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December 9, 2007 at 08:04:10

Headlined on 12/9/07:
Mortgage Industry Insider Says the Mortgage Mess is Far Far Worse than You Suppose

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Straight Talk on the Mortgage Mess from a Mortgage Industry Insider, as featured at MarketWatch, 12:11:23 PM, December 6th, 2007.

    Even before this mortgage mess started, this insider with 20 years experience in the mortgage industry kept saying that this is going to get real bad. He kept saying this was beyond sub-prime, beyond low FICO scores, beyond Alt-A, and beyond the imagination of most pundits, politicians and the press. When he was asked why somebody from inside the industry would be so emphatically sounding the alarm, he simply replied, “Somebody’s got to warn people.”

    Since then, Mark Hanson has spent most of his career in the wholesale and correspondent residential arena, primarily on the West Coast. So far he has been pretty much on target as the situation has unfolded.

    His current thoughts, which I urge you to read, follow a short introduction, the first part of which is a synopsis of the New Road To Serfdom article in the May 2006 issue of Harpers, written by Michael Hudson, who saw what was coming:

    "Although home ownership has been a wise choice for many people, this particular real estate bubble has been carefully engineered to lure home buyers into circumstances detrimental to their own best interests. The bait is easy money. The trap is a modern equivalent to peonage – a lifetime spent working to pay off debt on an asset of rapidly dwindling value.

    Most everyone involved in the real estate bubble thus far has made money. But all that is about to change. The bubble will burst . . and when it does, the people who thought they would be living the easy life of a landlord will soon find that what they really signed up for was the hard servitude of debt serfdom.

    Many home owners are spending tomorrow’s capital gain today by taking out home-equity loans. For families whose real wages are stagnant or falling, borrowing against higher property prices seems almost like taking money from a bank account that has earned valuable dividends. New home-equity loans added $200 billion to the US economy in 2004 alone.

    The problem is, home-owner debt is about to surpass the size of America’s entire domestic product. And in growing numbers of housing markets around the country, home prices seem to have reached their peak, and in some places are already in decline.

    Even Alan Greenspan stated home prices had “risen to unsustainable levels,” and would have exceeded the reach of many Americans long ago . . if not for “the dramatic increase in the prevalence of interest-only loans” and “other, more exotic forms of adjustable–rate mortgages that enable marginally qualified borrowers to purchase homes at inflated prices.” If this trend continues, Greenspan said, homeowners and banks alike “could be exposed to significant losses.”

    The second part of this introduction is extracted from the World Socialist Web Site at http://wsws.org:

    "The New York Times recently reported that Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson’s former firm, Goldman Sachs, began unloading its mortgages and mortgage-backed securities late last year when subprime defaults began to soar. But the top investment bank continued to package and sell securities backed by subprime mortgages, marketing $6 billion worth of these securities in the first nine months of 2007.

    Those who were hustled into taking a subprime adjustable-rate mortgage were assured that they would be able to refinance their loans before the reset rates—generally 30 percent higher—kicked in two or three years later because the market values of their homes would have significantly risen in the interim. But the collapse of the housing market and sharp decline in home prices has left many of these borrowers owing more than their homes are now worth.

    Seeking relief for banks and big investors

The motivation behind the discussions is the growing alarm on Wall Street and in Washington over the potentially catastrophic financial implications of the accelerating housing slump and related crisis on credit markets. The proposals under discussion are calibrated to avert (at the least possible cost to the banks and big investors) a collapse of major US banks and other financial institutions that could be triggered by spiraling home foreclosures.

    In essence, the scheme is aimed at containing the home foreclosure epidemic sufficiently to shield the major financial institutions from the full consequences of years of rampant speculation, accompanied by accounting manipulations that concealed the immense levels of risk behind the soaring profits and gargantuan salaries reaped by Wall Street executives.

    Were the plan implemented, it would allow holders of mortgage-backed securities to put off marking down their assets.

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OK now I have a headache

Frankly economics is beyond the ability of my poor old brain though I suspect the term "voodoo economics" could be dredged up. I am not affected by this situation, being old and having a home paid off...Finally a benefit to old age!

 I knew, when the kids started buying homes of their own, that these sour smelling mortgages they were being offered were a terrible idea and I warned them to bite the bullet and suffer through the first year or so of home ownership with a more conventional loan ( Daddy helped a bit).

Bottom line here is that this mess is a symptom of a greater ill, perhaps two. Firstly we are seeing the result of unbridled capitalism coupled with the creativity of those seeking to grind out a bit more profit every quarter. This is the result of number two, the unwillingness of the American public to seek to rein in these out of control, and definitely in control of our government, unchecked greedy corporate entities.

We the people are the ultimate deciders, to borrow a crappy phrase. We the people have been seduced by easy credit with difficult results, we have been swindled in one respect but it is we the people who have allowed the swindle to continue. Almost fifty percent of our electorate ( those who bother to vote) voted twice for George Walker Bush whose 'hands off my rich buddies' philosophies have continued our economic slide down this greased pole.

I am no economist by any means but a fool could see the danger in these bundled and sold mortgages from a mile off.Where is the fiscal soundness when you can offer something risky and then get rid of it at a profit before the thing collapses of its own lack of soundness?  I guess we are short of fools these days? A few multi billion dollar companies will go south, a few CEO's will march off to early retirement with huge golden parachutes and wind up somewhere else with another enormous salary and life style and the merrygoround will continue to spin....why, because you and I are too happy with our IPods , DVD's, IPhones and crappy made in China garbage at cheap prices and high interest rates to care much.

I wont be selling apples on the corner, will you?

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Sunday, December 9, 2007 at 9:56:48 AM
 


I live in the heart of America, and am haunted by the saying:
"Evil succeeds because good men do nothing." by Edmund Burke.

Albert Einstein had another way of saying it:
"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing."

So I do what I can.

Edward Ulysses CateI live in the heart of America, and am haunted by the saying:
"Evil succeeds because good men do nothing." by Edmund Burke.

Albert Einstein had another way of saying it:
"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing."

So I do what I can.

You bet it's far worse . . .

Yes, these people should not have received those loans. And the other bottom-feeders making the loans should not have preyed on other bottom-feeders. Our economic system could have easily handled that, IF that was all that had happened. However, there's much more to the story.

What ISN'T said is how corrupt it was for investment banks to loan 8th, 9th and 10th mortgages on that 1st mortgage. No, they don't call it that. They call it "leverage." It's all the damn promises, on top of promises, that are collapsing because the bottom promise collapsed. I know I'm preachin' to the choir here, but the majority of the public only listen to the Fox News version.

The sociopaths who control the investment banks had the credit rating agencies [whom they also control] "determine" that these 10th mortgages were "AAA-rated securities." The GreatRedDragon.com website documents who controls what, so you can understand who's really doing what to whom.

An old book, "The Green Felt Jungle" focuses on the early development of Las Vegas. It describes how the Teamsters Pension Fund had 2nd, 3rd and 4th mortgages on casinos and hotels. When the 1st mortgage wasn't paid, obviously all the rest of the paper promises became worthless.

Now we have hedge funds, investment pools, all leveraged up to what one could call a 10th mortgage. And now the holders of those "AAA-rated 10th mortgages" find themselves in the same plight as the old Teamsters Pension Fund under Jimmy Hoffa. No wonder Jimmy was "erased."

That's why all hell is now breaking lose, economically speaking. What sickens me is the fact that the final holders of these empty promises are pension funds of school teachers, firemen, policemen, and other hard-working honest citizens, who deserve better.  And that's why they're not talking about this on Fox News.

by Edward Ulysses Cate (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 217 comments) on Sunday, December 9, 2007 at 9:58:49 AM
 


Sculptor of stone, Activist in the fields of 911 Truth, Stop the NAU, and Illegal Immigration.
JoannSculptor of stone, Activist in the fields of 911 Truth, Stop the NAU, and Illegal Immigration.

By design

All good points made above.  It appears there is a plan to create a 2 tier system in the US, the haves and the have nots.

  It appears that this implosion is by design, just as the nearly 10 trillion of national  debt.  Add to that, the administration's encouragement of illegal immigration and H1B visas bringing down average pay levels for citizens, and importing slave labor trinkets and noxious food products.

It would be interesting to know how many of those mortgages were given to legal and illegal immigrants ... Welcome to Amarika.

by Joann (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 45 comments) on Sunday, December 9, 2007 at 10:46:32 AM
 


Proudly a 2004 Kucinich delegate
serryjwProudly a 2004 Kucinich delegate

...Missing one big point.........

UNFORTUNATELY, NOTHING IS GOING TO HELP THE SITUATION. I love the way they try and fix something AFTER the fact. We all knew this was going to happen 2 years ago. I am so sorry for most whom thought they were buying a piece of the American dream.....what a nightmare. Remember, it's not only they are losing their homes but they are STILL responsible for the short fall if the bank can't sell the house for what the mortgage was & THEY can't declare bankruptcy because of last years bill.....NOW, take this one step further. IF the prior owner carried back a 2nd, they ALSO are f*cked. NOW, what happens WHEN THEY were counting on the 2nd house payment to MAKE THEIR house note? A Total domino effect will take over. Their are so many neighborhoods that have been blighted. The remaining homeowners own a house worth very little.

by serryjw (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2 comments) on Sunday, December 9, 2007 at 12:23:09 PM
 


Mike Folkerth is the author of "The Biggest Lie Ever Believed" and is not your run-of-the-mill author of finance and economics.

The former real estate broker, developer, private real estate fund manager, auctioneer, Alaskan bush pilot, restaurateur, U.S. Navy veteran, heavy equipment operator, taxi cab driver, fishing guide, horse packer and few jobs too embarrassing to mention, writes from experience and plain common sense.

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Mike FolkerthMike Folkerth is the author of "The Biggest Lie Ever Believed" and is not your run-of-the-mill author of finance and economics.

The former real estate broker, developer, private real estate fund manager, auctioneer, Alaskan bush pilot, restaurateur, U.S. Navy veteran, heavy equipment operator, taxi cab driver, fishing guide, horse packer and few jobs too embarrassing to mention, writes from experience and plain common sense.

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Far Deeper

Excellent article. The housing crash is merely a symptom of a far deeper issue...the U.S. economy is not failing, it failed some years back. The U.S. is broke. As other posters so rightfully pointed out, the debt is both unmanageable and irretrievable.

Residential housing is unsustainable as a basis for any economy, but, when a 1% interest rate on FED funds was ushered in in June 2003, it was a last ditch effort to revive a dying economy. Sustainability or harm to the populous was never a consideration.

Housing caught fire when interest rates reached the 5% level, grew on itself and the rest is history. It was cruel fix even for government standards. Nothing more than a short sighted pyramid scheme that has now played out early. Why? Wages didn't inflate as originally planned. It's called stagflation, inflating prices and stagnant wages.

Is the worst yet to come? Bet your bottom stagflated buck on it.

by Mike Folkerth (120 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 566 comments) on Sunday, December 9, 2007 at 12:37:55 PM
 


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Housing is a part of the economy

Not to diminish the value of what you stated, Mike, it is quite an accurate portrayal. However, with a GNP of over ten trillion, we are far from insolvent. While our debt load is staggering and the interest rate on that load is enormous, who is going to foreclose?

It is only to the benefit of our largest lenders that our economy remain stable and "healthy", though health is a rather ambiguous term, healthy to the lender may not be perceived as such to our working class, who will certainly suffer in the short term.

Remember that the Reagan legacy involved debt load of over a trillion dollars yet Clinton balanced the budget and even paid down a portion of that load. We are not up to our noses in alligators, not quite yet.

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Monday, December 10, 2007 at 7:28:54 AM
 


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Global Derivatives Market Expands to $516 Trillion

www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aM.Dn6UPbtfs&refer=worldwide

 As Glenn Ford noted, this may be the real reason for the numerous Fed bailouts, and the pretense that the credit meltdown is a "subprime" problem. 

Considering all the US historical precedents, does anyone believe that an old-fart like Greenspan didn't know this was bound to happen? And he encouraged everyone to keep getting ARMs, just before he began steadily raising rates.

A broker might encourage his clients to buy w/ an 80/20 ARM, or cashout refi and live large, as values are gonna keep going up; that's a microcosm of what the Fed banks were doing in collusion with Wall Street to the American People. They've overstepped it with their greed, if we go into another Great Depression, it's going to be ingrained in the American psyche for a long time, if not permanently- this time around we have the Web, and huge numbers of the People are being exposed to real info, not just the spin the corrupt elites want us to believe. 

Look at these quotes from former Presidents on banking and tyranny:

 “Unless you become more watchful in your States and check this spirit of monopoly and thirst for exclusive privileges, you will in the end find that the most important powers of Government have been given or bartered away, and the control of your dearest interests have been passed into the hands of these corporations.”

 “If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.”                                                                                                                       -Andrew Jackson

“The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Government’s greatest creative opportunity. By the adoption of these principles… the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.”                                                                                              -Abraham  Lincoln

 "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."       

“When the government fears the people, there is liberty.  When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.“                                                                                     -Thomas Jefferson

“History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by  controlling money and its issuance.”

 “If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy”

-James Madison

 

by Better World Order (4 articles, 416 quicklinks, 27 diaries, 881 comments) on Sunday, December 9, 2007 at 2:43:34 PM
 


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Dave KisorDave Kisor was an Aviation Electrician, USN / USNR, starting in 1971, working on A-4F Skyhawks & A-7E Corsair 2s ashore and afloat on the USS Hancock & USS Coral Sea. AA Speech Communications, the BA and MA in Geography and presently working for the US Forest Service as a Physical Science Technician. It's not just an adventure, it's a job. He's politically & progressively Green, and owned by his magnificent cat, The Empress Panthera.

Bursting bubble syndrome

When Billy Joel wrote Allentown, it was supposed to have been a wake up call, but we as a nation hit the snooze button and went back to sleep.  The United States of America has virtually no industry, so how can anyone believe our money is worth more than the paper on which it is printed?  I'm reminded of the time when I was in the Reserves and some of the guys in the shop were bragging about what they had on their credit cards.  They worked for big aerospace corporations and laughed at my tiny little amount like it was nothing.  This was around the time Northrop and Grumman merged and McDonnel Douglas was gobbled up by Boeing and I know some of them found themselves wishing they had my little bit of credit debt, as many of them were laid as a result of those mergers.  Most of them were paying off houses.  Cess pool la vie!  And don't believe that 90 day credit protection insurance, as finding a job that will cover subsistence and that debt is practically impossible in under 90 daze.  Any bets on when people will start jumping from buildings like they did in the crash of 1929?  Will the sharks in San Francisco Bay go hungry?  Stay tuned!

by Dave Kisor (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 135 comments) on Sunday, December 9, 2007 at 6:19:05 PM
 


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truthtruffleBetween jobs, passions are motorcycles, music, and green-tech

Mortgage mess is a pit they dug for themselves

My view is, they created this problem, and I hope they profit by it or

whatever, no hard feelings, just you won't be seeing MY signature

on stupid mortgage papers anytime soon. I think the last 3 years or

so of history on the issue of property, real estate marketing, lending

practices, property taxes, all go to illustrate that you Really Don't Want

Your Name on that stuff, not unless you ARE flush with cash in one of

those 200k/yr jobs, in which case you can probably just save for 3

years and buy it outright.

 

But, suffice it to say, there's been way too much speculation.

I know of a property that cost 50k, bare dirt, with water. Add

30k mobile home, value now 300k? No, I'm sorry, someone's

smoking dope, or worse.

 

Tent, 400 dollars....

by truthtruffle (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 94 comments) on Sunday, December 9, 2007 at 8:25:43 PM
 


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vincent passiatorei am retired military veteran. i served over 25 years in the Unites States Army. i retired in 1983. i served in the vietnam war. a total of 27 months in that war. i also retired from Boeing aircraft. i am 68 years old. i live in texas. iwork out on my treadmill each day. i am married. i like politics. but i dont like what is going on in our government. we need a better government with politicans that answer to the people of america. after all this is our government. ( we the people) according to...

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mortgage mess.

Inew this was going to take place over three years ago. ant time a republican takes office you can kiss your behind good bye. we the people have to blame ourselves. republicans have always been for the filthy rich. now even the democrats can not be trusted. they are just as greedy.  When Bush took office he gave away Bill Clinton's surplus of billions of dollars to most wealthy people in america. (that money could have helped all middle class and poor people. now look at what he and all C.E.O..S OF big corporations are doing in america. The problem is that Corporate America controls our government. THE GOVERNMENT IS BOUGHT AND PAYS OUR POLITICANS BY CORPORATE AMERICA. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE LET OUR GOVERNMENT SLIP AWAY. WE ARE AT FAULT. it will continue until we the people take our government back. (I ASK WHEN WILL THIS HAPPEN?????) we are now faced with a government and corporate america that is completely out of control. THIS MORTGAGE MESS WILL COME BACK TO THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA. IT WILL BE THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA WORKING TO PAY BACK THE LOSS OF MONEY TO THE MORTGAGE INDUSTRY. just like happened with the savings and loan's years ago. THE WEALTHY IN AMERICA GET AWAY WITH ANOTHER SCHEME TO SCREW ALL OF AMERICAS PEOPLE. NEXT WATCH THE STOCK MARKET. THIS IS NEXT, AND RIPE FOR THE PICKINS. bush wants people to beleave the economy is great? look at most people working are sales people and clerks or in the fast food industry. what at $6.50 a hour. ALL OF AMERICAS TECHINICAL AND INDUSTRY POSITIONS HAVE BEEN OUT-SOURCED TO OTHER COUNTERIES. THATS WHAT I THINK. WHAT DO ALL OTHER AMERICANS THINK? OR CAN THEY THINK.

by vincent passiatore (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 166 comments) on Sunday, December 9, 2007 at 11:19:04 PM
 


Mike Folkerth is the author of "The Biggest Lie Ever Believed" and is not your run-of-the-mill author of finance and economics.

The former real estate broker, developer, private real estate fund manager, auctioneer, Alaskan bush pilot, restaurateur, U.S. Navy veteran, heavy equipment operator, taxi cab driver, fishing guide, horse packer and few jobs too embarrassing to mention, writes from experience and plain common sense.

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Mike FolkerthMike Folkerth is the author of "The Biggest Lie Ever Believed" and is not your run-of-the-mill author of finance and economics.

The former real estate broker, developer, private real estate fund manager, auctioneer, Alaskan bush pilot, restaurateur, U.S. Navy veteran, heavy equipment operator, taxi cab driver, fishing guide, horse packer and few jobs too embarrassing to mention, writes from experience and plain common sense.

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Vinnie

First things first, I'm politically homeless, have been for years. If we continue to argue over which party threw Middle America under the bus, we never accomplish the change necessary. Bill Clinton did balance the budget, but how? He actually increased the budget, a lot. He also raised taxes and used massive amounts of entitlement money to cover the increased spending.

Outsourceing? Bill Clinton passed NAFTA and joined the WTO in back to back years. Ronald Reagan ran the national debt from $900 Billion to $2 Trillion in 8 years. George Bush ushered in a war that is never going to end. Hillary Clinton supports it and the Democratic congress doesn't have the guts to stop it.

There are no good guys. So long as we take sides, we lose.

by Mike Folkerth (120 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 566 comments) on Monday, December 10, 2007 at 8:48:48 AM
 


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I am puzzled

Not to diminish the gist of what you stated, it is mostly accurate. I have, in a past much more legal, solvent and stable, invested in the second mortgage market. I was always paid before the first mortgage, even in the event of a bankruptcy, forclosure and lien sale. While this was not an area one should invest if she couldnt absorb a total loss, that never ever happened, quite the contrary, I was always paid off before the holder of the primary mortgage.

We live in interesting times......

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Monday, December 10, 2007 at 7:21:44 AM
 


Mike Folkerth is the author of "The Biggest Lie Ever Believed" and is not your run-of-the-mill author of finance and economics.

The former real estate broker, developer, private real estate fund manager, auctioneer, Alaskan bush pilot, restaurateur, U.S. Navy veteran, heavy equipment operator, taxi cab driver, fishing guide, horse packer and few jobs too embarrassing to mention, writes from experience and plain common sense.

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Mike FolkerthMike Folkerth is the author of "The Biggest Lie Ever Believed" and is not your run-of-the-mill author of finance and economics.

The former real estate broker, developer, private real estate fund manager, auctioneer, Alaskan bush pilot, restaurateur, U.S. Navy veteran, heavy equipment operator, taxi cab driver, fishing guide, horse packer and few jobs too embarrassing to mention, writes from experience and plain common sense.

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Just not so

Ardee, SECOND means exactly what it says. You are second in line to be paid. 1st also means exactly what it says. The only superior lein to a first deed of trust, is a tax lien (of course).

 I'm not sure what you had invested in, but it is possible under some mitigating circumstances to persude a lender to subordinate their postion, which could have been your case.

I have held a brokers license for more than 20 years. 

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ardee D.My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
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aside to Mike

You are of course correct. I had forgotten the exact conditions of this venture as it happened quite some time ago ( my eldest son's first business dealings with seed money from Pop). One phone call gave the truth to the actions, that he had given his dad false assurances...he was in good hands though, my first cousin was an NYC real estate lawyer, and we both made enough dough to pay for a college education for his firstborn, my first grandson.

He went on about buying seconds and thirds and then foreclosing, gambling that the bidding would outstrip the investment....glad this was far in the past, doubt Id go for it now.....again the profit was tidy and he has gone on to make far more money than ever did his dad....takes after his grandpa, a money minting achine, me Im a semiliterate.

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 at 7:16:53 AM
 


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Richard ClarkSeveral years after receiving my M.A. in social science (interdisciplinary studies) I was an instructor at S.F. State University for a year, but then went back to designing automated machinery, and then tech writing, in Silicon Valley. I've always been more interested in political economics and what's going on behind the scenes in politics, than in mechanical engineering, and because of that I've rarely worked more than 6 months a year, devoting much of the rest of the year to reading and writ...

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Jesse' on the job!

AMY GOODMAN: The nation’s housing crisis has been called the biggest immediate threat facing the US economy today. Amidst growing unease, President Bush announced a plan last week to freeze interest rates for some homeowners facing foreclosure. But critics say the plan’s strict guidelines will leave out the most vulnerable. The Center For Responsible Lending says Bush’s plan will only help about 7% of subprime borrowers, or about 145,000 families.


A subprime loan offers borrowers a mortgage, but at a disproportionately high rate they often can’t afford. The subprime market has fueled a record one million foreclosures this year, with an estimated two million expected in 2008.

A growing coalition of housing and civil rights advocates are calling for federal intervention to protect homeowners from foreclosures. Today, those calls are coming to the hub of the lenders and investors behind them. Demonstrators will gather in the heart of Wall Street for a march dubbed “Save Our Homes—Fight Home Foreclosures, Defend Our Economic Rights.”

The Reverend Jesse Jackson and the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition have helped organize today’s march. Rev. Jackson joins me now in the firehouse studio, just blocks from where he’ll lead the rally at noon today. Welcome.

REV. JESSE JACKSON: Thank you very much. This is indeed a huge economic crisis. It is sinking banks around the world. Goldman Sachs has a two trillion dollar-plus impact. It’s put us into a long-term economic recession. So we’re not just saving the home borrowers; we’re now saving the entire economy.

AMY GOODMAN: Who’s at fault here?

REV. JESSE JACKSON: The bankers who precipitated and abused the subprime loan—what was a scheme became a scam. The rationale at first, Amy, was that for people who had low credit scores—sometimes artificially low, I might add—this was a way to get them loans. But this was abused rather quickly. You have evidence of redlining and targeting and steering; targeting seniors, for example, who are on fixed incomes, and to refinance beyond their ability to pay, sometimes not giving them good information about escrow, where they pay on the interest but not pay on, you know, taxes and insurance, that type of thing, and taking seniors from—the predators take your home; the vultures buy you out.

But by now—I was in Prince George’s County this weekend. 13,100 folks in one county, impact of $3 billion loss in value—it’s the size of the entire county’s budget. It’s a big deal.

 Read more:  http://www.democracynow.org/

by Richard Clark (21 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 68 comments) on Monday, December 10, 2007 at 10:09:25 PM
 


Mike Folkerth is the author of "The Biggest Lie Ever Believed" and is not your run-of-the-mill author of finance and economics.

The former real estate broker, developer, private real estate fund manager, auctioneer, Alaskan bush pilot, restaurateur, U.S. Navy veteran, heavy equipment operator, taxi cab driver, fishing guide, horse packer and few jobs too embarrassing to mention, writes from experience and plain common sense.

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Mike FolkerthMike Folkerth is the author of "The Biggest Lie Ever Believed" and is not your run-of-the-mill author of finance and economics.

The former real estate broker, developer, private real estate fund manager, auctioneer, Alaskan bush pilot, restaurateur, U.S. Navy veteran, heavy equipment operator, taxi cab driver, fishing guide, horse packer and few jobs too embarrassing to mention, writes from experience and plain common sense.

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Ardee d

I would certainly hope that you wouldn't go for this again. This scam that you are speaking of is a common one that is employed when lots of people are in lots of trouble, buying second and third mortgages at deep discounts and then taking advantage of the folks who are down by filing simultaneous foreclosure filings.

It makes the predatory lending scam of today look honest in comparison.

Thanks for providing the disclosure. As we often say, "The devil's in the details."

by Mike Folkerth (120 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 566 comments) on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 at 7:43:52 AM