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September 26, 2007 at 05:43:27

A Child's Guide to US-Iran Relations

by Russ Wellen     Page 1 of 3 page(s)

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There's no denying that Iran is an unsavory state. It funds Hezbollah. Its record on women's rights is abysmal. It hangs citizens -- including gay teens -- in public. Also, new evidence suggests that not Libya, but Iran, was responsible for the explosion of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie.

But, contrary to the administration's claims, no hard evidence exists that Iran ships arms to Iraq. Nor does the International Atomic Energy Agency believe it's capable of developing nuclear weapons in the foreseeable future. While only a fool would put such behavior past Iran, as pretexts for war they're at lest as threadbare as those the administration used on Iraq.

After all, why attack Iran now when we didn't in response to more obvious offenses, such as the hostage crisis, the Marine Barracks bombing or Hezbollah's campaign against Israel in Lebanon?

Recently noted analyst Gareth Porter cited a paper called "Rebuilding America's Defenses." Written in 2000, it served as the Neocons' blueprint for the Bush administration's military policy.

They actually admitted that Iran was "more the status quo power" –- in other words, no real threat. Then why obsess about Iran? It seems, Porter quotes the paper, that it wasn't the nukes so much as the "constraining effect" a nuclear Iran would have on the administration's plans for regional transformation.

They expect to achieve said transformation by means of another Neocon catch phrase. "Regime change" though, as Peter Galbraith writes, is "identified with the most discredited part of the Iranian opposition and unwanted by the reformers who have the most appeal to Iranians." Of course, neither can anyone come up with an example of bombing driving out a country's rulers.

In fact, it would require sending in troops on the ground to usher Mahmoud and the ruling mullahs out. Shades of Operation Eagle Claw (the star-crossed attempt to rescue the American hostages in 1980).

Why did Iran impose the Great Embassy Embarrassment on us anyway? What triggered it, if you'll recall, was our decision to admit the deposed Shah into the US for cancer treatment. But the US and Iran have a longer history.

You remember history. It's that stuff that those who don't remember it should and those who remember it too much shouldn't.

The US and Iran's mutual history –- all history, in fact –- can be broken down to two basic grievances that even a child can understand. In other words: He hit me first and it's not fair.

In 1952, the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (now BP) controlled oil in Iran. At 85% British and 15% Iranian ownership, it sounds like a model for the arrangement the US seeks with Iraq. Worse, the British sought to further leverage their advantage by withholding their financial records from the Iranian government.

In response, Iran's democratically elected Prime Minister, Mohammed Mossadeq, nationalized the company -- just Iran's 15%, though. That didn't stop the United States, which stood to benefit from Britain's hand in the Iranian till, from organizing protests to overthrow Mossadeq.

Once reinstated, our designated despot, the Shah, made his country safe for the West again. Today the administration expects Iranians to accept on faith that democracy will break out in the wake of regime change. But we forget that the rest of the world doesn't have as short a memory as us. It was only 50 years that we nipped Iran's democracy in the bud.

In other words, it's obvious who hit who first.

Unjust as that was, another element of Iran-U.S. relations is even more likely to elicit that plaintive cry no parent is spared: "It's not fair." In the words of Iran's President Ahmadinejad, "Justice demands that those who want to hold talks with us shut down their nuclear fuel cycle program too. Then, we can hold dialogue under a fair atmosphere." [Emphasis added.]

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Russ Wellen is the nuclear deproliferation editor for OpEdNews. He's also on the staffs of Freezerbox and Scholars & Rogues.

"It's hard to tell people not to smoke when you have a cigarette dangling from your mouth."
-- Mohamed El Baradei, Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency

 

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American against War and Violence. Writer, English Teacher, Inventor, Creator of the First Manmade Floating Farm On The Ocean.... My companies name is ACET: Algae Charcoal Ethanol Technicorp. We grow Algae for Oil.
Dom JermanoAmerican against War and Violence. Writer, English Teacher, Inventor, Creator of the First Manmade Floating Farm On The Ocean.... My companies name is ACET: Algae Charcoal Ethanol Technicorp. We grow Algae for Oil.

Yooks and Zooks hook or by crook

 I think Iran should have nuclear power and the bomb, and so should Saudi Arabia. These countries have vast quantities of oil resources. These resources are the envy of the world. The Yooks and Zooks are surely fighting over how to get more bread and butter, for neither cares which side of the slice is jammed. Saudi Arabia and Iran are the richest nations in the world, yet they have nothing as a deterrent against super-powers who have the bomb, while those super powers also lack viable oil resources.

Most of the world looks at the USA as an aggressor nation that has been the only country to use the Atomic bomb, while targeting innocent people in Japan instead of the military. This was a breach of trust, even though the US is credited for ending the war in the Pacific. Americans like to think they stopped Hitler, but it was Russia who ultimately persuaded the Fruher to commit suicide. The Middle East is unbalanced, having only Israel with the Atomic bomb, while they continue grabbing Arab homes and land. No Arab nation can stop them, unless they had a deterrent to stop Israel and the USA.  

Although I stand first to be against nuclear technology and believe the US should dismantle its programs first, the argument can be made that Iran and Saudi Arabia have the right to protect their nations from Superpowers vying for their oil resources. Oil is on the decline in the world. If America provided more money to create alternative energies and made it clear to the Middle East Oil producers they have no need for their Oil, then I think those countries would not be searching for means and ways to protect themselves.

After the Iraq invasion, it made it perfectly clear these countries need the bomb. Bush has been a major blunderer to world security...but I suppose it reflects the same criminal intent they have already committed in the past with Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Most of the world looks at the USA as an aggressor nation that has been the only country to use the Atomic bomb, while targeting innocent people in Japan "instead" of the military.  

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 934 comments) on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 at 9:42:52 AM
 


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Daniel GeeryGeery lived off the grid for 15 years in an earth-sheltered, solar heated home, while his kids learned in school that solar energy isn't feasible. NAPTA hosts a page on Geery's foibles in education, and explains how he got his butt fired from a tenured teaching position. Here's a short clip of his most recent solar contraption; for more on that project, and Geery's contention that the Wright Brothers took a wrong turn, please visit his airship page (hyperblimp.com). Apparently, Geery is the only...

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"If America provided more money to create alternative energies and made it clear to the Middle East Oil producers they have no need for their Oil, then I think those countries would not be searching for means and ways to protect themselves."

If you take a look at the whole of Bin Laden's messages, it appears his primary complaint is that we steal Islam's oil and sell it at "paltry prices."Can anyone in their right mind argue with that? Should not all humans have some daily bread and maybe a little butter? 

Sure we need to focus on conservation, efficiency, and alternatives--which many of us have been arguing for a quarter century or more--but meanwhile, there should be serious revenues flowing back into the countries giving us the oil.

Along with a carbon tax at the well head, to assure that the real users pay the real tab, and help finance the road we need to be on.

by Daniel Geery (26 articles, 55 quicklinks, 121 diaries, 653 comments) on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 at 5:31:50 PM
 


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RE: A grievance?

Sorry friend, but overthrowing a country's democratically elected government and saddling them with a tin pot dictator for 27 years (and unrelentingly supporting him for 26 years of it) just to steal their natural resources seems somewhat more than "a grievance" or an instance of "unfairness" to me. Try an act of terrorism and rape against an entire nation for over 2 1/2 decades, or how about a sociopathological act of aggression to steal from a people who have considerably less? Think about it Russ! And they are "unsavoury"?

When was the last time Iran attacked and occupied a country based on fraud and greed? Give up? But it is they who are "unsavoury" so says Russ! Right Russ? Not the serial belligerents and occupiers currently occupying the White House. No, it is the hapless Mahmood Ahmadinejad, so we are led to believe in spite of not the slimmest specific evidence.

Now Russ tells us that supposedly it is Iran responsible for the Lockerbie disaster. Really Russ? Do you have something to support that statement or are you, much like the president of Columbia University, just using Bush's words?

 

by bramdean (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 at 12:27:22 PM
 


A well travelled and slightly worse for wear 70 year old englishman; widower, several children and grandchildren and a penchant for wondering 'what is the hidden agenda' in almost everything I read. A keen interest in american culture (an oxymoron?) (JOKE!) and politics and an international world view, except where I haven't got first hand experience of the parts of the world I have not visited. Editor of some books about the Qur'an and Islam. teacher of english in little known c...

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ibrahim turnerA well travelled and slightly worse for wear 70 year old englishman; widower, several children and grandchildren and a penchant for wondering 'what is the hidden agenda' in almost everything I read. A keen interest in american culture (an oxymoron?) (JOKE!) and politics and an international world view, except where I haven't got first hand experience of the parts of the world I have not visited. Editor of some books about the Qur'an and Islam. teacher of english in little known c...

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war on Iran

And I see that Joseph Lieberman's bill to attack Iran has just been passed...

Who will stop Bush's cabal from doing just whatever it wants?

A few articles on the Internet, and even hundreds of keyboard 'warriors' posting comments?

Only a Vietnam type 'taking to the streets' will give them pause and put the fear into them to hesitate.

Its different from the Vietnam time, because people do not see the gore and blood and guts on TV - and even the coffins are shipped in during the night with no pictures allowed.

Sleep on America, your fate is practically sealed. Next stop - Marshal Law.

by ibrahim turner (21 articles, 7 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 144 comments) on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 at 5:30:42 PM
 


Russ Wellen is the nuclear deproliferation editor for OpEdNews. He's also on the staffs of Freezerbox and Scholars & Rogues."It's hard to tell people not to smoke when you have a cigarette dangling from your mouth."-- Mohamed El Baradei, Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency  
Russ WellenRuss Wellen is the nuclear deproliferation editor for OpEdNews. He's also on the staffs of Freezerbox and Scholars & Rogues."It's hard to tell people not to smoke when you have a cigarette dangling from your mouth."-- Mohamed El Baradei, Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency  

The Futility of the Keyboard Warrior's Flailing Fingers

"A few articles on the Internet, and even hundreds of keyboard 'warriors' posting comments?"

You're right -- doesn't help. Neither, apparently, does calling your senators, as I did before the Kyl-Lieberman bill came up for a vote.

Also, marching, like the monks in Myanmar, would be water off the administration's back.

The only solution is not an armed insurrection -- hopeless against a government as militarized as ours -- but a willingness for people to put either their livelihoods or their lives on the line to stop another war.

For starters though, more don't-buy-anything, don't-go-to-work days might help. But they'd have to be planned so far in advance to get enough people to reschedule their lives that the administration might have gone to war again.

by Russ Wellen (58 articles, 1029 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 335 comments) on Thursday, September 27, 2007 at 7:38:12 AM
 


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what's the answer?

You're right -- doesn't help. Neither, apparently, does calling your senators, as I did before the Kyl-Lieberman bill came up for a vote.

Also, marching, like the monks in Myanmar, would be water off the administration's back.

 

I think that the lesson of the monks in Myanmar is that the general populace were too scared, until they saw those brave monks putting their lives on the line against a tyranical military regime, which nineteen years ago had shot 3000 people in the last demonstrations. The people were shamed into joining them, but this time they were more organised, no looting or setting cars on fire, and keeping people in check so as not to give the military excuses. It was reported that some of the military were shaving their heads and putting on monks robes to infiltrate the monks to cause violence in order to provoke the military to retaliate. There is a picture of one soldier putting down his rifle and kneeling in front of a monk with the utmost respect. I don't know what happened to him but I guess it wasn't pretty.

In another post I suggested that people write or email all the senators and representatives and all the neocons in the government positions to tell them with masses of letters, that if Iran is attacked there will be a revolution and that (insert name) YOU will be the first to go. I don't think anybody answered that, so I guess, with all the articles lately forecasting that the war on Iran is eminent, that there is now nothing to be done to stop it.

Even Gen Petreaus is visiting the UK gordon Brown to try to keep the british troops in Iraq for the coming onslaught. Bet they have a cute name for it too, like 'shock and awe'. But we've used that one before so it will be something equally impressive - NOT.

I was lucky enough to have been bombed out in the 2nd world war by the germans, lucky in that the bomb did not explode but ruined my grandmother's house, and the next night in an aunt's house, in a bomb shelter under the road, seeing bombs dropping in the park just yards away through the slits between the planks blocking the doorway. I was four years old.

I was spared from seeing blood and guts and body parts or dead bodies at that tender age - think of the Iraqi children in that environment now and they want to do the same in Iran? The Palestinians and the Lebonese know all about that too. Tell me, will Venuzwalia be next or Syria?

America has been harbouring violence for the rest of the world since the 2nd world war in many countries, usually weak, defenceless small countries, and all americans are complicit in that, just like the Germans were complicit in voting for Hitler, and their excuse was 'we were just following orders' is exactly the same conditions for all americans.

And in case you think that I am some nut who hates americans, you are wrong, I have many american friends including the hued ones and I hold my own Uk government accountable for all its colonial past too, like when they rounded up hundreds of indians into a square and machine gunned everyone, during the peaceful non violent civil disobedience uprising in India. and many other instances too many to mention. Holding my government accountable by me is worse than useless because I do not have any power as a single individual, and anyway with more than a million on the streets before the Iraq war, look what my government and Tony Bliar answered to that. We are all screwed my friend and unless Myanmar monks give people some spine and hope, nothing will ever change until we are all dead from Depleted Uraniam dust drifting round the world. I asked, in another article, if the americans want to put radioactive gas in their SUV's, because the attack on Iran will do just that. Maybe that's the plan, get rid of it so the price goes to $300 a barrel for even more obscene profits. end of rant.

by ibrahim turner (21 articles, 7 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 144 comments) on Saturday, September 29, 2007 at 7:55:49 PM
 


A well travelled and slightly worse for wear 70 year old englishman; widower, several children and grandchildren and a penchant for wondering 'what is the hidden agenda' in almost everything I read. A keen interest in american culture (an oxymoron?) (JOKE!) and politics and an international world view, except where I haven't got first hand experience of the parts of the world I have not visited. Editor of some books about the Qur'an and Islam. teacher of english in little known c...

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And in addition...

When the s**t hits the fan, the troops in Iraq will be cut off, and probably slaughtered, and I bet the generals have factored that into the mix. Bloody hypocrites!


And in case you are wondering, Yes I have friends in Iraq, Iran, Saudi and Turkey too, something Americans ought to cultivate too, after all, the people they are about to bomb and have been bombing, you know, the ragheads, are people too.

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I just have to tell you this.
When I was in Istanbul, I was invited to dinner by some rich English speaking young turks who had gone to university in Alabama in the good ol' US of A. One of them told me this story.
When graduates of a USA University were asked 'who was the enemy in the 1991 Gulf war?' they replied, 'Kuwait'. Can you believe it?

by ibrahim turner (21 articles, 7 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 144 comments) on Saturday, September 29, 2007 at 8:13:49 PM
 


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Oh and about those IED's

or whatever they are called. Remember those anonamous military people showing the photgraphs of the shaped explosive devices with the markings in english supposedly made in Iran?

I came across this tidbit recently. In the Nineties the french were having a spot of bother in Algeria and some of the same type of munitions turned up and guess what, they had farsi markings. Which country would make such things, or any munitions come to that, with 'foriegn' markings? Haven't you seen russian weapons and tanks with russian markings? After all, in a panel marked for example, 'lift flap for emergency stop' or something would not mean anything to a russian, so the markings are in russina right? Same for Turks, Uzbeks, Iraqis and Iranians, Moroccans, Chinese etc, give me a break.

by ibrahim turner (21 articles, 7 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 144 comments) on Saturday, September 29, 2007 at 8:25:15 PM
 

 

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