marked and on borrowed time if they think they will be tolerated anymore by an aroused public who will no longer hold their own tongues when confronted with hate language.

 

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Professor Emeritus Peter BagnoloProfessor Bagnolo is a Renaissance man: Cultural Anthropologist, Architectural designer, painter, writer, novelist, theologian. As a child prodigy, abed with polio for almost two years, with an off the charts IQ, reading at the graduate level by 5th grade, offered an opportunity to skip three grades at age 8.Later He was a recipient of an Art Institute scholarship at age 11, a Ford Foundation Fellowship in Anthropology and in Painting and a merit scholarship in art, and was appointed a Graduate ...

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Nope, sorry...

Freedom of speech, is paramount and always trumps what is said.

Cut it off anywhere and you destroy further the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They are not a one way street. Fascism sucks whether coming from Right or left. I did not hear yet what he said, but I have heard what you are saying and I disagree, but thanks for the phone number.

Nope don't agree to make hate calls to return stupidity and mistakes or bad jokes with more stupidity and Vengeful, Vendettas, of vehement, Vituperative, venomous, vellicated, veneered, ventilation, of verbose versions of vicious, victimizing, vexing, vile, villainous, vindictiveness, how then are you any different than Joe McCarthy, my sanctimonious friend. This is not Rush Limbaugh; he is a quipper, who made a mistake,
"Judge and likewise shall ye be judged, ye hypocrites..."

by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo (144 articles, 1 quicklinks, 95 diaries, 1311 comments) on Thursday, April 12, 2007 at 8:45:01 AM
 


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thepeninternet activist with the mission of generating as many policy messages to Congress as possible

Limbaugh next?

Good suggestion.  If Rush wants to bring it on, let him better know where the line of hate speech is.

by thepen (109 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 11 comments) on Thursday, April 12, 2007 at 5:04:41 PM
 



Rasoul Acheh

"Hate Speech/Laws": a favorite trick of Freedom's Enemies

The entire idea of "hate speech" is one of the many Orwellian devices now being used to deceive the public into accepting further destruction of vital freedoms! Hate speech is based upon the repugnant premise that adults are really children, when it comes to knowing what's best for society. Because a talk show host or an individual, engages in talk that may be offensive, it should in no way be raised to the level of a capital offense! What Imus, other talk hosts, and individuals, do in this respect, essentially amounts to stupidity and bad manners.

Prejudices and hatred are everpresent among us. They never become a real problem however, until thought police, and all knowing experts, start agitating against what people think, or say! We really have a problem when these same enemies of freedom, start pushing for "hate laws"! People should be able to think whatever they want, if someone slips up and says something that pisses someone off, the anger of offended adults or groups consciously directed their way, is often quite sufficient to correct offending behavior. We are not children, nor should we allow self rightious fanatics, thought police, and experts, to impose their anti freedom agenda upon us. Devious devices such as the concept of "hate speech" or even worse: "hate laws", are always far more detrimental than anything people may think or say!

by Rasoul Acheh (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 122 comments) on Thursday, April 12, 2007 at 9:41:49 AM
 


A writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Mark SashineA writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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free speech depends

on where and how. I  consider a provocation like  anti- religious cartoons not a case of free speech, especially if the deadly consequences are easy to predict.  When I was a child and visited Churches I was told by my parents to take off my hat alhough we did not believe in God. It was a simple decency. Free  speech is a responsibilty as all freedoms are. If someone abuses it, that someone  has to be stripped of that  ability for a while at least. And BTW,  I never heard of the money being paid for free speech. Imus was on the retainer, so it was no free speech. Now he can do whatever he wants  for free and hopefully, someone kicks  his ugly butt  literally.

by Mark Sashine (54 articles, 19 quicklinks, 252 diaries, 3605 comments) on Thursday, April 12, 2007 at 10:17:43 AM
 


Brian Mathes is an Art Teacher at a public middle school in ohio and a former military officer. He holds a Master's degree and is a graduate of the US Army Command & General Staff Officer's College.
Brian MathesBrian Mathes is an Art Teacher at a public middle school in ohio and a former military officer. He holds a Master's degree and is a graduate of the US Army Command & General Staff Officer's College.

Real Free Speech.........may offend people

The last time I checked.....nobody put a gun to peoples heads to make them listen to these idiots on the radio.

People.....this is America.....I don't like what a lot of individuals say but I would throw myself on a grenade to protect their right to voice an opinion.

If some socially, culturally retarded, person offends you with their speaking then stop listening.  Furthermore, inform others about this situation.  The truth about the media is they do what the advertisers tell them to do.  Offend the advertisers bottom line and you will lose your employment.

There will always be people who spew many of the "V" words, which professor Pete lists in his comment above......These people need to be marginalized and will eventually disappear.

So called Christians should be offended by the verbal abuse of their brothers and sisters of all colors and ilks.....but the instructions of Jesus clearly teach that we should confront those who offend us with love....not more of the nasty name-calling which we allegedly loathe.

Don Imus's comments (joke or not) are merely words.....the same as some of the demeaning lyrics of many rap songs.  If you are offended by words.... I got some solid advice for you........Turn off the radio !

Thank you for your attention...Mr. Brian Mathes

by Brian Mathes (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 41 comments) on Thursday, April 12, 2007 at 10:19:56 AM
 


Mail carrier who drives the rest of my colleagues nuts with my politics.
ScottMail carrier who drives the rest of my colleagues nuts with my politics.

Left a few voices out

"The Coulters, Savages, Becks and the Limbaughs will continue to believe they are impervious..." As will Mike Malloy, Randi Rhodes, Ted Rall, the posters at Democratic Underground and Huffington Post, etc. By all means, speaks out against hate-filled spewings. Just try to be consistent.

by Scott (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 586 comments) on Thursday, April 12, 2007 at 9:36:20 PM
 

 

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