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July 27, 2007 at 14:02:16
Did Bush Admin Order Tillman Murdered to Silence Him? by Rob Kall Page 1 of 2 page(s) |
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This article is developing. Rather than wait until it is "finished", it will be updated periodically. Click HERE to digg the article. New releases of information suggest that this may have been the case. Tillman, a courageous, patriotic pro football hero was coming out against the war. If he spoke out to the media, attacking the war and the Bush administration it would have been devastating to US support for the Iraq war and the 2004 campaigns of George W. Bush and his Republican supporters. Tillman, if he'd returned home from his tour of duty, only to get on the speaking stump, opposing the war and supporting John Kerry and his Democratic fellow candidates, could have made a huge difference. 
Now, AP, in an article with a strangely weak, non-descript headline article, reports that Tillman may have been intentionally killed. The military has finally released a 2300+ page report which provides what appears, to this writer, to be clear evidence that this coverup went beyond just hiding the fact that Tillman was not killed by enemy fire, but fare worse, horrifically, that he was very likely intentionally killed by US fire and that this crime was then covered up, very likely with the decision made to cover up at the highest levels.
Mostly Ignored by the MSM
Not surprisingly, this huge story is not being given the attention it deserves by the lamestream media. CNN's top story today is drunk astronauts, and of course, the latest drug abusing celebrity. The Wall Street Journal didn't carry the story at all (just imagine what the WSJ will be like once Murdoch gets his hands on it.) Keith Olbermann did jump on it, discussing it with Gen. Wesley Clark.
The New York Times doesn't even cover the AP story, merely noting, in a page 20 brief article, that there weill be demotions. They do have an editorial supporting Henry Waxman's investigation into the role of the Whitehouse in the coverup of Tillman's real cause of death. But they totally ignore the real story-- that there was suspicion of murder and that the military lawyers gloated about covering it up.
The Washington Post doesn't list any reference to Tillman on their websites list of "A" section articles. But at least they list the AP article on their site.
Paul Joseph Watson, commenting on an Associated Press article, AP: New Details on Tillman's Death writes in his article New Evidence Clearly Indicates Pat Tillman Was Executed
"The report also states that "No evidence at all of enemy fire was found at the scene - no one was hit by enemy fire, nor was any government equipment struck."
The article also reveals that "Army attorneys sent each other congratulatory e-mails for keeping criminal investigators at bay as the Army conducted an internal friendly-fire investigation that resulted in administrative, or non-criminal, punishments."
So there was no evidence whatsoever of friendly fire, but the ballistics data clearly indicated that the three head shots had been fired from just 10 yards away and then the Army tried to concoct a hoax friendly fire story and sent gloating back-slapping e mails congratulating each other on their success while preventing the doctors from exploring the possibility of murder. How can any sane and rational individual weigh this evidence and not come to the conclusion that Tillman was deliberately gunned down in cold blood?
The evidence points directly to it and the motivation is clear - Tillman abandoned a lucrative career in pro-football immediately after 9/11 because he felt a rampaging patriotic urge to defend his country, and became a poster child for the war on terror as a result. But when he discovered that the invasion of Iraq was based on a mountain of lies and deceit and had nothing to do with defending America, he became infuriated and was ready to return home to become an anti-war hero.
As far back as March 2003, immediately after the invasion, Tillman famously told his comrade Spc. Russell Baer, "You know, this war is so fucking illegal," and urged his entire platoon to vote against Bush in the 2004 election. Far from the gung-ho gruff stereotype attributed to him, Tillman was actually a fiercely intellectual man with the courage of his convictions firmly in place.
Tillman had even begun to arrange meetings with anti-war icons like Noam Chomsky upon his return to America before his death cut short any aspirations of becoming a focal point for anti-war sentiment.
THere's more-- more in the AP report that makes this look like a coverup of intentional murder. The AP article states,
The doctors — whose names were blacked out — said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.and, as if that wasn't enough,
Among other information contained in the documents:
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re you guys beginning to understand what you're up to? by Han (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 226 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 2:22:53 PM  (0+)
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I believe this story could be true
Can it be that our government is this sick? I believe that there is NO limit to the crimes that are done in our name. For me, nothing less than cleaning out EVERY Congressman/woman who voted for this mess we are currently in is acceptable. ONE rotten apple (uh, that would be President sh*t-for-Brains) is a given, how is it we got an entire barrel of em? by Roger (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 465 comments [22 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 2:27:21 PM (0+)
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Reply: Dont you know ?.
Hey .. when bush ..aka..sh*t for brains .. had his colonoscopy they were really looking in the right place for ..his brain!! So far without success. In his "brain" the left side doesnt know whats right and the right side doesnt know whats left!! by paulocurry (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 20 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 3:48:53 PM (0+)
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Tillman
Until some solider admitts to pulling that trigger stop blambing the soliders.Are you sure Blackwater wasn't around the kill zone? by tjb (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 255 comments [9 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 2:44:56 PM (0+)
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Reply: Did Bush Admin Order Tillman Murdered to Silence Him?
Very likely assassinated by a private contractor hired by the Bush administration. After all there are more private contractors in Iraq than there are US troops. Plus the contractors are not accountable. If caught in any scandal or wrong doing they are sent back the the States, but not prosecuted. by Alan Scher (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 3:17:32 PM (0+)
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Very disturbing
The military, like the civilian population, has people on both sides of the political spectrum. I know there are plenty of gung ho, pro war types in the military, and they would be very upset if someone like Pat was sounding off against the war in their presence. by John R Moffett (89 articles, 18 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 697 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 2:55:08 PM (0+)
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Reply: Who Else Did they Murder
I love how you guys jump all over this story and when us " cry babies" bitched about the election fraud in Flordia and Ohio very few stood up with us because no one believed that something like screwing with the vote or ballots was posiable. How do we stand now. I think in time we're all going to prove our claims but it will be many years down the road. In the meantime their will be a lot of innocent and honest Republican Politicans that will suffer because of the group we have in Washington right now. When it happens we'll hear, " oh he's selling his book". A lot of them will be dead and buried with people putting the hero bit on their name. What I look forward to is the huge amount of money they each will be putting out with legal cost. by drasile (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 77 comments) on Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 9:40:38 AM (0+)
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Counterpoise
This is an almost fitting counterbalance to the Republican charges that HRC and Bill murdered, let's see, who? Hubble? Somebody. I forget. We can use it next year. by jmundstuk (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 3:07:07 PM (0+)
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Thank you for this article
As the mother of a 23-year-old soon to be redeployed, thank you! thank you! thank you! I grieve with Tillman's mother and every mother who has a child in this immoral war. Many coming come back in body have lost parts of their soul. I'm posting a link to this on-going story on my Web site: yorkgrassroots.org There are free Bush-Cheney impeachment postcards for download on my site. They are addressed to the House Speaker. Anyone is welcome to download the pdf file. by grassroots (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 42 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 3:27:17 PM (0+)
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The handling of this case has been atrocious
Intentional murder has been suspected since days within his death. I read about the family's concerns and the military's obfuscation years ago. This would have been exposed and dealt with long ago if only we had a brave, unembeded (to the White House) and intellectually curious media. Shame on all of them with their many resources and mass audience. Now Bush and Company will blow this off like every other criminal act as "old news." by Kathlyn Stone (46 articles, 227 quicklinks, 27 diaries, 690 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 3:48:08 PM (0+)
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Why doesn't the media cover this?
Now, will we be able to impeach? Do you think this would be enough? When do we get to throw them all out on their asses? preferably to jail? Do you want me to contact the media or shall you? There is no doubt in my mind that they are all capable of this crime.When do we see this happen? by Caronome (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 327 comments [15 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 4:06:01 PM (0+)
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Reply: The Media Can Not Cover This
The major TV, Radio, and Newspapers are controlled by the same damn folks that control most everything else. No conspiracy, simply imperialism. Go to my web site, add backdoor.htm to the URL and you're in. I shut the main site entrance due to Executive Order of July 17th. But if you want to see a whole summer of work last year on who controls what, you have only to look. I even provide the links to where I got the information. Those that control these major corporations have a vested interest in starting and keeping the war going until we are reduced to complete economic slavery, as if we're not already there. by Edward Ulysses Cate (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 232 comments [9 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 4:51:34 PM (0+)
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Reply: This Administration Would Do Anything
to further their aims of keeping the neocon right wing radicals in power forever and the American people know it. If we have another "terrorist" attack will Bush declare martial law, cancel the elections and declare himself president for life? He and his cronies have put all the elements in place to silence all opposition. No more Habeas Corpus and the government can seize all the assets of anyone they deem a "threat". Think about it folks. by macdon1 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 113 comments [4 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jul 29, 2007 at 10:12:35 PM (0+)
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ROB, ALL...
PLEASE READ MY APRIL 11 TH COLUMN, PREDICTING THIS, ON OPEDNEWS April 11, 2007 at 18:29:59 http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_professo_070411_was_pat_tillman_kill.htm by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo (144 articles, 1 quicklinks, 95 diaries, 1317 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 4:18:14 PM (0+)
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Reply: Hi Pete
You pretty much nailed it. The “wild” rumors had been there for years. The official story of the patrol breaking into two groups, which then inadvertently came into visual contact at a distance at twilight and engaged not knowing who the other was seemed very much at odds with normal military procedure. by John R Moffett (89 articles, 18 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 697 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 5:03:16 PM (0+)
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Reply: Whew Pete
Like John said, you nailed it. Done any remote viewing lately? by Rob Kall (952 articles, 4177 quicklinks, 374 diaries, 2087 comments [45 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 6:38:23 PM (0+)
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Government? NO. Cabal? YES.
Let's keep this in perspective: It seems very likely that a secret cabal has penetrated and taken the upper hand inside our government and military, a silent coup perhaps. It seems very unlikely that the ENTIRE government has gone over to the dark side. So let's lay the blame where it belongs, with the cabal, whoever they may be. A cabal? Well, it isn't something that just crawled out of the woodwork, it's been in the works for a very long time. Many prominent Americans have dropped "hints" but most of us have ignored them. Even Napoleon recognized the dark side: "Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain." Money buys power, power buys security, security protects the money stream. This is as old as human history. See: "LOBBYIST" Same basic idea. So could Tillman really have been murdered? There would have to be a motive, and money is a pretty good motive. When you (might) cost someone a lot more money than it costs to have you eliminated... well, that's basic economics. Follow the money trail, it's like a rainbow. by Co6aka (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 68 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 4:23:51 PM (0+)
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Reply: C
YOU TOOK NAP'S WORD'S RIGHT OUT OF MY KEYBOARD. RIGHT ON. DID A PAPER ON THE SUBJECT OF FINANCIERS, INDUSTRIALISTS AND SCIENTISTS ALWAYS ENDING UP. WITHOUT A COUNTRY BUT DRIPPING IN CASH AND POSITION. GOOD POST! by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo (144 articles, 1 quicklinks, 95 diaries, 1317 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 4:50:33 PM (0+)
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Reply: Obviously, "money" has nothing to do with it.
Everybody keeps saying "money". Why? Our rulers can simply take all the money they want out of treasury. Who or what's to stop them? Why risk WW3 over it? Why destroy yourself? Did John Dillinger do suicide missions? No. His object was to make money and live to spend it. The notion of "money" and/or "oil" as primary motive simply doesn't make sense. What's happened in the U.S. is that, over the years, U.S. imperialists have built up an imperial presidency; each year ceding more and more power to the Executive at the expense of the other branches. At the same time, the calculating imperialists have woven into our society the notion that the President (and by implication the "government" he represents) can essentially do no wrong...he's almost a deity. From the fairy tales taught in lieu of History in our schools, to the propagandistic "news" and entertainment that bombards us daily, that pervasive theme has been successfully implanted into our culture. And now, bloodthirsty, delusional Jewish supremacist extremists have co-opted this dangerous, pre-existing imperial power structure, are expanding it, and are trying to us it to hammer out a new, Israel expansionist-hegemonist friendly MidEast. These "people" are obviously prepared to murder millions of human beings if need be. 9/11 was nothing; a few thousand people dead...so what? That's nothing to them. The Tillman murder was even less than nothing to them. These "people" are criminally insane "people"...they are as delusional as they are evil. In fact words fail me when I try to describe the evil beings pushing this whole thing. by jpsmith123 (3 articles, 1 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 286 comments [27 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 8:30:01 PM (0+)
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Mixing messages..
The intentional killing of Mr. Tillman, if true, has nothing to do with the war in Iraq and everything to do with the Republicans fearing his voice could cost the Republicans a second term in office. Lets not directly associate Mr. Tillman's possible murder to the "Illegal" war in Iraq as that simply politicizes his murder A SECOND TIME. by Alessandro Machi (13 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 174 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 4:49:13 PM (0+)
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tjb/Alesandro
I saw nothing in the posts or Rob's article that blamed the rank and file military or the war. They all seemed to point to an assassination which anyone could have done: When I served there were looney's in my very company who got into to the death struggles with people in their own company. Criminal behavior is not exempt from being in uniform, but it could well have been a Hit, or a Mercenary envious of him, who knows? We may, but we also may never know the truth unless someone talks to avoid the death sentance. by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo (144 articles, 1 quicklinks, 95 diaries, 1317 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 5:02:26 PM (0+)
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Reply: I was referring to the following quote
The quote Rob quoted I found to incendiary in a partisan manner. by Alessandro Machi (13 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 174 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 7:12:43 PM (0+)
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...not far from the truth...
First thought in MY head when I heard that "Tillman - the Famous, Popular, Successful Football Star Who Gave Up A Lucrative Career In the Very Midst Of It To Go "FIGHT FOR OUR FREEDOM" --- was that 'uh-oh, there's a kid who doesn't know what he volunteered for... because if he LIKES killing innocent people, they'll be using him for RECRUITING purposes ~ OR ~ if he figures out that he's there TO kill innocent people and he decides to TELL the kids at home "Don't enlist, it's NOT what we were led to believe" - then they'll 'HAVE' fragg him and call it enemy fire.... because a football hero might really put a crimp in their recruitment numbers. MANY of the kids who have been refusing to RE-deploy ARE AFRAID TO BECAUSE OF EXACTLY THAT REASON! ...but it's NOT so far fetched as it first appears !!! Read about the SSB... the SUPER SECRET AGENCY that Rumsfeld created, SOOO secret that even Wash Post article re: SSB READ this and you'll SEE FOR YOUSELF that there is VERY GOOD REASON to believe that the "insurgents" and the "bombings" and especially the destruction of Mosques has been largely the work of the SSB - to stir and keep stirred the fighting! I truly believe it's the INTENTION to "de-populate" Iraq as much as possible. What better way than by stirring up a "civil war" ??? This 'SSB' is like the 'SECRET CIA WITHIN the 'regular CIA - that Many believe assassinated JFK. It is ALSO like Hitlers OSS. It is more and more evident that PNACers have blueprinted their fascist plot based on Hitler's. Interestingly, GBH Bush WAS working 'secretly' for the CIA ~ PRIOR to his becoming openly a CIA man and subsequently CIA Director. July 24th 2007 BBC! NOTHING is too preposterous for these people. Since the 40's there has been an enormous amount of secrecy and sculduggery, ACTUAL "Cloak and Dagger" stuff, which was, AND IS, protected by it's very incredulity! Assassinations, Coups, Murders, Drugs, Mafia, Cover-Ups, Undercover, Cross-Undercover, Spying and Dual-Spying and MULTI-Spying ... there's NO END to it! (and you better belive there is a LOT going on under our noses when it comes to "our" Congressmen and the Candidates!!) Do you believe for a nano-second that Pelosi doesn't have some Dark and Dirty ulterior 'reason' behind blocking Impeachment? Do you believe that the Cowardly CONYERS simply 'changed his mind' AFTER the election about Impeachment --- does ANYBODY believe the HORSEPUCKIE that "impeachment would be divisive and there's not enough time for it" ? Ray McGovern reported about Congressman Conyers: ...anyway, it grows obvious to those studying it, that all these fascist/imperialist dreams of Prescott Bush and his cronies which didn't get very far in the beginning, began to REALLY get SERIOUS in the 40's... As they realized how nearly perfect Hitler's plans had been, they began secretly re-engineering them, hatching their own 'think tanks'. They've never been very 'afraid' of exposure, simply because they employed psychology well, and who would believe it, anyway?! They and their plans: HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT! Ever hear of "Operation Mockingbird" ? http://afgen.com/media_control.html Media-control ---food for thought. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird "There is no evidence that the CIA called it this. Cord Meyer said that when he joined the operation in 1951 it was so secret that it did not have a name." The deeper we dig into the skullduggery the more perposterous it all seems.... and the more clearly we see what Evil Genius's these hideous men are. Bush & Cheney MUST BE IMPEACHED.... but it won't 'stop' there! They have embedded their people in every agency, department, office of OUR government. It's PURGE now or FOLD to FASCISM.
PS~ beware of hillary!
by mary-ann (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 55 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 5:29:19 PM (0+)
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Tillman intentionally shot - a comment
So, the doctors examined Tillman, and he had three M16 rounds to the forehead, in a tight grouping. Some observations/suggestions: 1. Yes, with an M16 this could happen, much more easily than with a higher caliber. The M16 has almost no recoil, so the first shot will not cause the barrel to rise. 2. M16 bullets (at least in the old days) are designed to tumble when they enter, so that they do the most amount of damage. Nevertheless, there should have been some remnant of the bullets in his head. 3. Among all the other things they did, have they done a ballistics test on the bullets/fragments found during his autopsy? 4. Among all the other things they did, did they make any effort (since they DID know he was shot by someone close to him) to match the bullets ballistically to any of the other M16s in his unit? It must be pretty easy to determine who shot him. That could tell us something about what the scenario was. 5. The most significant point of those mentioned is that no other people or equipment was shot, belying any claim that it was a friendly fire incident. It could have possibly have been an accidental triggering of an M16 which had its safety off, but that is highly doubtful, since he was shot in the forehead, which implies the shooter was aiming at him. An accidental pattern in the forehead? Don't make me laugh. Among Rangers? Hey, these are the top echelon, professional people, and mistakes are not made. These are Green Beret, Navy Seal level people, not some draftee types who don't know how to handle their weapons. by SteveGinIL (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 13 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 5:43:09 PM (0+)
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Don't forget. . . .
These were not some rookies out there. These were "Stargate SG-1" types - the top of the heap, highly trained, Green Beret types. Rangers are tough mo-fos, and they know how to handle their weapons safely. No recklessness or carelessness can be attributed here. They are disciplined, disciplined, disciplined. I even don't credit that Tillman said to someone to "stop their sniveling". You don't have dumb asses along on a Ranger operation. Who are they trying to kid? And why would they be sniveling? "No evidence at all of enemy fire was found at the scene - no one was hit by enemy fire, nor was any government equipment struck." Yet, there is this in the AP article: -- In his last words moments before he was killed, Tillman snapped at a panicky comrade under fire to shut up and stop "sniveling." Either there is enemy fire, or there isn't. They can't have it both ways. by SteveGinIL (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 13 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 5:55:48 PM (0+)
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Are you kidding?
There is strong evidence that this administration was in some way responsible for the murders of over 3,000 innocent people to further their political agenda. Same with the Anthrax attacks. We've watched them lie us into a war that has killed nearly one million people. And you're asking if they'd silence Pat Tillman to keep him from raining on their parade? Take it to the bank. And just wait till you get a look at what they have in store for us in the future. Hell has been unleashed and it's here to stay. by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 6:55:04 PM (0+)
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More likely Tillman was killed by a fanatic in his unit
I think the notion that higher levels of BushCo would have gotten involved in a speculative murder is basically crazy. At that time there was no way for them to anticipate Tillman could actually become a serious nuisance, and if they really believed it likely, they had much easier and safer ways to dispose of him. Basically, all they would have needed was to arrange for him to be discharged on less than honorable terms, thus undermining any future criticism he might make. However, if he really was turning against the war in Iraq, then I can imagine some of the fanatics deciding to frag him. Easy for his 'buddies' to gun him down when some suitable opportunity presented itself. That could even explain the attempt to make it look like he had died a hero and a martyr. There's no question that there was a crime at higher levels, but it makes more sense to think it was a reactive crime of laziness rather than a much more insane crime of premeditated murder based on a vague possibility of future problems. As I see it, the higher ups had some superficial evidence that Tillman died a hero, which seemed fine with them, so they tried to go with the flow. by shanen (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 7 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 7:27:11 PM (0+)
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Reply: You're assuming ...
Your judgement that it would be insane for higher-ups to get involved with the goings on of a single soldier protesting the war is based on assuming we have sane people in high. It is here that your argument falls apart. I would submit that the people we have in high office are not only insane, they are criminally insane. Past evidence has shown that they have no problem with micro-managing revenge against individuals who dare to challenge them. Ask Valarie Plame and Joe Wilson. The recent subpoena for Michael Moore. The firing of attorneys that aren't "loyal bushies". But these are minor examples compared to the massive Election Fraud and the the murder of over 3,000 people on 9/11. Once you realize that 9/11 is indeed an inside job, Pat Tillman becomes a foregone conclusion. by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 8:27:15 AM (0+)
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Tillman Murder
I think that maybe he was killed because he was an atheist. lending more credence to your theory: without enemy fire, why was the guy he was next to hugging the ground, begging for god's help??? A mystery - yes? by Shelly Gold (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 7:55:47 PM (0+)
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Oh you liberals...
always coming up wiht wild conspiracy theories... Obviously Tillman could handle the pressure, started taking drugs, was on a bad trip and committed suicide by shooting himself three times in the head -- and then, in a fit of madness, he burned his clothes and body armor! (Couldn't help myself... -- maybe I'm channeling Rush...) Before you can work it down you have to work it up -- who knew he might blow the whistle on the war and told his superiors, who told their superiors, and so forth? How high would it have to go and how would such a 'suggestion' be passed down the line -- or to a spook with a sniper rifle? Just what would the 'logistics' have to be? Burned his clothes and armor???? What would they show? by Blue Pilgrim (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 997 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 8:25:01 PM (0+)
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No Surprise
I know that Tillmans execution was ordered by the neo-war-cons. Tillman could have rallied America to stop the war and impeach Bush. The administration simply couldn't allow it. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that knows whats going on with the New World Order agenda. Great article! by J. Vorhees (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 67 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 8:53:00 PM (0+)
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Till may not have been "executed", but
Questions abound: by Vigilante (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 8:53:50 PM (0+)
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Reply: here's another question:
where, exactly was he killed? Was the body moved? Again -- why burn the clothes and armor? was there something on them? It's weird. by Blue Pilgrim (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 997 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 9:12:11 PM (0+)
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From JFK To Tillman
Interesting that some of us ask why the MSM doesn't "leap" on this story. Past history should be a guide here. They didn't "leap" on the possiblity of a conspiracy in the JFK murder, or the MLK murder, or the RFK murder, or the convenient Wallace shooting in 1972. The past is coming back to haunt us in the form of this totalitarian, Fascist government, hell bent upon achieving its goals--total control; total power. That Pat Tillman's diary was destroyed is an MO we've seen before: Oswald's strange writings; Sirhan's self-incriminating writings; the attempt by Howard Hunt and his CIA thugs to plant or find a diary of Wallace's shooter. Sounds all too familiar. The coroner's report that RFK's fatal shots were fired very close to his skull; that Tillman's wounds were neatly placed--all accidents, of course, performed by one deranged Lone Nut. As General McAuliffe said to the Germans when they demanded the surrender of Bastogne in 1944: "Nuts!" by Tom Sciamanna (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 25 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 9:36:06 PM (0+)
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Was there an order? Very possible as most have posted.
I agree with much of what most of you are saying, but as the tears roll down my face, and I watch another young American of 18 lose his life, I wonder is there a God? I think Pelosi has demons, unfortunately so does anyone who does not want to impeach. Tonight I watched Bill Moyers and he had a couple of experts on discussing the situation in Iraq. They spoke about soldiers who kick their boots off in the Mosque, the illiteracy of our soldiers of Islamic culture. He went to Florida and Mississippi Universities and spoke to students who are all for the war, as long as it doesn't hit America, and seemed to be ignorant about anything. None of these college students felt they had any reason to serve in the Armed Forces, but yet they think that the Iraq War should just be won. It's a sad state of affairs in this country. by dsgarvin (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 10:10:08 PM (0+)
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Was Pat Tillman murdered?
I don't belive we'll ever find out if Pat Tillman was murdered or not. Just as we'll never know the real truth about what happened on 911. You're certainly not going to hear anything from this reticent Main Stream media! Too many people are profiting off of the blood of these brave soldiers. And don't forget as Bush pointed out, "This is a different kind of war." (brought to you by GE) You are either with "Us" or you are with the terrorists! Apparently Mr. Tillman was angered by what he was seeing in Afghanistan, and the metaphorical Al Qaeda and hence was seen as not being on the same page as "Us" and so "Us" had no further use for Mr. Tillman and sadly, he more than likely was silenced. America's now knee deep in fascism. It is indeed time for change. What is needed are massive marches, at least several million strong. How much more of this mendacity must we take? The question remains whether enough Americans will awaken to this fascism and demand change? I believe radio talk show host Thomn Hartmann could be correct in saying that "It might have to get a lot worse before we begin seeing any change in this country." And how long will this take? Will it be before or after Martial law! by Munich (1 articles, 86 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 1125 comments [86 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 10:17:51 PM (0+)
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Pat Tillman
First may i say we have a bunch of Loonies in the white house. i served this country in the vietnam war. i was there twice. a total of 32 months. yes there is accidental deaths. or friendly fire. we all wish they would never happen. i know what combat is. it is not very pretty. George Bush as far as i am concerned is a complete flunkey. this man has no conscience. i dont know how he can go to bed at night knowing all the people who died under his presidency. our brave young men and women in uniform have to suffer under this IDIOT. i know dick head Cheney run's the white house. George Bush is to stupid to hold any kind of office. THESE CLOWNS DID NOT SERVE THERE COUNTRY IN THE 1970'S during the vietnam war. they as far as i am concerned are yellow belley cowards. i had 12 of my best friends die in vietnam. bush had his father pay his way into the Texas air national guard. and then this idiot was A.W.O.L in the national guard for 4 months. Cheney got 5 draft deferments. he wasgoing to college. this other idiot failed and dropped out. THESE ARE THE TWO MORANS THAT WE HAVE IN PUBLIC OFFICE. our democracy and country has gone to hell. the make a mockrey out of america. there ambition is to help the wealthy like themselves. they have made millions of dollars on this war. they need to both be IMPEACHED, but congress and the senate dont have enough BALL'S to impeach these two.its time for the people of america to take action. every state in the union should demand that there state senate and representatives act to draw up impeachment documents to impeach these two. the politicans will not do it. we the people must do it. ifnot america is going to realy be in deep trouble, with these two moron's for 18 more months.i dont know what George Bush has to hide with Pat Tillman's death? mat be he did have something to do with Pat being killed? i dont know if we will ever find out. i respect Pat Tillman for serving his country. a real hero. a man with Guts and glory, just like all combat veterans. HE GAVE HIS LIFE FOR HIS COUNTRY. this is Bushes war. he started it. he should go to war along with his two daughters, and all other wealthy people's sons and daughters. THEY LIVE IN AMERICA TOO. LET THEM SERVE THIS COUNTRY. THEY ARE NO BETTER THEN THE REST OF US POOR AND MIDDLE CLASS. by vincent passiatore (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 185 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 11:48:48 PM (0+)
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Custers' last stand, was an "Intelligence op"
In his case, the local tribe of Indians were armed by the local "Arms traffickers of their day," with the latest in weaponry. We all know that the result was the end of Custer's plan to run for the Presidency. Tillman was a naive, but good hearted fellow, who was planning on speaking out about the crimes of our Fiend elite. Lets face it; what we are dealing with is nothing more than a band of Contract Murderers. Though in their behalf, the government itself is nothing more than an old fashioned Extortion Murder racket, this one run at the Behest of the nuclear war fighting international members of the Merchant Murder class. The nuclear war fighting part is what it seems that we should really be focusing on. Pat Tillman and your good heart and concern for victims of our war criminal elite, Rest in Peace. Your kindness shall not be forgotten. . by Patrick (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 519 comments [22 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 11:49:56 PM (0+)
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career rise = arse's kissed
My oldest friends son is a Capt. in the Marines and the word is that the only way to rise in rank is to smooch deeply. I mean, Really? Some day soon, or far off, we will know the truth and shocked we will be. Never underestimate peoples capasity to deny. Seems America is suffering from "career fear". Like putting "career" above integrity. I know! I know! got to feed your family, situational ethics huh? by davy (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 240 comments) on Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 3:38:57 AM (0+)
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The Predator Drone In The Mix
Of course it was a murder. Tillman, the poster boy for Bush's war was going to come out against it, was communicating with Noam Chomsky and was planning a meeting upon his return from what he understood to be a "f*cking illegal" war. The predator drone flying around during the killing indicates that the assassination was being watched. This is the one thing that would assuredly bring down the Bushreich because the sanction for such an action would have had to come from the highest levels. Moribund Americans would be outraged because THIS one involves a celebrity and an NFL player and could potentially trigger an impeachment faster than if Bush would have had his dick in someone's mouth when he lied about the WMDs. by Ed Encho (12 articles, 20 quicklinks, 65 diaries, 438 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 7:50:35 AM (0+)
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The truth will never come out.
The truth of this matter will never see the light of day. First of all the despot in The White House will use all his power to get the loyal members of his Gestapo to block anything that would inform the masses of what really happened. Second of all the Democraps in Congress will only hold go nowhere investigations because they do not want their constituency asking why they sat on their useless behinds and let this hoax be perpetrated by the administration’s spin doctors. Tillman was murdered plain and simple. We will never know who ordered the hit and who actually did it. We will also never how many others have suffered the same fate at the hands of Bush and Company. by walley (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 108 comments) on Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 9:58:31 AM (0+)
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Tillman
Push, push hard the light will overcome the darkness.Hitler thought he had it all figgered out too.I protest every tuesday w/ creative signs.Just a few weeks ago I pulled the rotten abu-ghrab photos off the net.Made a nice collage on 8 X 11.5 took it to color copier to blow up The $50 quote bacame $100 Woke some people up there.Now had a 3' X 5' sign which i took to 202 and 413 at 6 in the morning.. People driving out of the fog got a wake up call.One truck driver went ballistic throwing things ,hit me and the sign.Then took it to Doylestown for the 6 to 7 vigil.Kids where asking their parents WHAT'S THAT?They had some splaining to do.Woke some people up there. by tjb (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 255 comments [9 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 12:00:30 PM (0+)
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Nailed it Rob
Thanks for getting right to the heart of this.Clark's statement just about sums it up. A coverup like this comes from the top, not from a mid level general. Well, whose on top? I saw the headline, read the article and realized - that's it! All the more reason to get rid of this clown and assure that any criminal activity is unearthed and punished. Thanks! by Michael Collins (130 articles, 20 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 484 comments [42 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 12:03:09 PM (0+)
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Reply: Clark Olbermann video
Wesley Clark On MSNBC: "Possible" Tillman Death Was Murder, Cover Up Came From Very Top The transcript is here by Bleeding Heart Liberal (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 48 comments) on Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 2:21:26 PM (0+)
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US GOVERNMENT APPROVED ASSASSINATIONS
For those who say "Impossible" and others interested in how far the executive branch of our government will go and has gone to achieve its secret goals, read Legacy of Ashes by Tim Weiner, a Pulitzer Prize winner. These are crimes for which there is no self-proclaimed immunity. Let the chips fall where they may. by Alden Mason (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 29 comments) on Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 2:20:07 PM (0+)
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three shots to the forehead
An interesting point about it being three shots: the M16A2 no longer fires full auto, but three round, easier to control bursts. I saw this on the History Channel 4 or 5 years ago. by Richard Girard (28 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 59 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 3:48:41 PM (0+)
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L. Fletcher Prouty on the Assassination Business
Another insider account on the dark underbelly of the American empire and the way that things are really done: An Introduction To The Assassination Business http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/introAB.html Hope the link works by Ed Encho (12 articles, 20 quicklinks, 65 diaries, 438 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 6:00:24 PM (0+)
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Tillman Murder
The U.S. government has assassinated at least dozens of people and more likely hundreds. It's nothing for it to have aircraft shot down, Trujillo of Panama being an obvious example. Their is also the JFK assassination although controversial. Assassinating Tillman would be childs play. It is a REVERSE FRAGGING when the officer corp assassinates an enlisted man like Tillman.If Tillman were to become an anti-war advocate it could mean $billions in lost revenue to the military contractors, like G.E. which owns NBC, for instance.This would be a cause for his assassination, follow the money. by Swami Bogananda (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 38 comments) on Sunday, Jul 29, 2007 at 7:43:48 AM (0+)
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Rob's Article
Just to let you know Rob that it took until today to get to this article. Either your server was busy or ??. In the spring of 2004 nobody would believe me, or any many U.S. friends who wrote of the downfall of demcracy. It is good to hear the voices, now becoming a choir. After having several of my good friends in the U.S. exile themselves, and serveral others suddenly "disappear" you have all my wishes that it will be stopped. You are aware that the "oil deal" was signed a short time ago with Iraq. It is no surprise that a sudden death becomes grounds for suspect today. As a note there were several laws put into force by "exective order" in Canada as well. Free speech is gone and to prove their point my condo was sold by the Federal government here, leaving me with no place to live or work, since they had already taken all my savings I had put away. Good luck Rob and all the writers to whom I give my support and love. Keep it up and perhaps most citizens in the U.S. will begin to pay attention. I put hyperlinks to opnews on a blog under an odd name and have encouraged others in the remains of the free world to do so. May the gods bless you. I will keep in touch from time to time after a hiding place is found. Dennis by IwasJulius (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 31 comments) on Sunday, Jul 29, 2007 at 11:42:17 AM (0+)
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