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March 25, 2008 at 21:57:46

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The People Are Wiser and More Constant than Princes

by Niccolo Machiavelli (Posted by Rady Ananda)     Page 1 of 2 page(s)

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In the Public Commons: The Historical, Political, and Diplomatic Writings of Niccolo Machiavelli, 1498-1532, Four Volumes, translated from Italian by Christian E. Detmoid (Boston, J.R. Osgood and Company, 1882).

(Kindly forgive the sexism.)

In Vol. 2., Chapter 58 is found in the Discourses on the First Ten Books of Titus Livius (Book One):

Chapter LVIII.

Titus Livius as well as all other historians affirm that nothing is more uncertain and inconstant than the multitude; for it appears from what he relates of the actions of men, that in many instances the multitude, after having condemned a man to death, bitterly lamented it, and most earnestly wished him back.

This was the case with the Roman people and Manlius Capitolinus, whom they had condemned to death and afterwards most earnestly desired him back, as our author says in the following words: “No sooner had they found out that they had nothing to fear from him, than they began to regret and to wish him back.” And elsewhere, when he relates the events that occurred in Syracuse after the death of Hieronymus, nephew of Hiero, he says: “It is the nature of the multitude either humbly to serve or insolently to dominate.”

I know not whether, in undertaking to defend a cause against the accusations of all writers, I do not assume a task so hard and so beset with difficulties as to oblige me to abandon it with shame, or to go on with it at the risk of being weighed down by it. Be that as it may, however, I think, and ever shall think, that it cannot be wrong to defend one’s opinions with arguments founded upon reason, without employing force or authority.

I say, then, that individual men, and especially princes, may be charged with the same defects of which writers accuse the people; for whoever is not controlled by laws will commit the same errors as an unbridled multitude. This may easily be verified, for there have been and still are plenty of princes, and a few good and wise ones, such, I mean, as needed not the curb that controlled them.

Amongst these, however, are not to be counted either the kings that lived in Egypt at that ancient period when that country was governed by laws, or those that arose in Sparta; neither such as are born in our day in France, for that country is more thoroughly regulated by laws than any other of which we have any knowledge in modern times. And those kings that arise under such constitutions are not to be classed amongst the number of those whose individual nature we have to consider, and see whether it resembles that of the people; but they should be compared with a people equally controlled by law as those kings were, and then we shall find in that multitude the same good qualities as in those kings, and we shall see that such a people neither obey with servility nor command with insolence.

Such were the people of Rome, who, so long as that republic remained uncorrupted, neither obeyed basely nor ruled insolently, but rather held its rank honorably, supporting the laws and their magistrates. And when the unrighteous ambition of some noble made it necessary for them to rise up in self-defence, they did so, as in the case of Manlius, the Decemvirs, and others who attempted to oppress them; and so when the public good required them to obey the Dictators and Consuls, they promptly yielded obedience.

And if the Roman people regretted Manlius Capitolinus after his death, it is not to be wondered at; for they regretted his virtues, which had been such that the remembrance of them filled every one with pity, and would have had the power to produce the same effect upon any prince; for all writers agree that virtue is to be admired and praised, even in one’s enemies. And if intense desire could have restored Manlius to life, the Roman people would nevertheless have pronounced the same judgment against him as they did the first time, when they took him from prison and condemned him to death.

And so we have seen princes that were esteemed wise, who have caused persons to be put to death and afterwards regretted it deeply; such as Alexander the Great with regard to Clitus and other friends, and Herod with his wife Mariamne. But what our historian says of the character of the multitude does not apply to a people regulated by laws, as the Romans were, but to an unbridled multitude, such as the Syracusans; who committed all the excesses to which infuriated and unbridled men abandon themselves, as did Alexander the Great and Herod in the above-mentioned cases.

Therefore, the character of the people is not to be blamed any more than that of princes, for both alike are liable to err when they are without any control. Besides the examples already given, I could adduce numerous others from amongst the Roman Emperors and other tyrants and princes, who have displayed as much inconstancy and recklessness as any populace ever did.

Contrary to the general opinion, then, which maintains that the people, when they govern, are inconsistent, unstable, and ungrateful, I conclude and affirm that these defects are not more natural to the people than they are to princes. To charge the people and princes equally with them may be the truth, but to except princes from them would be a great mistake. For a people that governs and is well regulated by laws will be stable, prudent, and grateful, as much so, and even more, according to my opinion, than a prince, although he be esteemed wise; and, on the other hand, a prince, freed from the restraints of the law, will be more ungrateful, inconstant, and imprudent than a people similarly situated.

The difference in their conduct is not due to any difference in their nature (for that is the same, and if there be any difference for good, it is on the side of the people); but to the greater or less respect they have for the laws under which they respectively live. And whoever studies the Roman people will see that for four hundred years they have been haters of royalty, and lovers of the glory and common good of their country; and he will find any number of examples that will prove both the one and the other. And should any one allege the ingratitude which the Roman people displayed towards Scipio, I shall reply the same as I have said in another place on this subject, where I have demonstrated that the people are less ungrateful than princes.

But as regards prudence and stability, I say that the people are more prudent and stable, and have better judgment than a prince; and it is not without good reason that it is said, “The voice of the people is the voice of God”; for we see popular opinion prognosticate events in such a wonderful manner that it would almost seem as if the people had some occult virtue, which enables them to foresee the good and the evil.

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Mark Sashine is an engineer and a writer. Working hard in trying to love and understand the new country he has to live in.
Mark SashineMark Sashine is an engineer and a writer. Working hard in trying to love and understand the new country he has to live in.

The first and last real professional political scientist

Niccholo Macchiavelli was a genious of truthfullness, a truly first and last political scientist. All the think tanks now stink  compared to him. In the Santa Croche Basilica in Florence where he is buried  the epitaph says, 'No words..'

BTW, it is symptomatic that he is buried close to the most fiery Italian hero, revolutionary and committed agnostic (!) Ugo Foskolo. Truly the soul of Italy they together.

by Mark Sashine (37 articles, 19 quicklinks, 221 diaries, 3072 comments) on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 7:58:54 AM
 


Rady Ananda is a self-employed researcher, trained and experienced in legal investigations, and holds a BS in Natural Resources.  She has been studying election integrity issues and investigating election records since November 2, 2004, contributing research, analysis and public outreach materials to the public domain. She has conducted parallel elections, signature audits and has participated in official recounts. "A vote on the machine is a vote for the machine." All material offered here is ...

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Rady AnandaRady Ananda is a self-employed researcher, trained and experienced in legal investigations, and holds a BS in Natural Resources.  She has been studying election integrity issues and investigating election records since November 2, 2004, contributing research, analysis and public outreach materials to the public domain. She has conducted parallel elections, signature audits and has participated in official recounts. "A vote on the machine is a vote for the machine." All material offered here is ...

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Can't wait to learn more

I just started reading him - having heard of Machiavelli most of my life. I am surprised to learn (so far) that "The Prince" is not advice in amoral ruthlessness, but comment on how succesfful monarchs retained power (perhaps with amoral ruthlessness).

This should prove to be an interesting course.

by Rady Ananda (56 articles, 166 quicklinks, 17 diaries, 387 comments) on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 8:45:58 AM
 


Mark Sashine is an engineer and a writer. Working hard in trying to love and understand the new country he has to live in.
Mark SashineMark Sashine is an engineer and a writer. Working hard in trying to love and understand the new country he has to live in.

very

His political essays as well as his play 'Mandragorah' are the jewels of the highest order. 'The sad Machiavelli coveted a pure dream,' said one Italian poet about him and that he was. His life was full of sorrow.  But if there was someone whom we can call a true father of logical understanding of what it means to  manage societies, that was him and  his principles had been so far working, no matter what the consequences.  It was not a cynicism but rather a deep love of the people which guided him and  that love is something all the current pundits miss. He loved his Italy. The current pundits love only their own pockets. They are pathetic.  Niccholo would call them ' rats'.  We live in the times of the abundance of rats while  the light of the giant is so tough to see.

Good luck

It would be hopefully interesting for you to know that one of the best minds of the 19th Century,  French writer Stendhal   considered Niccholo as  something  extraordinary and studied his writings extensively. So did many other people who really understood that he should be studied in the same way as other masters of Italian Renneisance, like Da Vinchi or Raphael.

by Mark Sashine (37 articles, 19 quicklinks, 221 diaries, 3072 comments) on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 9:38:46 AM
 

 

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