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March 22, 2008 at 19:41:06

Protests Don't Work

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At 73, I have lived through the political protests, and New Media demands for policy change, from  the '1960’s to the current writing.  Personal observation suggest strategies employed from street demonstrations, talk-ins, blogging, and calls for action on sites such as OEN appear to have little  or no correlation with U.S. policy implementation as implemented in the real world.

Contemporary goals are directed at a complete withdrawal of U.S. Military forces from Iraq, and calls for the impeachment of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Neither has occurred.

Assuming the election of one of the current Democratic candidates to the presidency, most would agree that troop withdrawal will occur over a long period of time, be far from complete, with the actual number of personnel removed resulting from a complex of factors, least of which will be the demands of political activists.

While the call for impeachment has come from a variety of sources, and a majority of Americans would be delighted to see these events take place, removal from Office of both the President and Vice President from office, in the time remaining to the inauguration of a new Administration and Congress, appears, to this writer, to be both a logistical and political impossibility

I find particularly curious the reactions I receive as I have commented on this discrepancy between those who participate in or advocate these activities, and the observed actual, achieved results.

● Some respond with ad hominem responses, suggesting that my views are “preposterous,” or “ignorant,” or somehow associated with neo-conservatism. (This does seem at odds to those with views expressed, advocating “love, peace and goodwill toward men.”)

● Those choosing argumentation, do so by conflating the results of a variety of social movements (most frequently the Civil Rights movement of the 60s, and improved working conditions of organized labor, resulting from work stoppages) with efforts to modify foreign, economic, educational or energy policy, which ultimately rests in the hands of a very few – the in-place Administration and Members of Congress.

● A third approach is the apparent recognition that social change takes place over a long period of time, with an implied inference that persistent application of protest strategies is a necessary condition to achieving such change.

There will be those who, without reason and applying only emotion to the facts of the Vietnam War, will argue that the demonstrations, disruption, and civil disobedience of the 1960s illustrate the “power of the people,” to change the country’s war making policies. While a case may be made for these activities driving Lyndon Johnson from office, the war, under Nixon, continued, escalated for a period, and ended only with the United State suffering a humiliating defeat at the hands of its opponents, and being driven from the country. Yet, despite these facts, some continue to cling to street demonstrations as an effective strategy for ending the Iraq War.

Few of those exposed to the views of George W. Bush find much intelligence or credibility in their content. Yet, as protest and dissent from the Iraq War began to be hear, he provided us with an ultimate truth, when he said, “I am the decider!” That statement applies not to the personage of Bush, but instead to whoever occupies that office.

When it comes to War Making or making peace. the President of the United states is ultimately the only mind which must be changed. This statement applied to Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon during the Vietnam War; it applied to Bush 41, as he conducted the Gulf War; it applies to Bush 43 as he attacked, ordered the occupation of, and applied a troop surge to, the Iraq War.

Through his Vice President, who uttered a dismissive, “So,” when questioned regarding the Administration’s willingness to respond to the will of the country, Bush has amply communicated his stubborn refusal to yield to the will of the electorate. No protest is going to change that.

What about the next President? All of the remaining candidates are well aware of the desires of America when it comes to the war. Two have promised to begin to withdraw troops, hedging this intent with future conditions as they may exist. McCain remains wedded to the fantasy of “winning,” which, in his simplistic, ignorant, and aging brain, leaves all of us wondering just what solutions he has in mind.

That there is a vast difference between promises made during campaigns, vs. promises kept once in office, should be almost self evident. There are two reasons for this – either the candidate never intended to keep the promise, or once in office, the promise is found impossible to keep. Bush 41 lost a second term in office, by (among other things) failing in his efforts to, Read my lips: No New Taxes.”

There is little that the voters can do to influence decisions made, once a President occupies the office. There is however much that all of us together, and individually can do to determine the intent of the candidate, and the likelihood that promises made are achievable. The acrimony and divisiveness now existing between Clinton and Obama has seriously impacted on the chances of either winning the general election. A very recent poll suggests that McCain is drawing ahead of both, resulting from the recent dispute over Obama’s association with his pastor, fueled by the Clinton campaign.

Solely emotional elements have overridden assessments of intra-party candidate differences on issues, as well as the profound divergence in approach between the Democratic candidates and McCain. In recent weeks, Obama’s failure to wear a patriotic lapel pin, his middle name, his association with his pastor, and his presumed readiness to answer an early morning phone call, have taken precedence in the priorities of some, over such matters as solving the recession, the Iraq War, illegal immigration, and health care.

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Sherwin Steffin is a retired educator, and research analyst. His working career ranged from classroom teacher, university administrator, founder and CEO of two software companies, independent consultant, ending as a research statistician for a large Internet Service Provider.

Although he has some mobility problems, his life continues to be productive and enjoyable. He spends his time doing online tutoring, reading writing entries in his blog, operating an online store, and dabbling a bit in the Foreign Exchange trading markets.

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Trainer12 is a long time activist DFA & PDA member working for progressive change in America. I am also the point of contact for PDA, the Progressive Democrats of America. I am a "Neighborhood Leader" "Victory Precinct Captain" or "VP" for the Democractic Party for this election cycle in Lower Makefield Township, in Bucks County. My job is to recruity three other Democrats and each of us contact 25 registered Democrats and get them to the polls. I am in the South Seventh Ward of Lower Makefield...

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Trainer12Trainer12 is a long time activist DFA & PDA member working for progressive change in America. I am also the point of contact for PDA, the Progressive Democrats of America. I am a "Neighborhood Leader" "Victory Precinct Captain" or "VP" for the Democractic Party for this election cycle in Lower Makefield Township, in Bucks County. My job is to recruity three other Democrats and each of us contact 25 registered Democrats and get them to the polls. I am in the South Seventh Ward of Lower Makefield...

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Protests don't work?

I disagree.  We would have never pulled out of Vietnam without protests.  It is our right and our duty to protest as citizens. It is our way of holding our elected leaders accountable. If protest, electoral politics, litigation, legislation fail, it says in the Declaration of Independence that it is the inherent right of the people to alter or abolish their government.

by Trainer12 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 49 comments) on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 8:25:47 AM
 


Sherwin Steffin is a retired educator, and research analyst. His working career ranged from classroom teacher, university administrator, founder and CEO of two software companies, independent consultant, ending as a research statistician for a large Internet Service Provider. Although he has some mobility problems, his life continues to be productive and enjoyable. He spends his time doing online tutoring, reading writing entries in his blog, operating an online store, and dabbling a bit in ...

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Sherwin SteffinSherwin Steffin is a retired educator, and research analyst. His working career ranged from classroom teacher, university administrator, founder and CEO of two software companies, independent consultant, ending as a research statistician for a large Internet Service Provider. Although he has some mobility problems, his life continues to be productive and enjoyable. He spends his time doing online tutoring, reading writing entries in his blog, operating an online store, and dabbling a bit in ...

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Be Specific

I would very much like to see you link the demonstrations to our pull-out from Vietnam. Before you attempt to do so, however, I suggest that you look at some of the films of our chaotic exit from the roof of the American Embassy in Saigon. Watch as helicopters are dumped into the ocean, to make room for more during those last panicked days.

As far as the right to carry on demonstations and protests, that has never been in question... only the effctiveness and utility of this strategy. 

by Sherwin Steffin (15 articles, 24 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 90 comments) on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 8:58:04 AM
 


Hater of Nazis above all. Hobbies include activism, military model building, military history, exciting and vital conversation with retired crooks. Retired
John HanksHater of Nazis above all. Hobbies include activism, military model building, military history, exciting and vital conversation with retired crooks. Retired

Protests never fail.

It is true that protests rarely convert or have any influence on crooks in power.  But, protests always work because they show that protests are possible and they build solidarity with those who share the protestor's point of view.  Crook society works by making good people think that they are alone.  Nothing could be further from the truth.

If you watched the media, you would think we were all 14 year old frat boys.  That is the norm they want to project.  Protess counter that nonsense.

by John Hanks (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1186 comments) on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 12:44:40 PM
 


Hater of Nazis above all. Hobbies include activism, military model building, military history, exciting and vital conversation with retired crooks. Retired
John HanksHater of Nazis above all. Hobbies include activism, military model building, military history, exciting and vital conversation with retired crooks. Retired

More.

Moral protests are the least effective, however.  Every pitch man knows that man is not a moral actor.  He is a moralizer.  Moralizing appeals that say "Peace" or "Stop the War" are not as effective as appeals that say, "Support the Troops...Stop Fragging them for Bucks" or "Be What They Can Fool You to Be".  (People are much more afraid of being conned, than of being immoral.)  Lefties and Righties are both moved more by anger and fear than anything else.  It is the human weaknesses that count...not the strengths, which flower very rarely.

by John Hanks (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1186 comments) on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 12:50:58 PM
 


Sherwin Steffin is a retired educator, and research analyst. His working career ranged from classroom teacher, university administrator, founder and CEO of two software companies, independent consultant, ending as a research statistician for a large Internet Service Provider. Although he has some mobility problems, his life continues to be productive and enjoyable. He spends his time doing online tutoring, reading writing entries in his blog, operating an online store, and dabbling a bit in ...

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Sherwin SteffinSherwin Steffin is a retired educator, and research analyst. His working career ranged from classroom teacher, university administrator, founder and CEO of two software companies, independent consultant, ending as a research statistician for a large Internet Service Provider. Although he has some mobility problems, his life continues to be productive and enjoyable. He spends his time doing online tutoring, reading writing entries in his blog, operating an online store, and dabbling a bit in ...

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You miss the point.

The results of any protest on the gerneral population is irrelevant. Protests are carried out with the objective of causing a change in policy. As I have pointed out, changing attitudes or enlisting support of the general public does nothing to change behavior of those having policy making power. None of the rest of the results matter.

by Sherwin Steffin (15 articles, 24 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 90 comments) on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 2:25:58 PM
 


Having lived six decades now, I've had a lot of experiences! Grew up in a family often oppressed because of our faith - we stood for peace and against war, and for the rights of all regardless of ethnic background. Active from youth in peace and civil rights. Vietnam-era draft resister. Worked for a while for peace and social justice groups, and then became a civil servant. Felt a call to a consistent life ethic, and am currently serving as President of Consistent Life. All this is out of Chr...

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Bill SamuelHaving lived six decades now, I've had a lot of experiences! Grew up in a family often oppressed because of our faith - we stood for peace and against war, and for the rights of all regardless of ethnic background. Active from youth in peace and civil rights. Vietnam-era draft resister. Worked for a while for peace and social justice groups, and then became a civil servant. Felt a call to a consistent life ethic, and am currently serving as President of Consistent Life. All this is out of Chr...

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What does work?

The article failed to really provide another strategy.  Some of what was said is true, but on the whole it was too simplistic.

History does show that protests can be very influential in bring about change.  So a denunciation of protests per se just doesn't make sense.

But many protests are what the song says, "A bunch of people carrying signs, mostly saying hurray for our side."  They can be angry gatherings of people who talk mostly to themselves, and these generally turn off more people than they influence positively.  And in recent years, we have the increasing use of the tactic of seeking arrest for arrest's sake.  This is not true civil disobedience, and it doesn't carry the power of it.  It is a gimmick, and any fool can see through it.

There have been creative witness efforts, and it is important that we stand very publicly for an alternative approach to that of the political establishment.  So protests are needed.

But it is almost always going to be a multi-faceted approach that achieves real change.  So protests alone aren't likely to do it.  Steffin could have properly criticized over-reliance on protests, and failure to do enough of the other things that need doing.  But he is wrong in just blankedly opposing protests.

He is right about impeachment.  It's not going to work, and it's too late in the Administration for it to be that meaningful.  Mostly it serves as a distraction from social change efforts that would be more meaningful.  That it's justified doesn't necessarily mean it's what makes sense to focus upon.

The so-called "progressive movement" is generally weak and lacking in creativity, and often engages in counter-productive efforts.  Many of the things it appears to stand for actually do have widespread support among the people, but the movement itself has not taken advantage of that and as a movement it has not been popular.

by Bill Samuel (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 270 comments) on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 8:50:56 PM
 


A bit of an old hippy and activist
Judy RamseyA bit of an old hippy and activist

Agree...

So what is the alternative to those of us out here wanting to DO SOMETHING?  We can't just stand by without trying to affect what's going on, so what DO we do if not protest?  Where are our leaders?  We really need a MLK, Jr.  Where are our Pete Seeger and Woody Guthries?  How do we get people's attention in our corporate news culture?

by Judy Ramsey (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 82 comments) on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 9:08:03 AM
 


I'm a 29 year old male. 
TyI'm a 29 year old male. 

Protests

Protests can work but they have to be continuous and the number of people attending them needs to steadily increase. Just having a protest once in a while does no good. Strikes and mass boycotts are very effective since they disrupt the economy and cause big business to lose money.

 

by Ty (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 809 comments) on Sunday, March 23, 2008 at 9:11:55 PM
 


Graduated Class of 1965, Hueneme High in Southern California, when I feel there was a large split in society between those for the status quo and those for a better world. I also have 5 plus years of university units with no degree.  Activism and politics entered my life just before Bush I.  I am a single mother (never married) of 2 adult daughters (ages 38 and 31) one a brittle diabetic since age 4 requiring a life altering amount of hospitalizations for 12 years.  I presently live in the Lagun...

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ljsGraduated Class of 1965, Hueneme High in Southern California, when I feel there was a large split in society between those for the status quo and those for a better world. I also have 5 plus years of university units with no degree.  Activism and politics entered my life just before Bush I.  I am a single mother (never married) of 2 adult daughters (ages 38 and 31) one a brittle diabetic since age 4 requiring a life altering amount of hospitalizations for 12 years.  I presently live in the Lagun...

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Protests stopped Blackwater in Potrero recently

Recently, protests stopped Blackwater from being allowed to move into Potrero, CA.  The money grubbers in the city council were voted out after the protest and the signs continued until Blackwater was denied access to the community of Potrero, much to the annoyance of Duncan Hunger and Jacobs (Republicans both.)

by ljs (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 55 comments) on Monday, March 24, 2008 at 7:34:50 PM
 

 

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