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July 1, 2007 at 18:18:24

Why Not Assassinate-II ? When Your ENDS Justify Your MEANS, You Become the Means You Have Used

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Daniel Geery's article, Why Not Assassinate?-I, is definitely worth reading all the way through. His "fantasies" on the first page are cleverly undermined by his contrary arguments on the second page. So read both pages and think about it.

We have all had these fantasies, especially when hearing news reports such as the one I woke up to this morning: "Five more American soldiers were killed and seven injured in a roadside bomb attack...." And on and on.

OR: "At least 75 Iraqis were killed, including women and children, by a bomb attack on a food market in Baghdad...." And on and on....

We are living in an age in which unspeakable barbarism is not called barbarism -- it's called "surge," or "defense of Islam," or "revenge on our Infidel enemies," or "justified by national security."

That anyone, of any religion, of any political persuasion would place a car bomb loaded with nails in Piccadilly Circus with the expectation of wounding or killing as many innocent humans as possible is completely wicked.

It is equally wicked, despicably wicked, to plot a war against another country for the financial benefit of one's corporate friends, to falsify evidence and lie, and then invade that country on the basis of lies. To waste human life, both American and Iraqi, in the pursuit of that war was, is, and will continue to be wicked. No future historian will ever be able to claim this war was anything but wicked.

At the present time, the American government is controlled by those who believe that their ends -- their goals, objectives and wishes -- justify whatever means they use. Knowing that many of their ends would be unwelcome to most Americans, they have hidden them, or at least tried to.

If we were to embrace assassination as a way to rid ourselves of the extreme Machiavellians who control the GOP and the American government, that would make US like THEM -- we would be embracing wickedness, and in the end, we would become what we seek to destroy.

An immutable fact of life is that the means we choose to accomplish the goals in our lives come to define what we are.

We become what we have done and how we have done it. If you need proof of that statement, just look at Karl Rove and the minions who do his bidding. Lies, once told, must be maintained, and in the maintaining of falsehoods, one’s entire life becomes a falsehood.

A student who cheats on exams in order to get into law school or medical school becomes a cheater and has to pretend to have knowledge that was never acquired.

A job applicant with lies on his resume has to maintain those lies through year after year and job after job. The one who cheats becomes a cheat. The one who lies becomes a liar. ... And the one who kills, even for what seems like a laudable goal, becomes a killer.

And then, when one's enemy is dead, that enemy is a martyr. We must be glad that Hitler was not assassinated, that his defeat ended in the ignominy of suicide. It is delusional to think that lives would have been saved and the future would have been better if Hitler had died in 1944. Instead the post-war years would have been crowded with unrepentant Nazis on the world stage, arguing their cause, not on trial at Nuremburg. I believe Bonhoeffer later reached the same conclusion. He did not object to his execution because he came to believe that he had been wrong to assist in an assassination plot.

It would be lovely if Dick Cheney would keel over dead. But then we would have to live through a state funeral which glorified all his wickedness.

It would be lovely if Dubya's airplane hit turbulence and crashed, killing all aboard -- but then we'd have to live through a whole bunch of state funerals and glorifying memorials, including one for Karl Rove, who will be remembered as the one person more than any other who has done the most damage to our civil liberties, our rights, our constitutional protections, and our ability to trust our most fundamental institutions of government. Election officials? Corrupted. Legislators? Corrupted. War powers? Corrupted.

And on and on and on.

How much worse it would be if they were to be glorified in death! Their supporters, few as they are, are powerful and they control most of what the American people see and learn, and because it is considered impolite to criticize the dead, anyone who sought to stop the glorification would be slandered and abused.

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About me: *I am a Christian. One who believes in the lord, but also respects science (and other peoples beliefs and non-beliefs too). ...and I have no need to add the prefix "True" before the word "Christian", because either you are telling the "Truth" or you are not. *I have been married for __ years. I have a wonderful wife and two wonderful kids. *My web site is the work of one person. *I am a private individual. *I am not funded by any group. *I sincerely value human life (dem...

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RCGAbout me: *I am a Christian. One who believes in the lord, but also respects science (and other peoples beliefs and non-beliefs too). ...and I have no need to add the prefix "True" before the word "Christian", because either you are telling the "Truth" or you are not. *I have been married for __ years. I have a wonderful wife and two wonderful kids. *My web site is the work of one person. *I am a private individual. *I am not funded by any group. *I sincerely value human life (dem...

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This is such Incredibly Lame bullshit

I only read the first page. I just couldn't stomach any more of it.

You may wish everything was this black & white, but it is not.

You can tell me that if someone tried to shoot/kill you, or say, kill your child, that you would not defend yourself if it meant that you had to shoot and kill them first - because that would make you the same as them, i.e. a killer, but I call bullshit.

You can tell me that if someone burglarized your neighbor's house and planned to steal their valuables, and to rape, torture, and kill them in the process that you would not help defend them....oops, let me stop there. now that I believe. But not for the reasons you gave, because surely killing in self-defense or the defense of another innocent is absolutely NOT the moral equivalent of killing to steal, and for pleasure, etc. And damn it, if you have enough intelligence to turn on the computer and to submit this article - you have to know this.

Anyhoo, I believe you on this point, I don't think you would help your neighbor. I believe you would stand there in fear and watch their slaughter and at most perhaps verbally complain while waving a protest sign. "now-now you boys stop doing that. You're bad, you're really evil. Please, don't rape and kill my neighbor. And you know what? I'd stop you - I could shoot you right now and stop you, but then I'd be as bad as you - and that would be even worse. I couldn't live with that on my conscious. Now stop it. Stop raping that child. stop mutiliating that person - don't you know that hurts? I mean, put yourself in her shoes for a moment. How would you feel if someone was doing that to you? I mean, I mean, well...I never...you're just not listening to me. And oh no, here comes someone else - it's another neighbor - he wants to stop this crime - and he's got a gun - he says he is going to stop you bad guys - on no, oh no! if he does that then he will be just as bad. I must go talk some sense in to him - now you raping burglar murderers think about what I have said to you and I'll be back. )

Sigh, I almost cannot believe that I have to explain this to you and on this level.

And hmmmn, so I guess you also think that all the police officers that have had to defend themselves killing a criminal in the process...well, I don't have to guess, you have already said what you think of them.

Oh goodness, I could go on and on, tearing this utter and complete nonsense to shreds, but it's just too easy and I'm just too disgusted.

Do me a favor. Try to be morally honest, at least with yourself - if with no one else. Admit that there is some significant Grey in this area.

If you do that, then I will come back and help you put assassination in the proper perspective.

by RCG (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 352 comments) on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 11:47:01 AM
 


S. E. Hoffman is a scientist and writer, as well as a musician and classical singer. She has undergraduate degrees in geology and astronomy from San Francisco State University and a graduate degree in oceanography from Oregon State University. She is a geologist specializing in the origin and evolution of the Earth's crust. She wrote the original scientific paper that proposed that life on Earth originated in oceanic hydrothermal vents. Her studies of ancient rocks showed that Earth had an o...

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S. E. HoffmanS. E. Hoffman is a scientist and writer, as well as a musician and classical singer. She has undergraduate degrees in geology and astronomy from San Francisco State University and a graduate degree in oceanography from Oregon State University. She is a geologist specializing in the origin and evolution of the Earth's crust. She wrote the original scientific paper that proposed that life on Earth originated in oceanic hydrothermal vents. Her studies of ancient rocks showed that Earth had an o...

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Sigh, sigh. You took the general and went to the specific...

... a classic mistake made by demagogues who insist on closing their minds to the possibility of doing things differently. I was not talking about my specific actions here, nor what I would do in the strange hypotheticals that leapt to YOUR mind, not to mine -- I was and am talking about a moral stance in life. You put words into my mouth that I did not speak. You put attitudes into my head that I do not have. And you accused me of actions which I have never taken. That makes your comment abusive and unworthy of the kind of dialogue we need to have in this country.

Aside from the fact that it is wrong for you to make such specific assumptions about my behavior in specific situations without knowing me, it is very wrong to take what I say with regard to national and international politics and assume that I am referring to a personal attack -- and then to make the illogical leap that I would refuse to help a neighbor!!!

What pleasure does it give you to insult me in that way?

How can you possibly know what I may or may not do in such a case? I am a human being, and as Mozart reputedly said, "Nothing that is human is alien from me."

I am just as capable of anger and over-the-top emotional response as any other human being -- as you certainly are, though you would respond at a much lower threshold level of provocation. My guess, however, is that I am at least twice your age, and therefore I have had the opportunity to see for myself how futile anger and unthinking emotional responses are in real life. They do not solve our problems and do not make us happier or more secure -- only more bitter and more hate-filled.

I pity you because your writing clearly exhibits the kind of emotionally-charged resentments and anger that lead to tragic confrontations such as the ones you describe. Thus, you have let these fundamental errors in reasoning and logic blind you.

Now I COULD defend myself against your outrageous accusations with examples from my own life -- after all, I am a woman, and I HAVE faced down a rapist -- not once, but several times, over a period of decades. That is, after all, the lot of most women.

But I'd rather tell a story about another woman, who faced something far more dangerous:

Let us refer to an incident that happened several years ago, when a woman in Georgia, the mother of young children, was at home in the daytime when a very dangerous convicted murderer burst into her home. Did she try to fight him physically? No, because she knew she couldn't overpower him. Instead, with a wealth of spiritual courage that sustained her through what must have been intense physical fear, she spoke to him, asking him why he was doing what he was doing, what he hoped to accomplish. She read to him from a book that is very popular among evangelical Christians, but also among the rest of us Christians, "The Purpose-Driven Life." Eventually, because she did not panic and did not respond with violence, but instead spoke to this violent man as a human being who needed to be educated about the real purpose of his life, he voluntarily surrendered.

When this story hit the national news, many people were astounded by what happened. Others said, "She shoulda had a gun and shot him." Well, she didn't, but yet she saved a lot of lives that day, not only her own. Because she didn't threaten him and was able to "talk him down," human being to human being, he did not flee from her home and try to kill other people. He did not die himself, and although he has a long and difficult path, there is reasonable hope that he can somehow atone in this life for the terrible things he had already done.

Now, later we learned that this violent criminal had grown up in a horrible home environment, with domestic violence, substance abuse and neglect. Here was a small boy who was beaten and abused and grew up to think that the entire world would beat him if he didn't beat them first. Rather like Bill O'Reilly's childhood, as a matter of fact.

This is the source of nearly all violent interpersonal behavior in our country and most other countries -- children are raised by violent parents in violent homes in violent neighborhoods and they grow up to believe that only violence will protect them. They grow up learning that "might makes right" and "if you don't strike first, you'll lose the fight," and all those other stupid canards. Unfortunately, the right-wing demagoguery omnipresent in our national dialogue reinforces these canards. They are put forth as givens, with no supporting evidence.

And I seem to remember that the guy in Texas a few years ago, who thought he was defending his home from an invading attacker, shot an unarmed Japanese exchange student who was simply lost and looking for help.

The true long-term work of humanity is to raise up our children properly -- not beat them, not abuse them, but rather love them and teach them the courage and strength of good principles. This isn't easy. For many parents, shouting at their children and slapping them across the face are faster, more efficient methods. But being now teaching the second generation of small children to have courage, principles, and simple faith, I much prefer the results of my methods -- slower, more reasoned, more gentle, but not -- definitely not -- weaker.

This is very old-fashioned thinking. And the fact is that many so-called Christians cannot make themselves do this, or even want to do this. They rail against a culture of moral laxity, yet they themselves cannot see the moral relativism of their own politics, where hate is used to incite religious passions, something Christ never did -- NOT ONCE.

They want to teach their children to hate and fear. And to respond with the violence that naturally arises from hate and fear. It has poisoned our society so profoundly, we may not recover. When Conservatives deride the "rotting of the country from within," they don't realize that their bigotry, their presumption of divine righteousness, and their open advocacy of policies that are violent in their effects, though cloaked in deceptively non-violent language of money and innate worth, are fundamental sources of the rot they decry.

I'm not going to flag your comment as abusive because I want lots of people to read it and then read my response. I have lots of work to do today, but it is so important to take the time to refute your flawed reasoning -- too many people are locked into the kind of demagoguery you advocate, to the great detriment of all of us.

For you alone, I say: Find a way to expunge the poisonous hatred that infects you, find a way to feel compassion instead of fear for those around you, find a way to react to life with curiosity and wonder and questioning instead of with anger -- then you have a chance to be happy. There is an old African proverb that applies to you, I think -- "In order to understand the world, you must first go out of your house."

 

by S. E. Hoffman (2 articles, 2 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 2:37:56 PM
 


Don'pigeon hole me or sterotype me
pratliff94Don'pigeon hole me or sterotype me

Thank for this article.

It is well written and well thought out. I have been a senior Pastor forty-five years this year. My first church was a small country church in South Central Oklahoma just north of the Red River.

All through Vietanam and this second Vietnam War we call Iraq I have struggled with pacifism for Christians. I remember the story of Sergeant York and how he struggled with the same question in WW I. York decided that he could save more lives by shooting Germans than he could by not shooting them. I respected his position. At least he was honest to admit there was a needed battle to fight within himself between his Christian life and his civic duty as a soldier.

I remember reading the biography and doing a paper in college on the life Thomas Jonathan Jackson. "Stonewall" Jackson carried a Bible with him, did not drink, did not curse, did not womanize and was known for his impeccable courtesy. I disagreed with General Jackson's stand on defending the South, but I respected him because he seemed to weigh the tension inside him as Sergent York did fifty years later.

I was converted to Christ as a young adult. I began to read about the historical roots of my denomination. I found that we came out of the Reformation at the same time as Luther, Calvin and Zwingli; in fact Ulrich Zwingli and ten young Paris scholars founded what became the head waters of my denomination. They formed the Swiss Brethren from which came such groups as the Hutterites, the Amish and the Mennonites. They were called among others groups, "Anabaptist." My denonimination refuesed to serve or support war until the Revolutionary War. The first minister of my denomination in North America was a man who founded the Colony of Rhode Island by the name of Roger Williams. He was a pacifist and a staunch defender of Separation of Religion and State.

My struggle still goes on within me. Do I wish the "Plot" on Hitler had succeeded? Yes, I do  and I wish it had succeeded in 1936 in place of 1944 when it failied. Do I believe in just wars and the defense of the innocent by the state by violent means? Yes, I do.

The battle within me comes from the role of the "magistrate" in the New Testament and the role of the Chrisitan in the New Testament. They are very different roles, and so different that the Amish and Mennonites and Hutterites will not even pay taxes during times of war.

Romans twelve says it is God Who appoints (ordains) the magistrate "to be a terror to the wicked." The same writer in the same chapter tells us that a Christian can never be violent: we are to love our enemies, we are not to return violence with violence or injustice with injustice; two chapters later, the writer tells us to "not to avenge ourselves, because it is written, 'Vengence is Mine. I will repay says the Lord.'"

You have written a very good article on the "pro" side of pacificism and you have done a good job. The battle, though no fault of yours, still goes on within me. I am much like one of my history professors who like the Mennonites, Hutterites and Amish are still absolute pacificist. As he taught our class in seminary we found out that his son flew an F-16 fighter jet in Vietnam. His son was a Major in the Air Force, a deacon in a church and not a pacifist. We had questions. Here are his answers: "Yes, my son and I have discussed our positions at length. We respect each other greatly."  "No. I have not always been a pacifist, but came to the position after being a tank Commander in Africa, Italy, France and Germany during WW II. I came to the place I felt any killing for any reaon whatsoever was wrong for a Christian. I am much at peace in my position."

I am not at peace in my position, but I lean toward pacifism. Thanks again.

Only By His Grace,

Phil.

by pratliff94 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 940 comments) on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 4:05:08 PM
 


I swallowed the red pill!
HanI swallowed the red pill!

Exactly

First we must dismantle their rule, complete and utterly. They must be brought down and exposed to the bone so the whole world must know what criminals they really are, and then they must rot in jail for the rest of their lives.

And not just Bush and Cheney, all parts of this society which have willingly coorperated with them. I'm speaking of at least 10.000 people over here. And since they are not the architects of this scandal of all scandals, crime of all crimes the ones who ordered them must be found and exposes just the same.

Governing a society must become a completely transparent proces! 

by Han (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 195 comments) on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 8:17:30 PM
 


S. E. Hoffman is a scientist and writer, as well as a musician and classical singer. She has undergraduate degrees in geology and astronomy from San Francisco State University and a graduate degree in oceanography from Oregon State University. She is a geologist specializing in the origin and evolution of the Earth's crust. She wrote the original scientific paper that proposed that life on Earth originated in oceanic hydrothermal vents. Her studies of ancient rocks showed that Earth had an o...

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S. E. HoffmanS. E. Hoffman is a scientist and writer, as well as a musician and classical singer. She has undergraduate degrees in geology and astronomy from San Francisco State University and a graduate degree in oceanography from Oregon State University. She is a geologist specializing in the origin and evolution of the Earth's crust. She wrote the original scientific paper that proposed that life on Earth originated in oceanic hydrothermal vents. Her studies of ancient rocks showed that Earth had an o...

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Well, this really made me laugh!

There is so much fascinating psychological projection going on in the forgoing that it is a little difficult to type without laughing -- not just LOL, but gut-deep, full-roar belly laughing!

Other than laughing, I have no other response. You speak for yourself and yourself only. I speak for myself. You have a right to disagree, but not to insult me. Something deeper and much more resentful and bitter is behind this double comment. Something that I am much too busy to try to analyze. But I definitely have had my laugh for the day!

by S. E. Hoffman (2 articles, 2 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 at 12:51:11 PM
 

 

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