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February 3, 2008 at 11:59:03

Clinton-Obama: Ticket of Inevitability

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Almost one year ago I made a bet with a friend that the final Democratic ticket would end up being Clinton/Obama, and so far I have not seen anything that alters that prediction.

Since I am a dedicated progressive, this ticket does little to excite me. To a point.

We have the opportunity to elect the first woman POTUS. It ought to be a moment of unrivaled enthusiasm. Except I have difficulty overlooking a first term in the US Senate where she spent more time with the GOP caucus as with her Democratic collegues. I have difficulty overlooking the warmongery, the votes for the Patriot Act, the excessive defense spending. Not to mention her willing participation in the erosion of our civil rights as Americans.

What's the alternative?

We have the opportunity to elect the first african-american POTUS. In ought to be a moment of unrivaled enthusiasm. Except that I do not get inspired by flowery rhetoric and professional speechmaking. Other than the fact that we have another opportunity to elect an african-american, the inspirational part escapes me. I was a delegate and volunteer for Jesse Jackson in 1988, so I've seen a truly inspirational leader in action.

For me, deeds and a plan are far more important than rhetorical skill. I have a difficult time overlooking what is in fact an unremarkable record in the Illinois State Senate, and two undistinguished years in the US Senate. Where's the qualification? In Jesse Jackson, the Democratic Party had a candidate that could move masses through action and deeds, as well as rhetorically. You can't eat a speech, and words don't create jobs. And when a candidate for POTUS from the Democratic Party begins rally's and speeches with blatant religious grandiosity, my eyebrow goes up. The First Amendment is an important part of what makes Democrats NOT like Republicans.

Both Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama are caretakers of the corporate structure, and very few, if any, of their policy positions differ from one another in any meaningful way. In a very weird way, they are far far more alike than not.

The other alternative lurking about is obviously, Ralph Nader and/or Ron Paul. You would think that the 2000 election provides enough reason to avoid going down that road again.  No matter how well intentioned, and truly progressive, Ralph Nader is.

Ron Paul just gained his first double digit victory of the season. In Maine. Where they reported near record low Republican turnout. When is this just going to end?

That leaves only one dark, and disturbing alternative left. Mitt Romney/John McCain. Is this what the angry mob really wants? Really? Because that is precisely what could happen. For anyone to suggest that there is no difference at all between the two sides, no matter WHAT our personal feelings toward Clinton and Obama are, needs to get a clue.

I take very little solace in knowing that in the end, this is what we will be looking at. During the past few weeks I have made calls from coast to coast talking to an incredible array of people. There is a tsunami building across the country, and it is aimed directly at the forhead of the GOP. The losses the Repugs face in Congress will be legendary, and that will be the opportunity for true reform.  That is where the real heavy lifting to create a progressive future for our country will be.  The potential majorities in both bodies will leave any remainging GOP sirens irrelevant.

What the leadership in the House and Senate do with those majorities, whomever they are, is an argument for another time. The point is, crushing the Republican Party, neoconism, supply side voodoo economics, unbridled corporatism, and all the rest of the unsavory laundry list that makes up that party's crimes is far more important than our own personal, individual feelings. Let us worry about progressive purity next year, when the scourge of right wing demogagery has been flushed down history's toilet.

There are a host of reasons to shake one's head over how our political system selects its leaders. Or doesn't. The stakes are just too high. We must end the war, we must confront global warming, we must start creating jobs and reforming our economy, we must keep fighting to enact universal single payer health care. So many musts.

A Clinton/Obama ticket has the potential to be a juggernaut that unites the Democratic Party and energizes voters to destroy the right wing neocon movement once and for all.

It seems to me, no matter what misgivings we may have about Hillary and Barak, its a damn sight better than more right wing Republican rule.

And that, it seems to this progressive, is something we should all agree on.

 

Graduate of Hamline University St. Paul MN in International Relations and Political Science.

 

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George Bush: the best reason not to believe in intelligent design.
kanawahGeorge Bush: the best reason not to believe in intelligent design.

Clinton-Obama ticket

A comment about them is caretakers of the corporate structure.  In today’s politics, that is the way it is, or you will not get any farther than Edwards did.

Even worse is the probable Republican offering, McCain.

 This election is definitely going to be the lesser of the evils, on matter who runs for either party.  Although, anyone will be an improvement over the thing we have now.

 

by kanawah (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 60 comments) on Sunday, February 3, 2008 at 6:46:31 PM
 


Life long Republican conservative until about 2001 when I woke up and became an independent moderate convervative.
tginmnLife long Republican conservative until about 2001 when I woke up and became an independent moderate convervative.

No way will Obama join as a VP to Hillary and Bill

I think Obama would be better off to get Edwards to run with him.  I will NOT vote for Hillary and Bill. I am not thrilled about Obama but he would be a lot better than McCain the 100 years in Iraq Prez.  I would rather vote for Mitt over the Clintons.  If it turns out to be Hillary vs McCain I will vote for a third party candidate.

by tginmn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 46 comments) on Monday, February 4, 2008 at 12:03:00 AM
 


I am a college graduate, a loyal patriot of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, a person whose convictions and pessimism drive my thought invoking others to think, and enjoy some politcal debate. I like truth even if it doesn't set you "free" in this US of A any longer. I am a liberal.
I do a bit of painting mostly in Acrylic. I do a bit of poetry writng mostly inspired by tragic thought. I do a ton of reading, mostly online. I speak straightforwardly and don't plan on changing. It's wor...

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shirley reeseI am a college graduate, a loyal patriot of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, a person whose convictions and pessimism drive my thought invoking others to think, and enjoy some politcal debate. I like truth even if it doesn't set you "free" in this US of A any longer. I am a liberal.
I do a bit of painting mostly in Acrylic. I do a bit of poetry writng mostly inspired by tragic thought. I do a ton of reading, mostly online. I speak straightforwardly and don't plan on changing. It's wor...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Hill and Obama,

were sitting together whispering frequently at a dinner about 2 yrs ago. I saw it on CSPAN and I believe the dinner was for new incoming senators. When I saw them so close and nestled at the Large table with all the other Senators, I thought, why those two sitting together? The camera showed them. I had no control of that camera. Cspan was filming and I observed.


When they had that "friendly" debate, I knew my intuition hadn't failed me and now, I see it is finally a topic, even on Fox News. Ha. Imagine that?
Then I hear all of you posters and people around the country accepting that ticket, that outcome, because, well, "it's better than McCain/Romney" or something to that affect.


Im saddened that we have just given up to these corporate media choices and big money pawns. We sound hopeless and ready to let tyranny be the guide and we become those permanent slaves of corporate mindset.


Obama and Hillary's health coverage will require mandatory PURCHASE. Recall how well that has worked out with mandatory CAR insurance? People are in jail for habitual offenses of no insurance in my state. Who really prospers with their type of health coverage? Right again, the Insurance companies. I mean, SICKO woke people up but apparently, no one paid attention to the fact Moore endorsed Kucinich's single payer. Single payer cuts the profits of the Insurance companies and big Pharma. Hillary's and Obama's were the worst plans between Edwards, Kucinich, et al.
I was uninsured for 20 yrs prior to the final out cry the last 5 years of admitting 47 Mn ppl don't have healthcare. I'm am absolutely Certain, that number is low; furthermore, no one mentions the 87 Mn UNDERinsured.


What I didn't do the last election was vote for Nadar because of that fear factor, "you're throwing your vote away" they cried. Hey, Ralph has my vote this time because if I am going to throw my vote away, I'm throwing it on him!


I am on his exploratory email list and I'm wishing. We will take the Whitehouse in '08 because we can. Nadar knows that corporate power has corrupted our government and Gov. officials.


Gerry Spence saw this coming in the early 90's. I am reading his book "From Freedom to Slavery:The Rebirth of Tyranny in America". He says quite the same as Nadar. I consider them both of high intelligence.


With Limbaugh and Coulter unhappy with McCain and most of the progressives I know are unhappy with Hillary, Nadar is the choice, the hope for President; however, a majority of Democrats in the Senate and retaining the majority in the House, is just as much important as a president who will serve the people and not the corporations.


Americans need to not be whipped so easily and laying down their rights so eagerly, and stand up like true Americans. It is a sad day in America when I hear people settling for second or third best of the worst.

by shirley reese (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 278 comments) on Monday, February 4, 2008 at 2:42:31 AM
 


JUST A CONCERN CITIZEN AND LOVE MY COUNTRY GREW UP IN A SMALL FISHING TOWN IN NJ,BUT THE DAY I GOT MY DRIVERS LICENSE,SPENT MOST OF MY TIME EXPANSING MY MINE. LEARNED A LOT THE HARD WAY,BUT MOSTLY STREET SMART. AT 65 HAVE PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHO THE SNAKES ARE.
RICHARD SHADEJUST A CONCERN CITIZEN AND LOVE MY COUNTRY GREW UP IN A SMALL FISHING TOWN IN NJ,BUT THE DAY I GOT MY DRIVERS LICENSE,SPENT MOST OF MY TIME EXPANSING MY MINE. LEARNED A LOT THE HARD WAY,BUT MOSTLY STREET SMART. AT 65 HAVE PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHO THE SNAKES ARE.

2000 2004 2006 2008

DON'T THESE NUMBERS ALL LOOK THE SAME, AND IF THEY DON;T, WOULD SOMEONE TELL ME HOW THEY DIFFER. 300 MILLION GOOD PEOPLE BEING CONTROLED BY A HAND FULL OF EVIL MEN, "WHY," THE PEOPLE ARE DIVIDED, AND GLOBALISTLIKE IT THAT WAY, AND OUR SENATEORS AND CONGRESSMEN ARE NOT, ALL OUR GOVERNMENT WATCH EACH OTHERS BACKS RIGHT. THEY ARE ALL RIDEING ON THE SAME GRAVY TRAIN. SO NONE OF THEM ROCKS THE BOAT. SO THERE IS NO DIVIDE IN WASHINGTON RIGHT. BUT BY KEEPING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DIVIDED, THEY GLOBALIST CAN PLAY THIS ELECTION DECEPTION, AND WE CAN FIGHT AMONG ARE SELFS, WITCH CANDIDTE IS BETTER AND THEY ARE LAUGHING AT US. THE LEFT AND RIGHT IN THE PEOPLE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND UNITE, THIS THE ONLY WAY TO TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY FROM THESE EVIL GLOBALIST.

WHEN THERE IS A WAR OUR SOLDIERS FIGHT SIDE BY SIDE, LEFT RIGHT, WHITE BLACK, WITH ONE RESION TO WIN, NOW WE ARE NOT AT WAR WITH OUR GOVERNMENT, BUT INSIDE EACH OF US IS A FIGHT TO SAVE THIS GREAT CONSTITUTION REPBULIC, AND WE CAN'T WIN BEING DIVIDED. THE LEFT AND RIGHT DIVIDED HAS TO BE PUT ASIDE AS IN BATTLE. WHAT SAY YOU.

by RICHARD SHADE (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 460 comments) on Monday, February 4, 2008 at 6:03:44 AM
 


Don'pigeon hole me or sterotype me
pratliff94Don'pigeon hole me or sterotype me

Mike

Now here is what I hope, I hope Ron Paul runs a third party ticket to split the unified right wingers and maybe by a million to one chance Obama can be elected.

Ron Paul could be as much help to the Progressive cause as Ross Perot was in the '92 election in getting Bill Clinton elected and the Green Party was in getting George W. Bush elected in 2000.

Without Ron Paul coming to our help, get ready for another eight years of Republican rule with the left wingers whining on the outside looking in, "Oh, those terrible Fascists."

Phil.

by pratliff94 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 948 comments) on Monday, February 4, 2008 at 9:02:15 AM
 


I am a retired physicist and a progressive. I loathe GWB and the neocons. It is time to impeach him and purge the pseudo government of all neocons. Their ideas are treasonous.
Jerry LobdillI am a retired physicist and a progressive. I loathe GWB and the neocons. It is time to impeach him and purge the pseudo government of all neocons. Their ideas are treasonous.

Deck Chairs on the Titanic

Clinton/Obama or Republicans...there's no significant difference.

This battered, once great nation is doomed if Clinton or Obama or both are inevitable.  Mr. Germain says that what the next Congress does with the inevitable Democratic majority is an argument for another time.  I say if not now, then when is the time to debate what all of the new elected officials must do to put this nation on a course to survival? Well, the answer to that question seems always to be sometime in the future, but exactly when is not important enough to discuss. And so, once again, we who see the necessity for drastic course changes find ourselves looking at choices that assure the corporate structure of continuation of the status quo.

And he says that both Hillary and Obama are caretakers of the corporate structure, but they are inevitable and we should vote for them?

Why? Did it ever occur to those of Mr. Germain's mentality that empires have never survived and that we are following the classic course of  all empires to their destruction? Where does he suppose we are on that path? I don't believe we will survive another regime of corporate rule.

I will not vote for Clinton, Obama or any combination thereof.

As I see it now, our only real hope is for some cataclysmic event that changes the calculus and demands a truly  progressive nominee before the convention.

Otherwise we can kiss America the Beautiful goodbye.

by Jerry Lobdill (7 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 20 comments) on Monday, February 4, 2008 at 10:06:34 AM
 

 

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