I think that Bill Maher is the most talented political pundit of this generation.Since he decided to exclude the right wing nuts from his show, he speaks with much greater credibility.However, his last show was disappointing to me when he essentially marginalized anyone who has doubts about the official 9/11 story.By focusing only upon the controlled demolition theory of the Twin Towers, he excluded a more viable discussion of the collapse of building # 7 that was not hit by anything but the debris from towers 1 and 2.He further criticized those who have other doubts about the official story by intimating that it is ridiculous to believe that our government would attack its own people.
The flaw in that argument is the belief by Maher and other critics that it is absurd to believe that the U.S. Government would attack itself.Those of us who doubt the official story are suggesting that those in high positions in government may have had the motive and opportunity to allow this attack to succeed.This would make it a renegade operation by those in government, not “the U.S. Government.”Most of what is done in the name of our government has been hidden from the public since WW II.There are numerous CIA operations in the past 60 years that have been done in the name of our government without the consent of the people.
There are so many failures that took place simultaneously on 9/11 that it is almost an insult to our intelligence to believe that there is no need for further investigation.I agree that government in this administration has been incompetent.However, the unexplained failure of our air defense system and our intelligence agencies goes way beyond incompetence given all that was known by those in government shortly before the event.To use the controlled demolition theory as the sole excuse to argue that those who question the official 9/11 story are in need of Paxil is an insult to those who really want explanations and not just official government self-serving propaganda.And Bill Maher should know better.I would like Maher to explain the other tangible inconsistencies about 9/11 instead of focusing on the controlled demolition theory.
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I have no problems with continuing the investigating any points that have lingering unanswered questions.I don’t personally believe that we attacked ourselves though.
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Michael Chavers (47 articles, 0 quicklinks, 13 diaries, 174 comments)
on Monday, September 17, 2007 at 3:46:26 PM
I love Bill Maher's show and the last one with Mos Def, Cornell West and Ralph Nader was outstanding. Hope that you are right about ousting the talking point spewing brownshirts from future appearances. Maher knows where his bread is buttered and sure as hell isn't going to upset the apple cart by daring to question the holiest of holies that is the 9/11 official story.
I am an agnostic so I basically think all religion is bullshit including the government lies and subsequent cover up of who is really behind 9/11. At the very best our trillion dollars worth of intel was penetrated by a some bogeyman sitting in a cave who was able to overcome NORAD and capitalize on multiple war games and hijacking drills. This is bad because it means that the corrupt government has allowed moles to infiltrate our national security infrastructure. At worst it was a coup d'etat by a rogue network operating using Edward Luttwak's 'Coup D'Etat' as a gameplan and utilizing a secret/ Shadow gov't infrastructure that was already in place through the COG (Continuity of Government) programs that were the offspring of Ollie North's REX 84.
No offense to Bill Maher but balling porn stars, reveling in celebrity and providing a pressure valve is a tradeoff that most would make to avoid upsetting the real power structure.
Just my two cents
EE
By the way, I love what you have done with Air America but it just isn't the same without Mike Malloy.
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Ed Encho (7 articles, 15 quicklinks, 56 diaries, 391 comments)
on Monday, September 17, 2007 at 5:36:19 PM
Thank you for this article; I had the same let down feeling in watching Bill's show last Friday. He is always completely spot on and wonderfully irreverent no matter who is on his guest panel or big screen, I just figured he harbored a healthy skepticism regarding 9/11 as well. Is there some edict that EVERYONE in the public eye has to adhere to, such as, you'll lose your job or your family or your kneecaps, if you raise questions about 9/11 - so as to further marginalize those of us who DO speak up?
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Susan Guest (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 79 comments)
on Monday, September 17, 2007 at 5:51:07 PM
There is such an edict and it is palpable. The Legend of Nine-Eleven, ('Legend of' being CIA codetalk meaning "a known myth"), is a brittle veneer so much of a piece with massmind media, that breaking open one is breaking open the other.
Indeed, for Nine Eleven Op truth to be presented in the public's 'marketplace of ideas,' we must destroy the village of broadcasting in order to save it. Only when broadcasting crumbles, can the truth be broadcast.
The actuality which is giving the 'entertainment fantasists' fits, is that people's recognition that Nine Eleven Op was a hoax, (in whatever degree suits one's psychology to accept, since in total truth is was a total hoax -- plotted and conducted by US Government agency and no hijackers even on-board, none, zero, zip, nada, zilch; and in corollary, the pattern of a sixty-year m.o., there is no 'enemy,' both communists and terrorists, in their turns, are invented fictions as the protagonists against which is fabricated USA's raison d'etre as antagonist), is the consensus that keeps on spreading wider-known, despite and because of the massmind media's protestations (too much) against it and denying it.
Yes, even now to an edict. Broadcasting is prohibited to carry Nine Eleven Op truth. Which is accomplishing the exact opposite: People obtain knowing the truth from the vacuum around it.
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meremark (1 articles, 3 quicklinks, 25 diaries, 494 comments)
on Monday, September 17, 2007 at 7:23:56 PM
is a putz. The only way someone can be so intentionally stupid regarding 911 is if they are simply and consciously carrying the government's water. Of course he is relief valve for dissent. Never can the elite allow it to get so heated and pissed off that folks might actually fight the illegal governemnt en mass.
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richard (0 articles, 5 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 785 comments)
on Monday, September 17, 2007 at 6:19:59 PM
with Medicis above. Maher is 'His Majesty's Opposition Jester'. He wants to live a good life no matter what. I don't balme him- all comedians know that as soon as they step over the line and become something more they will be destroyed. Humor is toothless in the US- that's the deal. Otherwise you must be Michael Moore.
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Mark Sashine (50 articles, 19 quicklinks, 242 diaries, 3437 comments)
on Monday, September 17, 2007 at 7:14:07 PM
so what are we gonna do? I agree we must take back our airwaves, but that is more long term. Now, today(or Tuesday) we must demand our Representatives sign on to House Res. 333 to impeach Cheney. Get that treasonous traitor under oath and we will have him convicted before lunch. Then, as treason at a time of war is a CAPITAL offense, his time on death row can be used water boarding all the 9/11 truth like what he meant by, "Of course the orders still stand! Have you heard any different"
18 brave reps have already signed. Did you hear about that in our "free" press? Find some balls, break out of your comfort zone and get in your reps face! Do a sit in, picket, or whatever you can. We must "alter or abolish" starting this minute! If we let them fully implement the fascist police state they have been lining up, the struggle will be much more difficult.
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CamusRebel (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 74 comments)
on Monday, September 17, 2007 at 9:58:51 PM
"Since excluding the right-wing nuts from his show, he speaks with greater credibility..."
Got it backwards. That actually means he joins Bill Moyers and Keith Olbermann in refusing to let his side stand up in a debate, whether it's out of laziness or cowardice.
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Scott (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 481 comments)
on Monday, September 17, 2007 at 11:38:45 PM
I just wanted to first thank you for all of the work you've done with Nova M radio. Both Mike Malloy and Jeff Farias are very informative and polite radio hosts. http://www.novamradio.com/index.php?pid=30
As I mentioned once before, as a former Iron Worker and until you've actually been up close and seen the steel that goes into a high rise building which is quite massive, you would then realize how hard it would be for the steel in the Trade Towers to collapse in the way they did.
A good portion of those two huge towers should have remained standing. Steel just doesn't crumble like that. I don't believe we'll ever learn the real truth. The corporate media won't stand for it. An sadly, without 911 there was no illegal invasion of Iraq which is part of the PNAC playbook. Hegemony in the Middle East. We're going to be there for a long time.
It just goes to show how ignorant Bill Maher is. I stopped watching years ago.
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Munich (0 articles, 64 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 809 comments)
on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at 12:16:15 AM
...Bill Maher is free to think whatever he wishes to think, as are we all. He pays the cost to be the boss, and for the most part, he does a good job at what he does. To say he's a coward, or is playing for the money, you forget that he had a show called Politically Incorrect. That show was canceled because of this comment made on 9-17-01: "We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly. Stupid maybe, but not cowardly."
Saying something that controversial six days after the fact is not the action of a coward. While I am not necessarily hip on that quote, there is a grain of truth to it. He is, as he said, the only person who got fired as a direct result of 9/11.
Second, it's time for a spade to be called a spade, there are some FUCKED UP theories out there! I mean!
Who came up with this lame crap about a death ray, or was it a particle weapon that supposedly did the deed? I want to know where that person buys their weed! I'm betting it's some pretty potent shit...if it can make anyone reasonable think that such a thing exists in the first place, or wouldn't make its presence known, considering how big such a thing would need to be, and how much power it would require, it's got to be amazingly good pot!
I have also read some other theories and "proofs" that leave me scratching my head that anyone could even conceive of such ideas, much less post them on the internet where other lunatics can take the idea and run with it.
That the government could or would attack itself is a reasonable proposition. There are reasons why and many ways such a thing could prove profitable. Therefore the idea that there is more to 9/11 than meets the eye is reasonable. The idea that 9/11 was an inside job also has merit. Depending on how you look at it, even without their direct hands upon it, inaction before, and fear mongering after the fact implies that the government was complicit in the attack on 9/11.
The problem with the issue of government conspiracy is there are some people who live, sleep, eat, and breathe government conspiracy. They see it where it isn't, and destroy the credibility of rational people that also believe in whatever the conspiracy might be. They put forth ludicrous arguments, and sling mud into the waters unnecessarily.
And worst of all, they whine when someone attacks their ideas. I saw it here in the comments. Come on, if you really believe in your ideas, what one controversial comedian says shouldn't mean anything one way or the other.
The plain fact is, barring some sort of miracle, most of you reading this article and myself will be dead before any "truth" gets told about 9/11 and America's involvement therein. So why get so flustered about it? There are issues far more important than the words of Bill Maher. It pains me to say that, but it is the truth!
Blessed be! Pappy
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Pappy (61 articles, 0 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 860 comments)
on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at 2:55:37 AM
To admonish his "fans" to stop talking about the 9/11 attack as if it were a conspiracy is the height of arrogance and conceit. He is hardly an expert on anything except maybe pot. And that does tend to fry one's brain. There are real experts who have presented proof that the attack on 9/11 was indeed not what it seemed. For instance there was no plane that struck the Pentagon. There is proof of that. So it stands to reason that there is a lot more evidence that belies the report on the event. Several of the members of that panel are demanding a real investigation of that attack. I'm for that.
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Caronome (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 219 comments)
on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at 1:29:04 PM
I was stunned that Maher took such a position. It shows that the 9/11 truth movement faces some incredible obstacles. This movement that I have publicly supported needs a political strategy to achieve its central goal - a new and credible investigation. See my recent article Painful 9/11 Truth.
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Joel S. Hirschhorn (126 articles, 30 quicklinks, 57 diaries, 505 comments)
on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at 1:32:13 PM
Conspiracy theories abound after any great moment in history however to keep them in perspective and to cut the carpet out from under them all you have to do is make sure the truth is out there! Why didn't the administration jump at the chance to clear the whole 911 thing up immediately? Why did they have to be cajoled into havin a commission to go over the details? Why are they still holding back information about that tragic event? These are the reasons conspiracy theories are born.
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Archie (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1097 comments)
on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at 1:32:25 PM
He is hardly an expert on anything except maybe pot. And that does tend to fry one's brain.
So, are you saying that because he smokes pot and proclaims that fact loudly and proudly that everything he says is wrong?
Talk about the height of arrogance!
Do you drink alcohol? Have you ever smoked weed, snorted coke, or perhaps enjoyed that pain killer perhaps a bit more than you should have? If so, then you have nothing to say in this vein. If not, then when is your canonization? Surely you are a saint of the highest degree!
I am not a follower of Bill Maher. I am a fan. I don't get all pinched up inside when he says things that I find wrong. I have a life of my own. It is not predicated on the opinions of Bill Maher. You don't see me coming off the handle whenever he pontificates on gay issues. He obviously doesn't know that much about that side of reality, so he can be forgiven his ignorance, or when he dips into the easy well of stereotypical jokes.
I can't help but be completely amused by your post, and the posts of some others. Y'all are talking like he committed some egregious and unforgivable sin just because he disagreed with the pet bees in your bonnets. How petty can you possibly be?
My goddess, it's not like he fellated DUBYA right there on national TV. He just said he thinks the truthers are off their rockers. In some cases, he's right. Just a mere looksee at some of the comments here prove his statements.
If his disagreement so messes with your world view, isn't it time to review said view?
I remember how incensed I was when South Park slapped the truthers around, and might I add, did it in a much more insulting fashion than Bill Maher. They effectively called all thruthers retards. Where was the moral outrage then? Where were all of you then? I was pissed! How about all of you? A lot more people watch South Park than watch Real Time With Bill Maher. Therefore, the opinions of Trey Parker and Matt Stone are much more likely to reach a wider audience. Clearly, having the truthers slammed by South Park is more effective than Bill Maher could ever be.
Yet no one came off their nut that day. Either you folks don't watch South Park, or you find it infinitely easier to ignore that show because of its crude exterior. In either case, you are making huge mistakes. South Park and the opinions of its creators are much more powerful in this society than Bill Maher. He can only hope to have the fan base that South Park enjoys!
I took time to think about the episode in question before I thought about giving up being a fan of South Park. They are entitled to their opinion as well, and just because they think I am a retard because I think there's a bit more to the story, that doesn't make me a retard. Once again, you can call me a doctor all day long, but don't put a scalpel in my hand and expect me to do an appendectomy without killing the patient.
If the words of a political comic shake the foundation of your life so much that you have to resort to some of the sniveling I have read here, perhaps it's time to trade in your life on one that's a little more interesting.
I am not speaking only to the author of this particular comment. I am speaking to everyone who is having palpitations over one of their icons not come out on their side of a particular story. My goddess, how juvenile can you possibly be?
For myself, I still believe there is more to the story than what we have heard. Bill Maher's contempt for the issue hasn't changed my mind in the least! It will not, because I made my opinion on 9/11 as I watched the towers fall. I know what my eyes told me, and the rantings of a political comedian are no substitute for my own eyes.
Blessed be! Pappy
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Pappy (61 articles, 0 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 860 comments)
on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at 2:23:35 PM
They have deliberately ignored perhaps the greatest smoking gun of September 11th. Perpetrators in custody by FBI. Explosives seized in the act of targeting one of New York's largest bridges ON SEPTEMBER 11TH 2001.
Then nothing. Complete and deafening silence. It disappeared from history.
Here is the transcript of Dan Rather's CBS report (on live TV to millions of viewers):
"Two suspects are in FBI custody after a truckload of explosives were discovered around the George Washington Bridge. That bridge links New York to New Jersey over the Hudson River. Whether the discovery of those explosives had anything to do with other events today is unclear, but the FBI, has two suspects in hand, said the truckload of explosives, enough explosives were in the truck to do great damage to the George Washington Bridge..."
Now, on what planet can this report just be ignored by a congressional investigation of 9/11, without any attempt to explain it whatsoever?
And all you smug blinders-on "debunkers" out there, who's "nuts?" Who's "irrational?" Who's not looking at "the facts?" (Go send some more money to BushCo.)
George Orwell (pseudonym of Eric Arthur Blair) remains our age's greatest thinker, which is a real shame since he died back in 1950.
I try to look at the bright side of 1984, that these concepts are exposed, and obvious to a great many, where once they were hidden and mysterious. "He who controls the present controls the past."
There is so much evidence that our past has been altered -- by tossing the disagreeable parts into the Memory Hole -- that it would take a highly ignorant person, an intentionally ignorant person, to not see it. At some point, in a nominal "democracy", ignorance should rise to the level of criminal. At least such ignorance should be called out, shunned, exposed for the intellectual cowardice and sloth it truly is.
Agents from the state of Israel were driving that van full of explosives. That's why you haven't heard about it again. That's why it can't be mentioned in congressional "investigations." That's why the 9/11 Truth Movement is attacked across even the "alternative" media. It's not the disinformation "whack job" theories, although those tie in. It's the Israeli connection to the attacks which makes it forbidden to talk about on both "alternative" and on corporate controlled airwaves.
Fox News Sets the Example
Before the excessive clampdown on information, Carl Cameron produced an eye opening 4 part series on extensive Israeli spying in America, including Israeli government infiltration of our nation's telephone billing records, and even of the secure US government telephone systems.
It is from Cameron's investigation that we learned from a US government source: "Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."
Stroke of a pen, poof. Like the George Washington Bridge van full of explosives, Carl Cameron's 4 part broadcast, which went out to millions of viewers, disappeared without a trace from the Fox "News" website. Down the Memory Hole it went. It was also removed from the web archive The Wayback Machine. Someone really wanted this information buried.
The Fox report attempts to frame the issue as one of Israeli foreknowledge of 9/11, without the possibility of active participation in the attacks. This innocence is clearly not proven and is simply editorializing. Given the scale and severity of the cover up, we cannot assume that this massive espionage operation was as benign as is claimed.
For my money, the deepest, darkest secrets of 9/11 are to be found at Mossad front operation Urban Moving Systems, in Weehawken NJ, and the "real" investigation should begin right there.
Perhaps a few questions for Urban Moving’s owner, Dominik Otto Suter, who fled to Israel shortly before he was to be re-questioned by the FBI?
Or asking Paul Kurzberg why he felt the need to celebrate so overtly when Flight 11 plowed into the North Tower that witnesses called the police on him and his team?
I'm quite tired of living in Oceania, with the unquestioning Proles. Somewhere in the FBI is a Winston Smith who knows more than he was supposed to know about these matters. We can hope, right?
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johndoraemi (17 articles, 12 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 166 comments)
on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at 2:25:10 PM
That Carl Bernstein was a guest on the show where Maher ridiculed 9/11 skeptics. After all, he wrote that great 1977 Rolling Stone expose on the CIA and the media that is available at the following link:
when you think about it what bill maher said right after 9/11 was bazzar to say the least or maybe he was drunk. why even go there? but the lack of income after that, showed bill who the boss really is. maybe he's evening the score. but why praise something before all the facts are in. lossing that fine boody and perks is a real mutha for ya. anyway when you find out bush's cousin had the security contract for the towers you know more needs to be done. william rodriguez janitor for 20 years and saw it all first hand escaping death three or more times wasn't allowed to testify at the 9/11 hearings or any other person who heard explosions not even firefighters who were in the building. rudy knew to get out the police knew to get out the firefighters who's radio's were old didn't hear the warning.
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caddstudent (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 1 comments)
on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at 11:00:25 PM
In all the discussion about how those three buildings came down, everybody overlooked one monstrous fact: That those videos of the planes hitting the buildings and burying themselves into them are a fake. Look at this:
This is just not the behaviour of an aluminium plane hitting a steel and concrete building. The engines may have crashed through, but the nose and wings would have smashed to bits, the planes would have broken up in the middle somewhere and the tail would have fallen, intact, straight down the building onto the ground. If those videos, broadcast by CNN and Fox News, were a fake, then there were no (passenger) planes!
Robert Hoogenboom Sydney, Australia
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Robert Hoogenboom (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 166 comments)
on Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 9:32:33 AM
In all the discussion about how those three buildings came down, everybody overlooked one monstrous fact: That those videos of the planes hitting the buildings and burying themselves into them are a fake.
I knew it would only be a matter of time until someone came along and illustrated exactly what I meant.
The planes were fakes? Are you serious?
And everyone here is wondering why Bill Maher is ready to condemn the truthers. It's one thing to say that the buildings fell in an apparently controlled fashion. There is much in the way of evidence for this possibility. It is the only thing I have heard from the truthers that makes sense and corresponds to what I felt on that day.
It is conceivable given the players that someone could have done a little building sabotage by planting charges. It is conceivable that the building was felled by those charges. There is enough curious stuff that goes with that theory that makes me believe that some part of it is true.
There are a lot of other theories that make no sense at all. The whole ET thing I dismiss right out of hand. That lot has already proved themselves ready to believe anything that even sounds remotely probable.
Particle machine? Absolutely no way. I admit that it is possible that such a thing exists. However, that's possible, not probable. Any machine capable of downing buildings like the WTC would require lots of power. It would have also required a direct line of site, and a close vicinity. Laws of physics didn't suspend themselves that day.
Someone would have noticed the entire city blacking out. Someone would have noticed the plasma or whatever "ray" such a machine might create. Someone would have noticed a big, honking machine pointing a weapon at the towers. Something like that would not have gone unnoticed, even considering the chaos of that day.
If you want people to believe you, you have to make sure that the wacko factions keeps their mouths shut! Sort the wheat from the chaff. Provide a united and cogent front, or your ideas will continue to garner the condemnation they deserve.
The planes were fake...and Santa Claus isn't.
Pitiful!
Blessed be! Pappy
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Pappy (61 articles, 0 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 860 comments)
on Thursday, September 20, 2007 at 3:56:37 AM
That link shows shots from the video broadcast worldwide by CNN on 9/11. That is just not the way a plane behaves when it crashes into a building. Stick to refuting the science.
Now, if those videos are fake, then there were no passenger planes, right?
Robert Hoogenboom Sydney, Australia
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Robert Hoogenboom (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 166 comments)
on Thursday, September 20, 2007 at 9:24:45 AM
It's bullshit! I don't know from whence this garbage arose, but it's total hogwash! And once again, it's why Bill Maher thinks that everyone who believes that 9/11 was an inside job is a card carrying lunatic.
Blessed be! Pappy
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Pappy (61 articles, 0 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 860 comments)
on Friday, September 21, 2007 at 2:13:24 AM
That is what the world was shown by CNN on 9/11 and that can't be right. Those three buildings were brought down with explosives in the most sophisticated way, and there were no passenger planes involved, if that video is the evidence (and hence no massive amounts of aircraft fuel that could have caused the pulverisation). There's nothing lunatic or crackpot about it, it's simple science.
Robert Hoogenboom Sydney, Australia
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Robert Hoogenboom (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 166 comments)
on Friday, September 21, 2007 at 4:35:27 AM
