Call me a conspiracy theorist. But when Donald Rumsfeld spoke, in late 2006, to the pentagon propagandists the NY Times recently exposed, he, in opining the loss of both houses of congress to the Democrats, suggested that “the US could benefit from another terrorist attack,” Jason Linkin of the Huffington post reports.
“As documented by Newsvine, it all went down at a valedictory luncheon Rumsfeld hosted for those analysts on December 12, 2006. Many of the "message force multipliers" named in the original New York Times piece were in attendance, including David L. Grange, Donald W. Sheppard, James Marks, Rick Francona, Wayne Downing, and Robert H. Scales, Jr. They were treated to an extraordinary conversation (Newsvine has highlights, the hour-long clip of which can be found here) with Rumsfeld, that included many jaw-dropping moments, such as Rumsfeld admitting that in Iraq, the U.S. "can't lose militarily, but...can't win by military means alone," an agreement that Iraq could use a Syngman Rhee-type dictator (because that's what democracy smells like!), and a lengthy passage where Rumsfeld jokingly offers a bottle of champagne to anyone who could kill Moqtada al Sadr. You sure don't see too many people joking on al Sadr these days!
“But by far the most extraordinary part of this luncheon is the antipathy the gathered members exhibit toward the American people for having the temerity to vote the Democrats back into power. When Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong bemoans the lack of "sympathetic ears" on Capitol Hill, Rumsfeld offers that the American people lack "the maturity to recognize the seriousness of the threats." What's to be done? According to Rumsfeld, "The correction for that, I suppose, is [another] attack."
Now this is just factual information. Why do I start this article by saying, “call me a conspiracy theorist?” Because this slips too easily off Rumsfeld’s reptilian tongue. Too easily because perhaps it’s not at all a new idea. Perhaps it is an idea that, for him, for all the propagandist sell-out generals, this is not new, that is actually, already tried and true.
One of the oft cited premises of the 9/11 Truth movement is that the attack on the towers was the pearl harbor-like event that the neocons anticipated would be necessary to move the US to embrace the aggressive militaristic tactics manifested in Iraq.Here, we have Rumsfeld casually joking about it—not a smoking gun, but, perhaps, a clear “tell” in poker parlance, indicating ready ability to think in these terms.
The hour-long audio clip was found as part of a data dump done by the pentagon, in response the NY Times Freedom of Information Act request.
The Huffingtonpost article reports,
"Less than a week ago, the Department of Defense did a document dump on their program to use retired military analysts as surrogates on network and cable news to pimp the administration line on the Iraq War - something we now know they did on at least 4,500 occasions. Over at TalkingPointsMemo, a thread has been opened for those who want to sift through the material and highlight key discoveries.
"So far, dedicated TPM readers have unearthed a number of noteworthy finds, of which this audio recording of this luncheon is perhaps the most astounding."
My guess is that this document dump might be a rich source of hard date for those interested in pursuing 9/11 truth.
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Bay of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor warning, ...911. Information passes exponentially faster today but it will still be years before the truth comes to light. But the part that troubles me the most is...What happens when it does? Now that we know the bay of tonkin was the purest of bullshit on which we slipped into a deadly and dispised conflict that we are still trying to scrape off our shoes, who has answered for this sin? No one. What would happen if we inequivacably found out that (the least damning theory) the Bush administration had prior knowledge to 911 and allowed it to happen? Would the media report it? Would congress open investigations? Would supeanas blanket Washington DC? Would anyone be prosecuted? Impeached? Hanged for treason? The most horrifing aspect of 911 true movement is not whether or not it's true, it's that it's true and we just don't care....
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erik mouse (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 96 comments)
on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:39:48 AM
Court Cases in the US District Court, Southern District of New York, with Attorney Jerry Leaphart:
**Dr Judy Wood, suing on behalf of the United States of America and demanding a Trial by Jury, has evidence that Directed Energy Weapons were a causal factor in the destruction of the World Trade Center:
Docket No. 1:07-cv-03314-GBD Title: Dr. Judy Wood ex rel. USA vs. Applied Research Associates, Inc. et al. Venue: United States District Court, Southern District of New York Judge: George B. Daniels
** Dr Morgan Reynolds, suing on behalf of the United States of America and demanding a Trial by Jury, has evidence that the Media broadcasted cartoons of an airplane hitting the South Tower:
Docket No. 1:07-cv-04612-GBD Title: Dr. Morgan Reynolds ex rel. USA vs. Science Applications International Corp. et al Venue: United States District Court, Southern District of New York Judge: George B. Daniels
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CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 403 comments)
on Sunday, May 18, 2008 at 8:46:50 PM
A new groundbreaking paper by former Clemson University Professor of Mechanical Engineering, Dr Judy Wood, on weather-related disasters has been published on her personal website: 9/11 Weather Anomalies and Field Effects
The paper details Hurricane Erin, which was east of NYC on 9/11.
A press release regarding this paper has been published as well:
that before this next election there is another 'false-flag" attack. I see no reason for there not to be one and every reason for it.
To start there is no way in hell that these cretins will simply hand-over power to anyone that will even remotely threaten them. And before voices rise that could expose them they will murder many more of us to keep from being exposed. And there is no better way to cower masses than to make them fearful, and what better way to make them such than to have another 3,000, 10,000, or 100,000 of us die from some phantom terrorists?
I give it a 60/40 shot that this election even happens. I give it 99% chance that we'll be attacked before then and a 100% shot that if we are and elections are held, to keep an illusion of democracy alive, that McInsane will become our next POTUS, perhaps with jeb as VP.
I see no reason for this scenario to play out given all the outrageous crimes they've already gotten away with.
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Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 1247 comments)
on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:47:14 AM
"I'll bet good money that before this next election there is another 'false-flag' attack. I see no reason for there not to be one and every reason for it."
I'll accept that bet, if you're interested. A $100 USD wager seems worthwhile to me with loser contributing to OpEdNews.com and Rob verifying receipt of the donation. We would need to work out an agreeable definition of "false-flag" attack and settle upon a due date for the "rapture" to occur. Please let me know your thoughts on this because I'm serious!
However, your somewhat childish remark, "I see no reason for there not to be one...," makes me wonder at the logic you employ in your life. I see no reason why murder should happen, but it does. I see no reason why rape should happen, but it does. I see no reason why hunger should exist, but it does.
These are parts of the human condition and cannot be eliminated. Therefore, to use this type of statement in any thought process is irrelevant, misdirecting, and somewhat like a child's response to why he whacked his sister – "because".
"To start there is no way in hell that these cretins will simply hand-over power to anyone that will even remotely threaten them."
Mr M, I will be the first person on January 20, 2008, immediately following the administration of the presidential oath of office to the president-elect to say to you, "Ha, I told you so!" The Bush administration will leave Washington with grace and dignity on or before that day. That's a promise.
"And there is no better way to cower masses than to make them fearful, and what better way to make them such than to have another 3,000, 10,000, or 100,000 of us die from some phantom terrorists?"
And... (just to name a few) was the US government behind the US embassy bombings in east Africa (1998), Bali bombing (2002), Moscow kidnapping (2002), Madrid bombing (2004), Beslan School kidnapping (2004), and London bombing (2005) - click here ? If not the US, then were these attacks commited by other governments to keep other people's fearful? Using your assessment of the attacks of 9/11, these other events should also be construed as false-flag attacks. The fact that all of these recent events are actually attributed to militant Islam is conveniently forgotten by you and others. Islam, to you, is the victim here not the perpertrator.
Okay, if that works for you, embrace that suck.
But I'll point out that YOUR fear of the Bush administration has removed the more real fear of militant Islam. I know it's difficult for you to grasp such a difference in fears (potential vs. actual) because of your closeness to one of them (President Bush) compared to the remoteness of the other (militant Islam).
However, militant Islam did brush you and all Americans directly on 9/11. This was militant Islam; this was real; and this was on American soil. Mr M, you may not think that the American soil distinction is important, but there's hundreds of Americans who would disagree with you.
"I give it a 60/40 shot that this election even happens. I give it 99% chance that we'll be attacked before then and a 100% shot that if we are and elections are held, to keep an illusion of democracy alive, that McInsane will become our next POTUS, perhaps with jeb as VP."
I'll include in that wager above the 100% likelihood that presidential election WILL occur. The 99% chance of attack – like another 9/11 – before the presidential election is HIGHLY unlikely. I'd give it AT MOST a 10% probability of actually being completed successfully.
"I see no reason for this scenario to play out given all the outrageous crimes they've already gotten away with."
There you go again with that silliness of "I see no reason..." You should work on that one, mate.
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Tom Murphy (3 articles, 3 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 1494 comments)
on Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 9:27:27 AM
Tom, you are calculated, logical, concise, and eloquent. And yet, so foolish. "The Bush administration will leave Washington with grace and dignity" -that one made me throw up in my mouth a little bit. You obviously enjoy 'debating' the 'libs' on this and no doubt countless other progressive sites. As I generally don't believe or engage in fighting on the internet, this particular post of yours has a very appealing idea. I would not take that bet Mr. M referred to as I think it would be unethical to bet on human suffering. But the idea of a bet with the looser contributing to Op-ed is a good one.
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erik mouse (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 96 comments)
on Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 10:02:39 AM
"I would not take that bet Mr. M referred to as I think it would be unethical to bet on human suffering."
Mr M was the person who said (1) he would bet good money on human suffering (2) in the form of a false flag attack (3) with a 99% probability of occuring before November 4, 2008. I'd be remiss if I didn't take Mr M up on this offer, given the unrealistic odds.
But, I did not propose the bet; I merely raised the ante in what may have been only a "dramatic gesture" by Mr M. Regardless, my side of the wager is based upon the fact that there will be NO human suffering, whereas Mr M's side contends the rise of the Fourth Reich AND its associated human suffering.
And regarding the human suffering issue, is it unethical to bet on organized sport events (e.g., boxing, car racing, or football) when there's human suffering involved within these fields? I'm suspecting that there's a PC program associated with this human suffering perspective and not much by way of ethics.
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Tom Murphy (3 articles, 3 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 1494 comments)
on Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 12:08:42 PM
Your arrogant, rude reply had many fallacies. I couldn't stand to read more than half of it, and I'll just mention one: just because 911 is thought to have been a "false flag attack," doesn't mean that every other (and much more minor) terrorist attack is similarly "false flag." I'd appreciate it if you'd mind your manners.
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Lover of Truth (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 23 comments)
on Friday, May 16, 2008 at 12:52:08 AM
Good points, well thought out. I'll add one more possibility. Assuming there is an election, I'll give 60-40 odds that the Right wing henchmen hatch an assassination of Barack Obama, perhaps combined with the faux terrorist attack, for maximum efficiency and dread mongering.
I don't see why they wouldn't assassinate Obama. He is perceived by many to represent a movement. There's nothing the old-money Right fears more than these kind of popular movements. Observe how they responded to Jack Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, and Martin Luther King. "Rabble rousers" who would inflame the middle and lower classes must be dealt with severely. Old Money's very survival demands it. Wouldn't want the peasants to storm the Bastille for God's sake. To them, though unpleasant, these assassinations are morally justified in their minds. They probably say to themselves, "It's either him or me, and I choose him." Thus, "self defense."
Though they are a couple of generations older, the techniques and the will persist and probably will have improved.
Note: the prospects of these types of events actually happening makes me want to puke. I deplore those that commit these crimes against humanity. I am in no way promoting them, and I abhor these types of atrocities.
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Lover of Truth (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 23 comments)
on Friday, May 16, 2008 at 12:42:12 AM
...it wouldn't surprise me in the least if 9/11 was a "false flag" operation perpetrated by our own government, or at least allowed to happen by our own government. This is because the U.S. government has to keep the ponzi scheme that is our monetary system going at all costs.
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Dooglio (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 30 comments)
on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:49:27 AM
brother Kall. Thy tin-foil hat shall be of hammered gold. Now You must store food,buy ammo and construct a bullet-proof armored vehicle from Your VW. Be sure to get the run-flat tires and use kevlar rather than iron plate for weight reduction. Technical assistance is available at 50 pounds of rice per hour, and none of that brown up-your-healthing stuff. Uncle Bens is accepted.
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john riggs (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 379 comments)
on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:53:31 AM
We don't need another 9/11. This administration has used the original 9/11 to have legislation passed, signing statements and executive orders to be unchallenged that allows this administration to declare martial law under the guise of an economic crisis. I keep begging people to not take my word for this but to simply google Bush's executive orders and read them word for word. What he has done with these is horrifying .
I doubt very much that there will be a change in power. Either there will be another 9/11, and/or martial law will be declared under one of the many pretexts he has defined in his executive orders. Do I hope I am wrong? Absolutely, I do.
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Shirley Bianchi (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 88 comments)
on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 11:02:37 AM
I am NOT well schooled in all the minute details of the legal profession - HOWEVER, I DO know that there IS a fine latin descriptive legal term which applies to the behaviors of guilty parties after-the-fact. Guilty people exhibit specific patterns of behaviors.
AND that even a casual observer of the words and behavior(s) the Bushites and neocons since 9/11 exhibit every last symptom down to the finest detail of being totally complicite and quite definitely GUILTY of staging and sponsoring a false flag attack to advance their own agenda.
Some other OEN contributor(s) who does have greater knowledge about the law can probably explain the fine points of this particular legal perspective - I think it should be applied and we should move forward in ALL our dealings with these criminals keeping in mind that we are dealing with a gang of the most selfish, bloodthirsty, psychopaths alive on the planet today. They attacked and murdered, in cold blood, thousands of their neighbors and fellow citizens and they did it all for personal gain.
The truth needs NO extra props to hold it up. It rings true and clear as a bell. Only a lie requires so much shuffling, shucking, jiving and constant piling on of more and more BS to maintain its existence.
The truth WILL be exposed.
History bats last!
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mrk * (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 296 comments)
on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 11:05:03 AM
Personally, I don't think it matters a damn bit what We the People think or what we 'know'. Those in power are going to do what the are going to do and unless and until we collectively get in the street that will continue. And of course, the chances of a majority of Americans doing anything much is somewhere between slim and none. That's collectively who we are, no real sense in moaning about it.
Veteran '66-68
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Roger (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 332 comments)
on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 11:22:04 AM
Rather than slowly boiling we were thrown into boiling water September 11, 2001.
And ever since, every time anyone tried to draw attention to the fact that bush&co has manipulated truth, using Bernays teachings and tactics to make Orwell's visions come to pass, these cretins have placed their greedy, oil and blood stained hands on anyone or thing that would dare expose their heinous crimes and shoved it under until they were sure it was dead.
The villains here really have no match other than in Sci-Fi stories. They are the worse one can even dredge-up from the sickest and most imaginative ever portrayed by likes of Lucas's, Darth Vader or Morgoth was to Earth in Lord of the Rings. All that is missing are "special effects".
Or was that what 9/11 was all about?
But these sick-f#*ks are worse - much worse, they're real and they do things that could never be portrayed in a movie for childrens eyes, nor for any eyes but the most hardened.
Frogs to them though we may be - but not boiled - I'd say Deep-Fried.
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Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 1247 comments)
on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 4:48:13 PM
I do not make this statment to romantisize the 911 truth movement or increase its sometimes obvious sense of self importance. I am rather speaking from personal experience. As I have done with many subjects, I try to explain 911 to freinds and family and often find their responses to be confrantational and sometimes bordering on violent. Thanks to the reverend Wright story I now have a political litmus test I can employ before hitting them with tales of wtc7 and put options. It goes something like this - ' One of the most contraversial statements made by Wright was that by our position on the israeli / palastinian conflict we brought 911 on ourselves. But if you listen to the Bin Laden "confessional" tape he says 911 was done as revenge for our position in the israeli / palastinian conflict, so in effect he was telling the truth' - their reaction is usually a good indicator for their openmindedness towards 911 lore. What I find is that people in general will much rather live in the black and white simplified world view the MSM give them than to think and draw their own conclusions. Worse yet, they often would rather not think at all. And any statements that force them to do so are considered threats. As I stated above, we just don't care. Like santa clause and the easter bunny, the myth gives us the warm and fuzzy feeling we crave. And even as some people may 'know' the truth we dare not spoil it for others.
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erik mouse (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 96 comments)
on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 12:00:14 PM
nice idea mouse, and extreme thank you's to Rob Kall
for this article, and for OpEdNews.com in general- I've donated but i have no connection to opednews.com other than posting here- please donate if you think this site is as worthy as your cable TV and monthly coffee bill
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Better World Order (4 articles, 404 quicklinks, 25 diaries, 874 comments)
on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 12:35:24 PM
"One of the oft cited premises of the 9/11 Truth movement is that the attack on the towers was the pearl harbor-like event that the neocons anticipated would be necessary to move the US to embrace the aggressive militaristic tactics manifested in Iraq."
When circumstantial facts line up far too perfectly - there usually is a connection - the more we collectively learn about 911 the more we realize that there is a cover up of massive proportion. The 911 attacks propelled us because of our collective fear, blindly into war.
But as many have said, there is a collective anger and denial about the attack on 911. For one, everyone "saw" the attack. The cover-up was begun immediately and parroted repeatedly uncritically by the main steam press.
Then, our "objective" journalists put on their flag pins, hired military commanders and stepped in line behind the President while the course of our nation dramatically changed.
We became a nation above the law. We were lied to, and have held no one accountable. We became a nation of torturers and we voluntarily gave up our civil liberties.
I keep thinking there will be weekend rallies all across the country, at every major park and intersection. But no.
Then I think, well, people are busy. But I see the soccer fields, foot ball fields, golf courses etc, packed with people. There's some time.
But I guess as long as we can still put food on the table, and gas in the car even at $4 a gallon - not enough enough people care.
