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December 10, 2007 at 13:53:07

Vick Sentenced to 23 Months in Prison: Racism Wins Over Justice

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I am a dog lover and strongly believe in animal rights. However, the sentence of Michael Vick is another example of racism in our criminal justice system. Furthermore, the justice system punishes those who are culturally brought up in poverty. OJ got a fair trial because he had the money. While Vick had the wealth, he knew that going to trial would have exposed him to even more risk. So he chose to take the punishment and live comfortably whether or not he returns to the NFL after prison. 

The U.S. has the highest prison population per capita than any country in the world. Most of the prison population is from the least fortunate classes in our society. Below is some staggering information from a study conducted by The Pew Charitable Trusts about our prison system found at http://www.pewpublicsafety.org/research.aspx. You can come to your own conclusions about our criminal justice system and how it feeds a cottage industry to our detriment.

"After a 700-percent increase in the U.S. prison population between 1970 and 2005, you'd think the nation would finally have run out of lawbreakers to put behind bars. But according to Public Safety, Public Spending: Forecasting America's Prison Population 2007- 2011, a first-of-its-kind projection, state and federal prisons will swell by more than 192,000 inmates over the next five years. This 13-percent jump triples the projected growth of the general U.S. population, and will raise the prison census to a total of more than 1.7 million people. Imprisonment levels are expected to keep rising in all but four states, reaching a national rate of 550 per 100,000, or one of every 182 Americans. If you put them all together in one place, the incarcerated population in just five years will outnumber the residents of Atlanta, Baltimore and Denver combined. The national price tag is staggering. The projected 192,023 new prisoners--leave aside the current population of more than 1.5 million inmates--could cost as much as $27.5 billion: potentially a cumulative $15 billion in new operating costs and $12.5 billion in new construction costs by 2011. Every additional dollar spent on prisons, of course, is one dollar less that can go to preparing for the next Hurricane Katrina, educating young people, providing health care to the elderly, or repairing roads and bridges. Don't picture this parade of prisoners as an exclusively male group. Nationwide, men outnumber women behind bars, but women are playing a dubious kind of catch-up here. The number of women prisoners is projected to grow by 16 percent by 2011, while the male population will increase 12 percent. In some states this disparity is particularly striking. Nevada, for example, is projecting a 36-percent increase in female prisoners over the next half-decade. Gender differences aren't the only area in which trends vary widely among states and regions. Although national prison populations aren't currently growing at the same furious pace as they were a few years back, in some states and regions growth rates remain in crisis mode."

 

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W.M.L.Undergraduate degree in political science and philosophy: summa cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa; with postgraduate work in political economics. Postgraduate degree is a juris doctorate. I am a voracious reader and, although I make no claim to expertise, have self studied in logic, linguistics, theology, theoretical physics, macroeconomics, technical and fundamental market analysis, world history, and many other subjects, which I believed at the time helped explain the world around me.

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THESE NUMBERS ARE LOW

Compared to recent studies that I have read, the numbers from this study are awfully low. First, this article denotes the number of people in "prison," which is a term of art in the profession, referring only to those people serving sentences of over one year in state or federal instituions. The remainder of persons confined consists of inmates in county jails either awaiting trial or serving sentences of one year or less. The total number of incarcerated human beings in the United States supposedly exceeds 2 million (not counting those under house arrest). Additionally, the United States has more people incarcerated than any other country in the world, period. One does not need to add the qualification "per capita."

And yes, while the abuse of these wonderful animals is a serious crime, there is no crime more serious than locking up a human being in an eight by ten cell in a system where rape, racism, and police brutality has become so institutionalized that the only escape is to voluntarily choose solitary confinement. Vick has still to face the state court charges based upon the same conduct, which of course violates the Constitution's ban on double jeopardy, but which ban has consistently been held to not apply since the state and federal governments are two distinct jurisdictions.

Perhaps that is why the Founding Fathers were so wise as to limit the federal government's police powers so that it would never have jurisdiction over an activity like fighting dogs. Surprise! Their dog is bigger than Vick's dog, and this never would have happened to a white superstar.

by W.M.L. (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 283 comments) on Monday, December 10, 2007 at 4:08:42 PM
 


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Per capita

Actually, I'd say the 'per capita' addition to the comparison is quite germaine to the point. In most cases, the US has a much larger population than most countries and certainly all western countries, so an observation that more people are in prison in the US is a rather meaningless observation without the qualification.

The only thing that surprises me whenever I read anything about America's large prison population is that it seems no one ever talks about slave labour. To my mind, the connection is self-evident.

by Terry (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 32 comments) on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 at 11:24:37 PM
 


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Mr Vick was sentenced . . .

.  .  . to just a couple of months longer than his less-responsible accomplices, which seems reasonable: the head bad guy gets the longest sentence.  Because of the length of the sentence, Mr Vick will lose three NFL seasons: 2007, 2008, and he won't be released until October of 2009, well past training camp and into the regular season.

But, quite frankly, he deserved it, for criminal stupidity if nothing else.  he started this enterprise during his rookie season; as the first draft choice, he commanded millions in his rookie contract.  In 2005, he signed what was then the highest contract in the NFL.  I don't know how much money people can make in dog fighting, but it sure isn't the $131 million of his now-lost contract.

I don't see the sentence as excessive at all.  He got less than half of the legal maximum of five years, and was well within the sentencing guidelines.  It's difficult to argue that someone who was sentenced within the guidelines was sentenced unjustly.

by Dana Pico (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 142 comments) on Monday, December 10, 2007 at 7:39:40 PM
 


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Dog eat Dog and all that stuff.

While I cannot literally speak for the animal kingdom, I would anticipate that the dogs that were abused, tortured and killed by Vic and his fellow degenerates could not have cared less about there skin color, heritage, or social status. Nor would they have cared about Vics "professional" sports salary.

Racism? Gimmeabreak! Vic was damn lucky to only get what he got, and if there is any real justice (there isn't) he will run into a gigantic sadistic bubba in prison who is also a genuine dog lover. Lets see how Vic likes being someones prison female canine.

Dog eat dog and all of that stuff.

by James Strait (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 191 comments) on Monday, December 10, 2007 at 8:25:59 PM
 


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Mr Vick is a professional athlete . . .

.  .  . and it's rather unlikely that he would be the rape victim in prison.  But even though we know that homosexual rape does occur in prisons, that doesn't mean we ought to wish it on anyone.

by Dana Pico (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 142 comments) on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 at 5:34:46 AM
 


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liberalsrocki am a former teacher of 30 years with a history and political science major.I started getting politically active when Ronnie Regan ended my social security hopes for teahers

vick got what he deserved

their is nothing lower then a dog murder,other then a child rapist.dogs are loving creatures who only want the companionship of their masters.It takes a truly hateful person to causually slaughter an innocent  animal for fun and profit.This same kind of person with no conscience could in later years turn with no trouble to people.Do prisons have to be reformed,definitely yes.The conservative idea of  punishment over reform is evil and unchristian.training skills should be taught in all prisons and education.Still saying all this, black,white ,yellow a person torturing a dog deserves his sentence.

by liberalsrock (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 113 comments) on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 at 7:48:11 AM
 


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Just right

So a white person would not have been sentenced huh? Mike Vick was a hero to millions of Americans including children. His enormous influence may well have added severity to his punishment, and perhaps justifiably. Any white, yellow, green, or orange person of the same stature would have gotten the same.

And O.J. got a FAIR trial because he had money?

by Mike Folkerth (120 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 566 comments) on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 at 11:42:45 AM
 


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I'm unclear as to your point

I fail to see how Vick's sentence is evidence of racism winning out over justice. First of all, is the sentence somehow unjust? Personally, I think not. It's not even all that unkind, as much as I tend myself to oppose lengthy jail sentences (and I don't think his is particularly lengthy). Now, if you wish to point out that equivalent white offenders would get off lighter, then you'd have a point about the racism inherent in the system. But even then, I don't see it as racism winning over justice in Vick's case, but rather it would be evidence of racism winning over justice in those other hypothetical cases. (I don't assume that such cases are hypothetical in reality, it's just that I don't know of any.) However, even then, it wouldn't necessarily signify racism, because society's attitudes may be evolving. So you'd have to show how other, white offenders got off lightly both before and after Vick's sentence. Furthermore, you'd have to eliminate the possibility that a public figure might be used to set a strong example, because of all the publicity, which in itself would have nothing to do with race.

Personally, I think absolutely nothing about his case has anything to do with race. I'm saddened that an organization like the NAACP would decide to open its collective mouth at all on this, because I think it just damages their credibility. There must come a point when at least some people are viewed purely and merely as individuals. Those who insist on continually perceiving people in terms of groups, regardless of which side of the coin they may fall on, perpetuate things like racism more than anything that could be benefitted by specific comments. I think this article does exactly that.

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