U may be right

I like Nader because he is the only one today saying D.C. is sold out tot he Corporations.  Which, People are wakin gup too.  Where was anyone after Perot and Brown said the same thing in 1992?

You may just be right and thank you. 

by Michael Dewey (1 articles, 1 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 125 comments) on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 6:57:40 AM
 

Nader

Thanks for your feedback.  I don't think Nader is what he used to be.

Best,

Susan

by Susan Allen (18 articles, 3 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 23 comments) on Tuesday, April 1, 2008 at 5:02:30 AM
 

Interesting lengths you'll go to...

To paint Ralph Nader as a Republican mole.

If you actually look into the archives at CounterPunch, Common Dreams and other Progressive sites, you'll see that Nader has been talking about civil rights and liberties, financial fraud, environmental degradation, the war in Iraq, auto safety, and on and on for the past 8 years.  He has also started an organization called Democracy Rising, which promotes ballot access for third parties, verifiable voting methods, campaign finance reform and civic engagement.

He has written several books over the past few years on civic engagement and the effects of the two party duopoly on the democratic system.  His "17 Traditions" is an ode to the family and civic values of his youth, growing up in an immigrant family in Conneticut

Essentially, instead of focusing on consumption of goods and services, as he did for decades, he now focuses onthe consumption of democrary and its effect on all other aspects of corruption in government.

People who take the time to look through Nader's financial statements referenced in this piece will find that the Magellen funds are mutual funds that own small portions of many many different companies.  To nitpick on this would be the same as complaining about who your 401K invests in.  The Salon article referenced is 8 years old and was meant to dissuade voters at that time.

I dare anyone to find a cleaner record among the financial statements of the current crop of candidates.  Any takers?

Please, get a grip.  Nader is who Nader is.  He is unabashed and more transparent that any other candidate you will encounter this year.  Just because he is exposing the dirty underbelly of corporate electoral politics in this country (and in which all the current major party candidates are heavily invested), doesn't mean he's some sort of closet Republican.  Precisely the opposite.  His intention (and if you read or listened to his comments and grasped their meaning, you would understand this) is to try to drive the Democratic party back to its grassroots as the party of justice, equity, civil rights and liberties, a designation sorely lacking these past 20 years.

A philosophy professor once asked me if I'd rather have a corrupt democracy, or a noble monarchy.  Obviously, the ideal would be a noble democracy!  But that is not the reality of American electoral politics in 2008. 

The Democratic Party mantra of winning at any cost will only drive them deeper into the corporate fold and further weaken our already fragile democracy.

Eric Oines, Minneapolis, MN

by Eric Oines (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 12:45:20 PM
 

Ralph Nader - False Opposition

Eric,

 I wish you were right.    If you were, Nader'd be our man for '08, and those parasites on the Federal Reserve Board would be in bad need of Imodium for their galloping diarrhea. Can you imagine the public stampede to the Federal Bank's door when the people finally realize how they've been swindled?  The fact is, Nader doesn's seem to be "Nader," anymore, and that leaves us high and dry for a real candidate.  Hillary Clinton and Obama seem cut out of the same Globalist cut of cloth.   I'm from Boston.  Clinton use to go to Wellesley.  She was the President of the Young Republicans.   Check it out:      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/

Regarding your statement the article didn't have enough evidence, I'm wondering if you realize the full implications of Nader's receiving funding from from organizations like the Ford Foundation.  Those familiar with the concept of, 'regulated resistance,' which denotes control by the adversary, would realize that if Nader's taking money from sources like these, he in the tank with them.    

If you're not familiar with this concept, check out: 
http://www.newtopiamagazine.net/articles/40 The Gatekeepers of The So-Called Left?

Basically, regulated resistance refers to combined forces of the CIA and the Military Establishment's using U.S. tax dollars to create funding non-profits, i.e., Ford Foundation, to fund and slowly gain control of dissident organizations. 

Also, I did have more evidence in the article initially, but it was getting too long, so I cut it back.  I listed the links though and had hoped that people would check them out if they were interested in learning more.   To make things easy, I pasted additional evidence below.  I can post more if people are interested.     

Susan

 From: IAHF.COM http://www.citizen.org/trade/
Date: 15 Jul 2004 14:33:11 -0000

IAHF List: Politics is the manipulation of perceptions, and in the world of politics, things are seldom as they first appear to be on the surface. Please read the article below my comments by William Jasper about Ralph Nader.

His observation that Nader is taking money from the Ford, Carnegie, Rockefeller and other Globalist Foundations is shocking, revealing, and very consistent with my own experience of trying to get assistance from this man for our health freedom battle, only to be rebuffed. At the time, this made no sense to me, but this article helps me understand what I ran into.

Several years ago, I became interested in the "Global Trade Watch" division of Ralph Nader's well known organization called "Public Citizen" (See

On the SURFACE, Nader, and his minion Lori Wallach, JD, APPEAR to be on the side of the PEOPLE in this battle against globalization. The SAD REALITY however is that all that is is an ILLUSION.

I made a trip to Washington DC a few years ago when I was trying to get congressional oversight on the Codex vitamin issue, and I had a meeting at the office of Public Citizen with their Global Trade Watch Division.

I told them that if they helped me with this Codex vitamin issue, they could get the attention of American vitamin consumers from all sides of the political spectrum to fight against the WTO and against the planned destruction of American vitamin laws.

They would not help. The REASON they gave was that they could not take a position that contradicted a position of Sidney Wolfe, MD who handles medical matters for Nader and who has for decades. Wolfe is a diehard opponent of the dietary supplement industry and he totally opposes the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994.

At the time I just thought that Wolfe was my main problem inside Public Citizen, but the article below shows us all a much BIGGER picture..... Public Citizen is a PHONY ORGANIZATION. It is CONTROLLED OPPOSITION. It is FUNDED by the Ford, Carnegie, Rockefeller and other globalist Foundations it PRETENDS to be AGAINST!!

I demonstrated against the WTO in Seattle in '99, but I see now that I GENUINELY oppose the WTO, while Nader, who had such a high profile in the same demonstration in Seattle in '99 is only going through the MOTIONS. All of us, world wide, need to work together to expose FRAUDS such as this. Interestingly enough, Jim Turner, Chairman of the Board of "Citizens for Health" in the USA used to WORK for Nader.

Perhaps this helps explain why so called "Citizens for Health" has NOTHING on its website about either the Codex issue or about the EU Food Supplement Directive despite massive urging from me that they address these issues and urge public support for ANH's lawsuit to overturn the EU Food Supplement Directive.... Birds of a feather fly together.....

by Susan Allen (18 articles, 3 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 23 comments) on Wednesday, April 2, 2008 at 1:34:08 AM
 

"Globalist globalist globalist globalist"

With all of the irrational hatred that has been heaped on Ralph Nader over the past four decades (and in particular the past seven or eight years), you're going to have to do better than just mindlessly repeating the word "globalist" if you want to break any new ground. He has been one of the most vocal activists on the planet in opposing groups like the WTO for years, so in addition to being mindless regurgitation of kooky New World Order conspiracy theories, your venom is just completely misplaced. In terms of challenging the global dominance of transnational corporations, Obama is absolutely status quo. Getting him in office will change nothing on that front. And all the deflective attacks you can spit out against Nader won't change that.

by denny03 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 11:55:33 PM
 

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Oh, and all those things you say Nader hasn't spoken out against--the PATRIOT Act, the pharmaceutical industry, the surveillance fiasco--he has been, and loudly, for years. If you haven't been hearing it, then it sounds like you've been paying too much attention to the Obama lovefest that's been going on on the corporate cable outlets.

by denny03 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 11:59:31 PM
 

Writing fiction

The OP is a great one for creative fiction writing-minimal reliance on fact and maximum emotional drivel. Not worth reading.

by Jack Harrington (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 211 comments) on Tuesday, April 1, 2008 at 10:13:06 PM