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April 18, 2008 at 12:25:58

A Presidential Debate, Not! Not Debatable Is That We Were Treated Like Brain Dead Chumps

by Sandy Sand     Page 1 of 2 page(s)

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My moderate right wing morning guy took off this morning on the usual rightie talkie-talkie point of:  There’s already been twenty-one debates, we know where they stand, while those on the left  are going after: Better to get all this out now before the conventions and take the right wing’s talking points away from them. 

Yeah, like that’ll ever happen, but more about that later.

Both argument are as bogus as anything the Bush administration has told us about anything.

To the former, this might have been the 21st debate, but how many people were tuned in or gave a rat’s tush more than a year ago when they began?  Only the most hearty and die-hardest political junkies.

Some people are just tuning in, and more will get with the program later, and they do not know where Barack and Hillary stand on the issues.  They don’t know that both their health care plans stink, or that Hillary is Bush/McCain-lite, or that are big differences in how each will handle Iraq and foreign policy.  They don’t know a damn thing about either candidate -- good or bad.

If they do know anything, it’s only the bad, the rumors the outright lies.

They also too conveniently forget that most of those debates had as many as nine candidates lined up in what looked like a never-ending queue of people in search of their quest for the Democratic holy grail of the nomination.

Those line ups amounted to no more than one or two minute sound bite opportunities…there were no in depth debates or discussions of the issues.

On the latter, bringing up trivia that’s been overworked, pounded and pulverized into powder that’s finer than the highest grade cocaine at a debate is not only a ridiculous waste of expensive television time, but laziness  on the part of Stephanopolous and Gibson, but a total insult to the viewers.

That’s besides allowing the agenda-driven question framed by Sean Hannity barge it’s way into the forum.

There’s so much most voters don’t know about either Obama’s or Clinton’s stands on issues, but you can be damn sure -- if they didn’t know before, they know now -- about all the silly stuff that doesn’t mean a drat’s worth of a damn.

It’s the minutia; the garbage; the ‘it doesn’t matter’ details; the lies spread by the right,  then repeated and aired by ABC in the form of questions that they’ll remember. 

They won’t remember any substance, because there was no substantive substance there, there.

They won’t remember that Clinton declared war on Iran or any country that attacks Israel, something the president have the power to do, because the thick-headed, ratings-grabbing, Hannity-echo chambers, Gibson and Stephanopolous didn’t pick up on it. 

No one but Rachel Maddow caught it, and to her credit, has been talking about it ever since.

It’s also a canard of the worst kind to say that airing the trivia now will put an end to it.
No way, no how!

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Sandy Sand began her writing career while raising three children and doing public relations work for Women's American ORT (Organization for Rehabilitation through Training). That led to a job as a reporter for the San Fernando Valley Chronicle, a weekly publication in Canoga Park, California. In conjunction with the Chronicle, she broadcast a tri-weekly, ten minuted newscast for KGOE AM. Following the closure of the Chronicle, Sand became the editor of the Tolucan Times and Canyon Crier newspapers in Burbank. She is currently a guest columnist for the Los Angeles Daily News and contributor to ronkayela.com

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Nice job Sandy.    

We are never going to hear anything of substance either from the candidates or media. Apparently blow-jobs and screwing are much more important to pursue in getting people out of office than genius is for solving problems and getting them elected and keeping them in. We elected a sub-100 IQ, mass-murdering, thieving, sadist and mentally unstable "leader and sadistic, scum-bag as his puppeteer, but to the idiots in the south and the "unChristian Right" it is more important that he did not have an affair.

What a booby hatch brained, centered pack of imbeciles are America's voters. I say we hang the entire 60% of single working women, who were too damned busy chasing Ring-tones and Prada shoes at the mall to vote, and of the wealthy who voted to bolster their bulging bank accounts and support the bigotry by, voting for Bush, of Nader who helped him. Nice job guys and gals, the blood of 1.5 million and counting are on your heads.

by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo (144 articles, 1 quicklinks, 94 diaries, 1201 comments) on Friday, April 18, 2008 at 4:16:17 PM
 


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Margaret BassettMargaret Bassett is an 86-year old, currently living in senior housing, with a lifelong interest in political conumbrums. She hopes to hold out for one more presidential election. Bachelors from State University of Iowa (1944) and Masters from Roosevelt University (1975) help to unravel important requirements for modern communication. Early introduction to computer science (1966) trumps them. It's payback time. She's been "entitled" so long she hopes to find some good coming off the keyboa...

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It was a lemon. Lemonade, anyone?

ABC has their reasons. George and Charlie are hired hands. We could get even, rather than mad. But it would be effective. One thing which they did for me it that I'm going to have my eye on ABC henceforth. Online, of course. I don't want to give them Nielsen points for looking at their advertisers. Although that might come later.

More to the point, a question. How can netroots people of both parties, and any extra parties interested, demand better debates this fall on behalf ot the general election?

by Margaret Bassett (19 articles, 1092 quicklinks, 24 diaries, 606 comments) on Saturday, April 19, 2008 at 9:37:19 AM
 


I am a retired opera singer. I was a leading soprano with the New York City Opera for ten years. I am a strong supporter of Dennis Kucinich and worked for his campaign in 2004. I believe that he is the ONLY honest man in congress. He has been working against this insane war since before it began. I am 72 years old and I have been so frustrated with the media, the Congress and the American people that they don't tell the truth.
CaronomeI am a retired opera singer. I was a leading soprano with the New York City Opera for ten years. I am a strong supporter of Dennis Kucinich and worked for his campaign in 2004. I believe that he is the ONLY honest man in congress. He has been working against this insane war since before it began. I am 72 years old and I have been so frustrated with the media, the Congress and the American people that they don't tell the truth.

Who could ever trust ABC?

We must remember that it was ABC that pulled their own poll when Dennis Kucinich won it handily. Then after another of their polls which he also won, they pulled that one, too and it was never mentioned again. And of course, it was Georgie boy who was at the helm of that fiasco. No number of angry letters to that station made any difference.

That was the end of my watching ABC or, in fact, any of the major whores of the MSM. We are being fed pap and gossip and trivia - anything but the truth about the fate of our country when the next election is over.

The smart people in the country know that the insurance companies will continue to control the health care "industry". There will be no end to the war or wars. There will be no impeachment of the real criminals- the Bush crime family who have commited more high crimes and misdemeaners than we can count. Sex now seems like such a benign thing, doesn't it? And the cry of Congress that impeachment would waste too much time is risable. Or it would be if it weren't criminal. Yes, Congress is also guilty of the crime of denying the oath they took to defend the Constitution. You know, that small document that Sen. Byrd and Rep.Kucinich wave around with such fervor. Or as Shrub says, "It's just a damn piece of paper"

 That damn piece of paper is supposed to protect us from the lunacy of sociopaths like the resident of the White House. Listen up, Congress, do your duty and pay attention to the Constitution. Campain reform would be nice, too. Have you heard that phrase? Where is it written that millions and millions of dollars must be raised from big business lobbyists to be elected to office? And that it should be considered a coup for the candidate to raise that much money?

 It's nauseating for me to read that garbage. Money is supposed to be used for good, not evil. It seems to me that evil is winning. And every candidate is guilty.

by Caronome (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 190 comments) on Saturday, April 19, 2008 at 10:50:57 AM
 


Born in 1929 in Sheffield Yorkshire England. Left school at age 14 and worked as a painter & decorator until I was called up for National service in the British Army. Served in the army untill 1973, then worked as an electronics/radio engineer untill 1984 when i retired. Built a boat and sailed around the Med. for 11 years then sold it in Tunisia, returned to the U.K. then to Florida where I've lived ever since.
douglas kayBorn in 1929 in Sheffield Yorkshire England. Left school at age 14 and worked as a painter & decorator until I was called up for National service in the British Army. Served in the army untill 1973, then worked as an electronics/radio engineer untill 1984 when i retired. Built a boat and sailed around the Med. for 11 years then sold it in Tunisia, returned to the U.K. then to Florida where I've lived ever since.

So right and so wrong.

I have been an observer of politics throughout the world for 65 years and there is one solid fact which is never ever revealed and that is the right wing idioligies are mostly if not always psychopathic. " How can the RIGHT be so Wrong " should be displayed in every school in 6 foot letters with the list of crimes these sociapaths have committed over the centuries.

 Most of them are of very limited intelligence, who but a moron would carry out 9/11 in the fashion it was and hope an intellgent person would believe it.

by douglas kay (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 83 comments) on Sunday, April 20, 2008 at 8:28:36 AM
 

 

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